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04-02-2013, 07:22 PM
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You're right. Our entire team is crap. If we only had our precious 2nd round draft picks everything would be swell!
Don't forget Dubinsky... and Anisimov. Our drafting since 2003 has been really good despite some belief.

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I like Clowe. I hope he can come here and make a difference.

What do you guys see the lines as being? What about any more moves before the deadline.

With the cap going down next year, if Clowe does well and is to be resigned, that means either Gabby is traded or Richie is bought out. I don't like that because the plan was to always have at least 2 years with Gabby+Richie+Nasher.
moving Gaborik to resign 0 goals clowe is a brilliant idea.

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Very high price to pay. I'm not thrilled about it, and think it's an extremely risky move, but I like Clowe as a player. If he finds a scoring touch, maybe it'll be a good move. He's like a combination of Dubinsky and Prust with higher offensive upside than Dubinsky. But I hate giving up on a deep draft.

Makes you think they'll be expecting a first for Gaborik.
Jagr and Iginla are fossils and got 1st's. If Gaborik doesn't get a 1st I'll eat my hats. All of them. And I like hats, I have alot of hats.

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Hate this deal. We should be stockpiling picks this year not giving them away for a guy who has done nothing recently. Terrible trade.

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Brilliant move. Usually the players Sather brings in start at 20 or 30 goals a year and take a year or two to get down to zero. Look at all the time he saved.
I lol'd.

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Hate this deal. We should be stockpiling picks this year not giving them away for a guy who has done nothing recently. Terrible trade.
But we're in win now mode, can't you tell by us being in 8th place?

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Hate this deal. We should be stockpiling picks this year not giving them away for a guy who has done nothing recently. Terrible trade.
Stockpiling picks? What aspiring contenders stock pile picks? Our cup window is now whether we like it or not.

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Very high price to pay. I'm not thrilled about it, and think it's an extremely risky move, but I like Clowe as a player. If he finds a scoring touch, maybe it'll be a good move. He's like a combination of Dubinsky and Prust with higher offensive upside than Dubinsky. But I hate giving up on a deep draft.

Makes you think they'll be expecting a first for Gaborik.
A 2nd, a 3rd and either a 5th or another 2nd is "very high"?

What would you think is fair at the deadline for a top 6 forward?

Douglas Murray got back two 2nd round picks. Brendan Morrow got back a prospect with top 4 D potential. IDK what you guys think we're supposed to pay for players like this.

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I can not wait to bump this thread when Clowe becomes a fan favorite.

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Stockpiling picks? What aspiring contenders stock pile picks? Our cup window is now whether we like it or not.
Aspiring Contender? Is that really what we are as currently constructed?

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I'd actually call this a "high risk, high reward" move. If things don't work out, we completely waste 3 decent draft picks.

If things do work out, it could be a massive steal.

It's basically a gamble on Clowe's future offensive productivity, which has a pretty large variance looking at this year compared to past seasons, as well as injury concerns.

I hope it works out because I really like Clowe on paper.
Fair enough. The draft this year is pretty 'meh' to me. I'd much rather give up a few so-so picks and see some playoff hockey.

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I can not wait to bump this thread when Clowe becomes a fan favorite.
I'm gonna really like him from day 1, but I'll always wonder if he was really worth what we gave.

I guess time will tell.

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I can not wait to bump this thread when Clowe becomes a fan favorite.
so was Dubinsky.... didn't mean he was any good.. he couldn't score either.

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Hate this deal. We should be stockpiling picks this year not giving them away for a guy who has done nothing recently. Terrible trade.
Yeah! Because I want to be like the Oilers and Islanders and have tons of picks and never make the damned playoffs!

216 points in the four years before this = "done nothing recently". This board is too much.

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But we're in win now mode, can't you tell by us being in 8th place?
Im on board with you. Anyone fooling themselves into thinking we can compete with the Bostons, Chicagos, Pittsburghs of the world this year are just fooling themselves. Why not dump the useless we have on our team ie: Boyle, Pyatt, get some picks back that have value in a deep draft, and start over with a full season. This is just a foolish move.

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Im on board with you. Anyone fooling themselves into thinking we can compete with the Bostons, Chicagos, Pittsburghs of the world this year are just fooling themselves. Why not dump the useless we have on our team ie: Boyle, Pyatt, get some picks back that have value in a deep draft, and start over with a full season. This is just a foolish move.
What place was LA in when they won the Cup last year? Take your time...

