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04-02-2013, 07:34 PM
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I have no idea how people want to resign Clowe. I'm fine getting him for a rental, but resigning him at 4M?
Would you take Clowe over Boyle + Pyatt? I would.

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Would you take Clowe over Boyle + Pyatt? I would.
sure if we can move both of them and even out the salary? works for me.

I'm talking about RYAN CLOWE being the reason we have to move Gaborik.. Thats a ****ing awful idea if Ive ever seen one.

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It would be ridiculous, and extreeeeemely tight, and would definitely require relying on a couple rookies and Sather working pure Magic on our RFA's contracts (which really besides Stepan, I think they'll get less than any of us really expect) but I think you could fit Clowe in at about 3.5 Million and still retain Gaborik for next season.

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McBain is 25. He is not some blue chip prospect anymore. I don't know where you're getting this idea that girardi would be the asking price. Girardi is a proven NHL defenseman. Carolina just acquired Bergeron and activated Sanguinetti off IR. McBain is the odd man out.

I also don;t know where you are getting this idea that Babchuk is better than McBain in all facets of the game other than skating. I think that "bomb of a shot" is clouding your judgement. Babchuk is very mediocre. He doesn't show up some nights. McBain holds more value than Babchuk. He closes off players, similar in the way McDonagh can. He has offensive ability and he is good positionally. I'll take McBain.
Yeah. Two sucky defensive defenders they activated. Now they look for a solid defensive defender.
Girardi or he will get traded to another team that is in need of a offensive defender, which can offer a stay-at-home roster player for Carolina.

Babchuk has one of the best first passes in the game today. Solid defensively.
Great passer and a bomb for a shot.
38 points in 99 games and a +18 plus/minus in Calgary.

I think he would thrive in a better team like Rangers.
Hell, you would even get him for a 5th round pick lol.

But it's just my opinion I just loved his play in Carolina a couple of years ago...

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sure if we can move both of them and even out the salary? works for me.

I'm talking about RYAN CLOWE being the reason we have to move Gaborik.. Thats a ****ing awful idea if Ive ever seen one.
Gaborik should be moved anyways. That's not a Ryane Clowe thing. That's Rick Nash vs Marian Gaborik.

Gaborik,was going to be moved anyways. Now they have an actual top 6 Power forward LW

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Yeah. Two sucky defensive defenders they activated. Now they look for a solid defensive defender.
Girardi or he will get traded to another team that is in need of a offensive defender, which can offer a stay-at-home roster player for Carolina.

Babchuk has one of the best first passes in the game today. Solid defensively.
Great passer and a bomb for a shot.
38 points in 99 games and a +18 plus/minus in Calgary.

I think he would thrive in a better team like Rangers.
Hell, you would even get him for a 5th round pick lol.

But it's just my opinion I just loved his play in Carolina a couple of years ago...
When Flames fans are telling you he sucks what else do you want?

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04-02-2013, 07:40 PM
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You people have such a short memory wanting to dump Gaborik for nothing. The guy is our best scorer. Even this year, he "only" has 9 goals...so what? That's bad? How about the savior Rick Nash who is good for 2-3 lazy penalties a game? He "only" has 13 and he's on a hot-streak. If this is Gaborik's cold-streak, I honestly can't wait for him to start getting hot to refresh everyone's memory he scored about 90 points as a RW sniper with us. Who else can do that as a winger? Kovalchuk? Maybe, Vanek? not quite, Nash? lol nope, he's scored 79 points in 2009 and that's his career high. He's never even scored 42 goals in his CAREER and Gaborik scored 42 only last year...and the year when he scored 86 points. Nash also makes $300,000 more than Gaborik for less production and more penalties. Just think about that for a moment. I'm a huge Nash fan as well, but if he didn't dangle and wasn't that big, I'm sure most of you would be thinking that trading Gaborik would be the wrong idea. I can almost guarantee next year he will not only outscore Nash, but will score 37-45 goals next year.
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You people have such a short memory wanting to dump Gaborik for nothing. The guy is our best scorer. Even this year, he "only" has 9 goals...so what? That's bad? How about the savior Rick Nash who is good for 2-3 lazy penalties a game? He "only" has 13 and he's on a hot-streak. If this is Gaborik's cold-streak, I honestly can't wait for him to start getting hot to refresh everyone's memory he scored about 90 points as a RW sniper with us. Who else can do that as a winger? Kovalchuk? Maybe, Vanek? not quite, Nash? lol nope, he's scored 79 points in 2009 and that's his career high. He's never even scored 42 goals in his CAREER and Gaborik scored 42 only last year...and the year when he scored 86 points. Nash also makes $300,000 more than Gaborik for less production and more penalties. Just think about that for a moment. I'm a huge Nash fan as well, but if he didn't dangle and wasn't that big, I'm sure most of you would be thinking that trading Gaborik would be the wrong idea. I can almost guarantee next year he will not only outscore Nash, but will score 37-45 goals next year.
I don't necessarily disagree, but there's more to it than this IMO. He was injured in the off season and now he's having his worst season in a long time, plus he's a UFA in a year and the team needs to sign other players. I wouldn't be quick to trade him but it's not as simple as a 40 goal scorer having a down year.

