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Ryane Clowe to Rangers for NYR 2013 2nd, FLA 2013 3rd, Conditional 2nd 2014

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I was half-joking when I said that. Actually more than half. Just expressing my disappointment in how little offense Clowe is going to add. But if Pyatt and Clowe had a more balls contest Clowe would win by 7, no question about that.
I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised. He's a good player, and one that we would have never been able to trade for picks if he was having a good season.

If we do make the playoffs, we are going to lean on guys like this. I love the deal.

He is the epitome of "Torts kind of guy". He's MUCH closer to Prust than Powe, that's for sure.

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He will fit right in with this team, 0 goals on the year so far

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He will fit right in with this team, 0 goals on the year so far
hes prob got more assists than the bottom 6 combined.

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I think they will be, he's only 1 year removed from a 41 goal season and GMs can rationalize many reasons why he's struggling this year, including "he can't play under Tortorella's system".

I'm not really sure how I feel about this deal. I think being scared about trading draft picks is dumb in general, but I don't know if it's worth it in this case. Guess it depends on how Clowe plays and how the Rangers do
Looking at the track record, I'm sure we'll be perfectly fine.

Avery, Prust, Clowe - all players I like, and all players that stir the **** pot. But the problem always too much **** in that pot that needs stirring.

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And he also provides offense. He's just one year removed from a 45 point season, and 2 years removed from a 62 point one.
And in the present he has 11 points. 0 ZERO goals. Let's leave the past in the past.

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He might end up like Dubsinky of 2012 and Avery of 2011: 1 goal, 100 assists. I would take that at this point.

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So, we trade draft picks for a player who has 0 goals in 28 games, to help us shore up our offensive depth? Seems like a good, sensible mood.

That said, I know when Clowe is on his game, he is a legitimate top-6 forward, but why move 2nd round draft picks (especially Florida's, which will be a high pick this year, probably 30-35 overall) for a player with 0 goals? Doesn't make sense.

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He will fit right in with this team, 0 goals on the year so far
You were beat to that joke a billion times already.

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And in the present he has 11 points. 0 ZERO goals. Let's leave the past in the past.
In 28 games, in a shortened season where he had a shoulder injury. Small sample size. I'm more keen on using the 4 season sample size over the 2 month one.

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I think you're going to be pleasantly surprised. He's a good player, and one that we would have never been able to trade for picks if he was having a good season.

If we do make the playoffs, we are going to lean on guys like this. I love the deal.

He is the epitome of "Torts kind of guy". He's MUCH closer to Prust than Powe, that's for sure.
I'm hoping to not have so much of a "Torts kind of coach" but for now I guess that helps

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Thanks for the input. Is there any way you can address his scoring a bit? What are your thoughts? I assume he's not declining yet, so it's more of a snakebitten thing?
I think he tried to play through a pretty bad shoulder injury. Looks like he's gotten over it, since he had a few really good shots on net recently and probably should've scored at least one goal. He's been really unlucky. A bad offsides call took away a breakaway goal vs EDM early in the season and he's been snakebit ever since. Wouldn't be surprised if a puck bounces in the net off his *** and he gets a goal in his first game for the Rangers.

He's going to go out and give it his all for his teammates - if that means fighting someone or picking up his physical game to keep opponents honest, he'll do that. Clowe much more than an enforcer which is the type of bs you guys will hear because of his bad luck with goals this year. He's a talented playmaker for sure. In his prime, he was outstanding along the walls and in the corners protecting the puck. I could see him still getting 50 or more points next year.

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Let's leave the past in the past.
That's ridiculous.

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So, we trade draft picks for a player who has 0 goals in 28 games, to help us shore up our offensive depth? Seems like a good, sensible mood.

That said, I know when Clowe is on his game, he is a legitimate top-6 forward, but why move 2nd round draft picks (especially Florida's, which will be a high pick this year, probably 30-35 overall) for a player with 0 goals? Doesn't make sense.
floridas pick is a 3rd which is more like 61-65.

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You were beat to that joke a billion times already.
Still has ways to go before it reaches "MOAR JAM" levels.