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Stepan
Staal
Hagelin
Del Zotto
Kreider
Miller
Lundqvist
Half that list has done nothing in this league and the other half I'd take Pa Parenteau over (not henrik obv). lol

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A 2nd, a 3rd and either a 5th or another 2nd is "very high"?

What would you think is fair at the deadline for a top 6 forward?

Douglas Murray got back two 2nd round picks. Brendan Morrow got back a prospect with top 4 D potential. IDK what you guys think we're supposed to pay for players like this.
In what world is a player with 0 goals a top 6 forward?

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I can not wait to bump this thread when Clowe becomes a fan favorite.
Me too

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A second round pick could be the team's best forward right now. If its not him, then a sound round pick was a huge piece in getting the team's best forward.
We also have top players who were drafted in Rounds 4 and 6. We draft in those rounds in 2013.

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What place was LA in when they won the Cup last year? Take your time...
LA got rid of their idiot coach. Us? Not so much.

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Jagr and Iginla are fossils and got 1st's. If Gaborik doesn't get a 1st I'll eat my hats. All of them. And I like hats, I have alot of hats.
Right, but I meant that in the sense that he will 99% be gone. But we all knew that.

I'm curious which forwards are out.

Richards, Nash, Gaborik, Callahan, Hagelin, Zuccarello, Stepan, Boyle, Pyatt, Kreider, Miller, Fast, Clowe, Powe, Asham. That's 15 forwards. Let's assume they scratch one and send down Fast. Still have 13. I'm almost positive one of Pyatt or Boyle will be moved, and Miller or Kreider could also be on their way down.

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What place was LA in when they won the Cup last year? Take your time...
You truly honestly believe we have the components that LA had last year to make that kind of a run against the powerhouses in the league this year? I mean if you do, more power to you, but based on what Ive seen this year Im more than skeptical.

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Seven assets for two players? Are we talking Nash & Clowe? AA, Dubi, Erixon, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 3rd?

Erixon, so far, = borderline NHL'er
Dubi/AA = 2nd/3rd line players
4 draft picks = unknown asset

Nash = elite top 10/15 player in the league
Clowe = top six forward
First let me say, I loved the Nash trade. Still do and would make the same trade anyday of the week. But, to me this is short-sighted. Assets are assets. And that's what Bluenote was saying.

Erixon is not a borderline NHLer. He may not be the player he projected to be, but he's a useful piece.

If Dubi and AA are second/third line players and Clowe is a top six forward, that's still two assets to one. And Dubi and AA have scored this season.

4 draft picks are unknown. But the more picks you have, the better chance you find success.

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The immediate effect here, for a NYR team that "experts" thought were going to be a Stanley Cup competitor (top 4, I'll say) is that we've given up two 2nd/3rd line players and a 6/7th "D" for a top line player and 2nd line player. Those are the immediate effects of these two trades. This doesn't significantly weaken the current team, in fact, it does quite the opposite. Why is the chemistry not great? Why aren't they scoring? Don't know. But these two moves, in the immediate short term (1-3 years) absolutely IMPROVED this team from nearly any perspective you want to take.
Experts might have thought the Rangers were Cup contenders. The play on the ice showed otherwise. And for a team that could miss the playoffs to enter the draft (at present) without a 1st or 2nd, it's a scary proposition for those of us who lived through Lee Falardeau.

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How can you even argue that Nash/Clowe isn't > Dubi/AA/Erixon? It's not even close.
In a vacuum, maybe. But when you add in the picks and assets, the picture changes.

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Lundqvist is in his early 30's. The year after next season we have very few players signed. The Rangers are obviously playing for this year and for next and feel this is their window.
Does adding a guy who has toughness and no goals really help this team go for it?

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Furthermore, the assets that we've lost can be recovered via trading Gaborik for picks or other trades of that nature.
Maybe, but until they are, it's a loss. And this is a deep draft (from what I've heard)

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Your crystal ball can't tell me what those four picks will evolve into - it could be four NHL players or it could be NO NHL players. I've already shown you plenty of 2nd and 3rd rounders that we've picked that barely sniffed the NHL - most played 1 game or less and more of them played no NHL games at all.
By that rational, the Rangers should trade all their picks for a fourth liner. Or that Matt Gilroy is worth more than a first round pick.

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Short term, they were good deals. If we win the Cup or make the Finals, it was a good deal no matter what.
Looking short-term was the reason for NYR 1998-2004.

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In what world is a player with 0 goals a top 6 forward?
In what world is a top 6 forward who has produced for years judged by a 28 game stretch? There was a point where Wayne Gretzky didn't score a goal for 15 straight games. Guess he sucks, too. At least Clowe can fight and play physically.

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