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Gaborik should be moved anyways. That's not a Ryane Clowe thing. That's Rick Nash vs Marian Gaborik.

Gaborik,was going to be moved anyways. Now they have an actual top 6 Power forward LW
How is Nash the reason Gaborik is/was going to be moved when they got him to put WITH Gaborik and take a run at the cup the next 2 years? We had money to keep Gabby and resign all our RFAs.. we dont 'know because of a guy with zero goals.

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and since we now *have* to trade Gaborik because of cap reasons if Clowe is resigned, what makes anyone think we'll get the same amount in a deal back? Rangers *have* to get rid of him, teams will know this.

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How is Nash the reason Gaborik is/was going to be moved when they got him to put WITH Gaborik and take a run at the cup the next 2 years? We had money to keep Gabby and resign all our RFAs.. we dont 'know because of a guy with zero goals.
They needed the room and they weren't going to resign him anyways. They should move him to replenish the system. They will get a good package for him. 1st + easily which will make people forget what they have up.

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“@AGrossRecord: #NYR GM Glen Sather statement on Clowe trade: "“He is a unique combination of size, skill and toughness...."”

“@AGrossRecord: More Sather: "...“His strong leadership and character make him a tremendous addition to our organization on and off the ice.””

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and since we now *have* to trade Gaborik because of cap reasons if Clowe is resigned, what makes anyone think we'll get the same amount in a deal back? Rangers *have* to get rid of him, teams will know this.
Because multiple teams will want him?

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I am not a cap expert, can somebody run the numbers?
Let's assume Clowe gets 4M

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I love how the Gaborik fanboys are so sure he's still elite and will return to 40-goal territory next season, but think Clowe's one bad year means he's finished and sucks.

Gotta love Ranger fans.

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I am not a cap expert, can somebody run the numbers?
Let's assume Clowe gets 4M
with Hags getting 2.5, Stepan getting 3.5, and Mcdonagh getting 4, then with Clowe and gaborik, Rangers are 3M over the cap for next year.

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Uh oh, Pitkanen just went HARD into the boards in Carolina, carried off the ice. They might not be able to trade Mcbain anymore.

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I love how the Gaborik fanboys are so sure he's still elite and will return to 40-goal territory next season, but think Clowe's one bad year means he's finished and sucks.

Gotta love Ranger fans.
ok, lets say both return to their form.. Gaborik >>>>>>>> Clowe.

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with Hags getting 2.5, Stepan getting 3.5, and Mcdonagh getting 4, then with Clowe and gaborik, Rangers are 3M over the cap for next year.
With Boyle and Pyatt?

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With Boyle and Pyatt?
Yeah with Boyle and Pyatt.. I guess if we moved both of them for picks/prospects they might be able to do it. That frees up over 3.5M moving those 2.

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Not to mention they will have to give Zucc a raise if they want to bring him back.

CapGeek has us at 11,610,000 available for next year. Have to sign Hagelin, McDonagh, Stepan. Sign Clowe? Figure out what to offer Zucc and Sauer?

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Uh oh, Pitkanen just went HARD into the boards in Carolina, carried off the ice. They might not be able to trade Mcbain anymore.
Great.
My 2 targets were Demers (Injured) and now McBain (injury replacement).

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ok, lets say both return to their form.. Gaborik >>>>>>>> Clowe.
Difference is that Clowe has an effect on the game if he doesn't score. Gaborik? Not so much. Gaborik can also return very good assets. They won't resign him. Gaborik,at 33, 34, 35, 36? Huge pass.

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and since we now *have* to trade Gaborik because of cap reasons if Clowe is resigned, what makes anyone think we'll get the same amount in a deal back? Rangers *have* to get rid of him, teams will know this.
they dont have to trade Gaborik but they will trade Gaborik...........teams will line up to get him because the UFA list stinks

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How is Nash the reason Gaborik is/was going to be moved when they got him to put WITH Gaborik and take a run at the cup the next 2 years? We had money to keep Gabby and resign all our RFAs.. we dont 'know because of a guy with zero goals.
Since the initial Nash trade rumors the writing was on the wall. Crunch the cap #s the next two years. Then the lockout impact to prevent a cap raise next season.

2 runs with Nash and Gabby. Turned into one because Howson held out. Then turn the page.

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