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Not sure how to feel about this deal. If he 'returns' to form and re-signs, then I think that surrendering the picks is worthwhile. If not, I'll be pretty pissed that we wasted the picks. A moderate risk/moderate reward situation.

This deal, however, makes me even more disappointed in the effort this season. I'm looking at our top 9 forwards and imagining the damage this team could do in the playoffs if even two-thirds of them played to their potential.

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I think he tried to play through a pretty bad shoulder injury. Looks like he's gotten over it, since he had a few really good shots on net recently and probably should've scored at least one goal. He's been really unlucky. A bad offsides call took away a breakaway goal vs EDM early in the season and he's been snakebit ever since. Wouldn't be surprised if a puck bounces in the net off his *** and he gets a goal in his first game for the Rangers.

He's going to go out and give it his all for his teammates - if that means fighting someone or picking up his physical game to keep opponents honest, he'll do that. Clowe much more than an enforcer which is the type if bs you guys will hear because of his bad luck with goals this year. He's a talented playmaker for sure. I could see him still getting 50 or more points next year.
Thanks a lot, man. If he can provide a mix of what Prust and Dubi brought, I'd be pretty happy. I contend that we miss those guys the most, and one player doing both (Prust's toughness with Dubi's 40+ points)? I'm cool with that.

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I smell a move coming, just as I'm sure everyone else does.

Asham, Powe, Boyle, Pyatt, Miller, Hagelin, Kreider, Zuccarello can't all fit in the Bottom 6.

Send down Kreider/Miller
Trade Boyle/Pyatt

That's the way it looks, no?

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Still has ways to go before it reaches "MOAR JAM" levels.
You mean to the level where it's so obnoxious it's only funny to the people that still post it?

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So, we trade draft picks for a player who has 0 goals in 28 games, to help us shore up our offensive depth? Seems like a good, sensible mood.

That said, I know when Clowe is on his game, he is a legitimate top-6 forward, but why move 2nd round draft picks (especially Florida's, which will be a high pick this year, probably 30-35 overall) for a player with 0 goals? Doesn't make sense.
Florida pick is a 3rd. Though your point stands. Closer to a late 2nd

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I'm sure GM's will be lining up to trade their first round pick for a player coming off an expensive massive underachieving season.

I'm not saying it's not gonna happen, it just seems a bit off to me. If we get a high pick it's only because we'll be taking on salary too.
If Clowe can garner 2-3 2nd round picks, and 41 year old Jagr can garner a 2nd round pick + prospects, and Roy can garner a 1st round pick, then you better believe a 40 goal scorer will pull in a 1st round pick +.

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And in the present he has 11 points. 0 ZERO goals. Let's leave the past in the past.
His past performance is indicative of his future potential performance. Just because he isn't playing great right now doesn't mean he can't turn it around: his past stats show evidence that he can be a productive offensive player.

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That's ridiculous.
It's actually not.

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I smell a move coming, just as I'm sure everyone else does.

Asham, Powe, Boyle, Pyatt, Miller, Hagelin, Kreider, Zuccarello can't all fit in the Bottom 6.

Send down Kreider/Miller
Trade Boyle/Pyatt

That's the way it looks, no?
I don't care what they do just keep Powe in the lineup for the love of God. He sits and the PK gives up a goal every single game until he comes back, and when he does they go 5 for 5. Not a coincidence.

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floridas pick is a 3rd which is more like 61-65.
Oh, thank God.

If we were giving up their 2nd, which I thought was initially our asset, it wouldn't have made sense to give up a 30-35 overall pick for him.

It's not that bad of a deal, still don't see why we are moving potential in draft picks for a player who has 0 goals. If he was Clowe from the last four seasons, I'd say it's a steal and he'd definitely help this team.

Clowe this season though, is a different story. I was hoping the team would actually pick up a player who is putting the puck in the net this season.

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Lets complain about the lost draft picks after the draft in June. Now is not the time. There is plenty of time to recoup those lost assets.

Pretty sure this deal was made after talking to Clowes agent and feeling confident that he will be resigned.

He is an important piece along the wall and in front of the net that will get top six minutes and stabilizes the look of our top 3 lines.

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