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You just proved my point. Those teams have had to get RID OF GOOD PLAYERS in the last year cause of their depth ! We got rid of 7 assets for two players and have nowhere near the depth and talent those teams have. They SHOULD be making these kind of moves, we can barely develop one forward every 4 years.
Seven assets for two players? Are we talking Nash & Clowe? AA, Dubi, Erixon, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd?

Erixon, so far, = borderline NHL'er
Dubi/AA = 2nd/3rd line players
4 draft picks = unknown asset

Nash = elite top 10/15 player in the league
Clowe = top six forward

The immediate effect here, for a NYR team that "experts" thought were going to be a Stanley Cup competitor (top 4, I'll say) is that we've given up two 2nd/3rd line players and a 6/7th "D" for a top line player and 2nd line player. Those are the immediate effects of these two trades. This doesn't significantly weaken the current team, in fact, it does quite the opposite. Why is the chemistry not great? Why aren't they scoring? Don't know. But these two moves, in the immediate short term (1-3 years) absolutely IMPROVED this team from nearly any perspective you want to take.

How can you even argue that Nash/Clowe isn't > Dubi/AA/Erixon? It's not even close.

Lundqvist is in his early 30's. The year after next season we have very few players signed. The Rangers are obviously playing for this year and for next and feel this is their window.

Furthermore, the assets that we've lost can be recovered via trading Gaborik for picks or other trades of that nature.

Your crystal ball can't tell me what those four picks will evolve into - it could be four NHL players or it could be NO NHL players. I've already shown you plenty of 2nd and 3rd rounders that we've picked that barely sniffed the NHL - most played 1 game or less and more of them played no NHL games at all.

Short term, they were good deals. If we win the Cup or make the Finals, it was a good deal no matter what.

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I'd still like to move either boyle and/or pyatt for a more capable defenseman than eminger/hamrlik but that might be a tall order.
I'd keep Boyle over Pyatt, in fact I don't mind Boyle sticking around at all. He hits plenty, good on PK, good on faceoffs.

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It's now clear that a lot of folks here have no idea what they are talking about. Aside from in instant power play remedy, a Clowe type player is EXACTLY what this team was lacking! Good move. That is all.u
They're giddy about the penalty prone smurf but hate this trade lmao. Clueless!

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I am thrilled about this move. Yeah there's the dinged up shoulder, but he's a pretty solid 3rd even 2nd line talent that is as tough as they come.

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and then when Gaborik is gone and Torts has "his players"and we don't win the cup again, whats gonna be his excuse then?
Then it'll be Nash. Torts will keep killing snipers until he's gone or we win the Cup.

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Gaborik, I think just isn't gonna play for Torts anymore. One of them has to go, and if speculation true, it's probably Gaborik at the draft.

But I was never a Torts fan, not even last year.
Not being sarcastic or rude, but why?

I like him mainly because he gave this team balls. As a younger fan (early 20s), I can count on a few fingers how many teams we've had that we're tough to play against. He gave us an identity.

He's not a perfect coach, but I like and respect him.

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if it wasnt last year or the year before this board was begging slats to trade dubi for Clowe, or screaming we need clowe.. now we get him and its like oh **** this isnt good.. this team is soft, we need grit and toughness and he has a nitch for getting big time players going as well as young guys going (logan c.) hes the perfect thing we need and will be a short term and long term solution to our softness and will pitch in offense and stand up for teammates!! Im pumped!!! an older wiser dubi, i am all for it!!

hes not a rental and will be resigned! Ask most shark fans they're upset hes gone!

Also we will recoup these picks no worries..slats always makes crazy moves and will restock those picks.. if we have gabs and richards going with the addition of clowe we are a dangerous team, with how our other fwds are playing!!!!

imagine we could get Ott or torres we'll be set!

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You're right. Our entire team is crap. If we only had our precious 2nd round draft picks everything would be swell!
A second round pick could be the team's best forward right now. If its not him, then a sound round pick was a huge piece in getting the team's best forward.

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Not really down with Clowe, never was, but I guess we'll see how he does.

I have a feeling Sather probably gets a pick back before or at the draft now.

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Seriously.

This thread has been difficult to read. Can't believe people are mad at this. We're clamoring for a top-6 winger, we're clamoring for toughness, and we get both - now we're mad? Giving up the picks sucks, and, yeah, the guy hasn't scored this season. He has the past 4 seasons, though.

Besides, I'm pretty sure that Gaborik is going to be traded at the draft for picks. Which is why I'm not worrying about this move at all.
Yeah... This move with out a doubt spells the end for Gaborik. We have 3 top 6 RWs. One has to go. Hagelin isn't a 1st line LW but could be a very good 2nd line LW. Zucc can also be a decent 2nd line LW. His skating has improved tremendously.

Gaborik for either a 1st or 2 2nds + prospect at the draft with us eating a 1 mil of his cap space.

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I swore Brad Richards was the last player I put my faith in to being brought to NY to change this, or do that, or improve something. I was pretty high on Nash, but considering his age and resume, it's hard not to have faith in him. Clowe on the other hand, needs to prove this isn't just another Sather move we all end up hating.

Guess we'll see, but I'm not banking on him becoming a 50 point player anytime soon.
I'd be happy with it if he brings a physical, hard-working game, and only puts up what he did last season (45 pts). That is very solid and well worth it in my mind. There are only 95 forwards in the league who put up 50 pts or more last season. I'll say I'm worried about his age/injury this season. But he's not a guy that has had injury problems his entire career - if I'm remembering correctly, his last major injury issue was in 2007 with some knee/leg injury. So maybe I'm being optimistic, but I don't think the fall off this season carries over to next if he gets healthy.

