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Ryane Clowe to Rangers for NYR 2013 2nd, FLA 2013 3rd, Conditional 2nd 2014

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I think Clowe could be useful, he's a tough SOB. But is he worth 3 draft picks anymore than Prust was worth all the money he got?

Like I said, good GM's would not have to pay such a price, just develop their own.
That's hysterical.

Pittsburgh got a good GM? Yeah, they picked up Iginla for players and a 1st rounder.
How about Boston's GM? Yup, Jagr for a 1st and some prospects
How about LA's GM? Carter for a 1st rounder and Jack Johnson
Blackhawks? Acquired 5 players prior to the trade deadline in Feb/Mar.

Know what else they all have in common? They've all won a cup recently.

As far as Prust - love the guy, but he's not in the same league as Clowe.

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Couldn't have said it better myself. He's not Lucic, but he's just as tough, and has similar hands with the puck. I'm very happy with this pick up.

Due to the time zone I live in, West games are not late and I've seen him enough that I always wanted him on the Rangers.
Me as well.

Especially before we had Prust. And now that's Prust's gone? Yeah I'm even more glad we got him.

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You have a better shot by picking that high, but I don't like to lose so many picks in one draft, especially that high. Like I pointed out, we lost 7 assets, high picks or prospects that were used with high picks for two players. Sounds like moves a team that is close to competing for a Cup make. Those teams can afford to take a draft or two off.
You also have a better chance by taking more chances (i.e. more picks).

I hate the idea of the conditional second because it almost de-incitvizes the Rangers to sign him (to me at least).

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No way Slats signs him for that. Especially after hardballing Prust the way he did (and rightfully so).

4 mil per, Max.
5 year, 20 mil is 4 mil per. And Clowe isn't Prust. He's better offensively. And if he's aiming to resign him, that means he's moving Gabby and freeing up cap space. So I could definitely see Sather pulling a bad contract out of his ass.

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5 year, 20 mil is 4 mil per. And Clowe isn't Prust. He's better offensively. I could see Sather pulling a bad contract out of his ass.
I was talking about the 5 year 25 mil, and even more so the ones hinting at even more money.

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Why does this sound so familiar?
Your right to be skeptical. The fact is that the Rangers need what Clowe can bring. Question is can he still bring it? I sure hope so. I'd love to be thoroughly impressed by him.

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You have a better shot by picking that high, but I don't like to lose so many picks in one draft, especially that high. Like I pointed out, we lost 7 assets, high picks or prospects that were used with high picks for two players. Sounds like moves a team that is close to competing for a Cup make. Those teams can afford to take a draft or two off.

Funny, Clowe was a late round pick himself. 2001 draft had more than a few late round gems. In the last few years teams are pulling some of their best prospects from the 5th to 7th round. The more picks you have the better the chances.
Once we made the Nash trade it was clear the franchise entered "win now" mode. That's one of the reasons I wasn't thrilled with the deal, I wanted to be the Red Wings. At this point though, this looks like the sort of deal that makes all kinds of sense for this team.

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I think we over-paid, but I also think there's a chance we win this trade in the end.

At the very least, he gives us much needed toughness and a *chance* at some more secondary scoring.

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Why does this sound so familiar?
If you're referring to Gaborik, I somewhat agree, although I think Gaborik is healthy where Clowe might be favoring his shoulder

I don't think Sather is done, at least in terms of getting assets to replace what he just lost.

Its a decent risk. We lost Antropov and Morris for nothing but those trades helped them into the playoffs. If Clowe can do that, I'm all for it.

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Once we made the Nash trade it was clear the franchise entered "win now" mode. That's one of the reasons I wasn't thrilled with the deal, I wanted to be the Red Wings. At this point though, this looks like the sort of deal that makes all kinds of sense for this team.
I want to be the Red Wings too...aren't they in win now mode every year?

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I want to be the Red Wings too...aren't they in win now mode every year?
Except this year

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We have the pieces we need:
-Punishing power forward
-high scoring sniper
-Rick Nash (enough said)
-Super solid D
-Elite goalie
-A captain that bleeds blue
-And some good extras.

Not sure why we are where we are right now

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God I'm excited to see this guy play for us. Lord knows we have no identity or sense of sticking up for each other on this team.

Bring back Haley. Let the grit and energy begin. Time to go to war boys.

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I want to be the Red Wings too...aren't they in win now mode every year?
No. Absolutely not. They conserve and manage their prospects, are careful about giving up tons of picks, and draft extremely well compared to just about any GM/scouting team that is out there. They make moves that compliment the team, but they don't throw their future away for the sake of winning in one year; they've never done that. They have historically given up a few 1st rounds, but are able to make up for that by drafting a **** ton of late round gems.

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We have the pieces we need:
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-Rick Nash (enough said)
-Super solid D
-Elite goalie
-A captain that bleeds blue
-And some good extras.

Not sure why we are where we are right now
Clown coach all the players hate?

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We have the pieces we need:
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-Rick Nash (enough said)
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-Elite goalie
-A captain that bleeds blue
-And some good extras.

Not sure why we are where we are right now
- Suspect coach and system

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We have the pieces we need:
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-Rick Nash (enough said)
-Super solid D
-Elite goalie
-A captain that bleeds blue
-And some good extras.

Not sure why we are where we are right now
Lack of team identity, underperforming players that need to be performing, coach who makes boneheaded decisions....

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That's hysterical.

Pittsburgh got a good GM? Yeah, they picked up Iginla for players and a 1st rounder.
How about Boston's GM? Yup, Jagr for a 1st and some prospects
How about LA's GM? Carter for a 1st rounder and Jack Johnson
Blackhawks? Acquired 5 players prior to the trade deadline in Feb/Mar.

Know what else they all have in common? They've all won a cup recently.

As far as Prust - love the guy, but he's not in the same league as Clowe.
You just proved my point. Those teams have had to get RID OF GOOD PLAYERS in the last year cause of their depth ! We got rid of 7 assets for two players and have nowhere near the depth and talent those teams have. They SHOULD be making these kind of moves, we can barely develop one forward every 4 years.

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You also have a better chance by taking more chances (i.e. more picks).

I hate the idea of the conditional second because it almost de-incitvizes the Rangers to sign him (to me at least).
Well said, truth.

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Once we made the Nash trade it was clear the franchise entered "win now" mode. That's one of the reasons I wasn't thrilled with the deal, I wanted to be the Red Wings. At this point though, this looks like the sort of deal that makes all kinds of sense for this team.
On paper every one of our moves makes sense going back to when Cigar first got here. Brad Richards will infinitely make the PP better !

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You also have a better chance by taking more chances (i.e. more picks).

I hate the idea of the conditional second because it almost de-incitvizes the Rangers to sign him (to me at least).
I actually like that it de-incentivises resigning him, it helps balance out the feeling that they NEED to in order to have utilized the assets that they gave up for him. In a way it makes it fair, if he plays well enough they will want to resign him despite the pick, and if he doesn't the feeling of loss won't overcome them(they will be saving themselves a 2nd).

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It's now clear that a lot of folks here have no idea what they are talking about. Aside from in instant power play remedy, a Clowe type player is EXACTLY what this team was lacking! Good move. That is all.u

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On paper every one of our moves makes sense going back to when Cigar first got here. Brad Richards will infinitely make the PP better !
He's also great in shootouts

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This is from NHL on my facebook feed...great stat.
"Clowe = Playoff Grit. He exits San Jose ranked 3rd all-time in franchise playoff scoring (45 pts in 68 playoff games) and as their all-time leader in playoff penalty minutes (97 PIMs)."

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-And some good extras.
What might they be?

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