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Seven assets for two players? Are we talking Nash & Clowe? AA, Dubi, Erixon, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd?

Erixon, so far, = borderline NHL'er
Dubi/AA = 2nd/3rd line players
4 draft picks = unknown asset

Nash = elite top 10/15 player in the league
Clowe = top six forward

The immediate effect here, for a NYR team that "experts" thought were going to be a Stanley Cup competitor (top 4, I'll say) is that we've given up two 2nd/3rd line players and a 6/7th "D" for a top line player and 2nd line player. Those are the immediate effects of these two trades. This doesn't significantly weaken the current team, in fact, it does quite the opposite. Why is the chemistry not great? Why aren't they scoring? Don't know. But these two moves, in the immediate short term (1-3 years) absolutely IMPROVED this team from nearly any perspective you want to take.

How can you even argue that Nash/Clowe isn't > Dubi/AA/Erixon? It's not even close.

Lundqvist is in his early 30's. The year after next season we have very few players signed. The Rangers are obviously playing for this year and for next and feel this is their window.

Furthermore, the assets that we've lost can be recovered via trading Gaborik for picks or other trades of that nature.

Your crystal ball can't tell me what those four picks will evolve into - it could be four NHL players or it could be NO NHL players. I've already shown you plenty of 2nd and 3rd rounders that we've picked that barely sniffed the NHL - most played 1 game or less and more of them played no NHL games at all.

Short term, they were good deals. If we win the Cup or make the Finals, it was a good deal no matter what.

great post!! You make sense for the other 90% on this board that has no clue wtf is going on!

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Oh stop being so negative, don't you know the past means nothing, he could return to form !

How many times have you heard that as a Ranger fan?

Shocking they didn't want our valuable assets on the farm huh?
Also SBOB is a negative *******, he is also right more often than not. I have to be inclined to agree with him here.

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Brilliant move. Usually the players Sather brings in start at 20 or 30 goals a year and take a year or two to get down to zero. Look at all the time he saved.

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Clowe is a Ryan Callahan Jr. I mean, His initials are even Ryane. C

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I actually agree with going after Clowe, but disagree with your rationale here. If this is just a short term move to help them eek into the playoffs this year, I'll be disappointed and think Sather has reverted to being a dumbass. On the other hand, if Sather has plans to keep him on for a few years, and this was just to get him here on the cheap and make sure another team didn't gobble him up, then I'm happy (as long as no ridiculous contracts are given out).
The goal is to win the Cup. Just get into the playoffs and see what happens.

Kings, Flyers, Habs, and Devils are all lower seeds since 2010 who reached the CF.

Rangers are a better team because of this trade.

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Seems like a typical Sather move to me. Low risk, high reward. If he puts it together, he'll be a good pickup. If he doesn't, status quo.

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Not being sarcastic or rude, but why?

I like him mainly because he gave this team balls. As a younger fan (early 20s), I can count on a few fingers how many teams we've had that we're tough to play against. He gave us an identity.

He's not a perfect coach, but I like and respect him.
I think his lineups are ridiculous (for example, I'll bet anything Powe is out to make room for Clowe even though Powe has clearly outplayed Pyatt and is vital to the penalty kill)

He doesn't know how to work with scorers. He's clashed with almost every offensively gifted player he's ever had. He bullies Kreider, he was arguing with Gaborik in Montreal (after putting him on the 4th line) and he stripped the C from Vinny in Tampa. He said himself he doesn't coach offense.

And most of all, I think he's a tyrant. I feel like he expects everyone on the roster to play he game despite their unique abilities. McDonagh is a skater, he shouldn't be blocking shots.

And the system, don't get me started. Let's stand in front of a Vezina winning goaltender trying to block shots and make sure he can't see. It's so logical it hurts.

I appreciate that he's brought a tough identity, but beyond that, there's not much I like about him.

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Then it'll be Nash. Torts will keep killing snipers until he's gone or we win the Cup.
Nash isn't a sniper. Problem solved.

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Great move. I've loved Clowe since the 10-11 playoffs and have wanted him. Now if we get a Defenseman it will be a GREAT deadline, and the moves could help us move up in the standings. I would also be happy to add a player like Tootoo or Torres or Gordon, but that'd be gravy

Does Boyle/Pyatt, Gilroy, pick for Tootoo and Cole work cap wise?

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Nash isn't a sniper. Problem solved.
Oh excuse me, power forward.

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I like Clowe. I hope he can come here and make a difference.

What do you guys see the lines as being? What about any more moves before the deadline.

With the cap going down next year, if Clowe does well and is to be resigned, that means either Gabby is traded or Richie is bought out. I don't like that because the plan was to always have at least 2 years with Gabby+Richie+Nasher.

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Seems like a typical Sather move to me. Low risk, high reward. If he puts it together, he'll be a good pickup. If he doesn't, status quo.
I'd actually call this a "high risk, high reward" move. If things don't work out, we completely waste 3 decent draft picks.

If things do work out, it could be a massive steal.

It's basically a gamble on Clowe's future offensive productivity, which has a pretty large variance looking at this year compared to past seasons, as well as injury concerns.

I hope it works out because I really like Clowe on paper.

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Very high price to pay. I'm not thrilled about it, and think it's an extremely risky move, but I like Clowe as a player. If he finds a scoring touch, maybe it'll be a good move. He's like a combination of Dubinsky and Prust with higher offensive upside than Dubinsky. But I hate giving up on a deep draft.

Makes you think they'll be expecting a first for Gaborik.

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