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04-02-2013, 03:44 PM
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Are you completely incapable of giving our players any credit/praise or do you just choose not to?
Couturier and Schenn are very, very good. I wouldn't even consider trading them for Vanek and Myers. I like both players a lot, but Couturier and Schenn are both top ten picks capable of being two-way 70-PPG players for a long, long time. They don't grow on trees, in fact they're almost as rare as number one defenseman. Before you belittle players like Couturier and Read among others, watch a flyers game or two (besides when they play the Sabres).
Yes, but are they 70pt two way centers? No, they are not. They are both very young and have a lot of upside, but 70pt two way centers they are not. However, Thomas Vanek is an 70pt elite goal scorer, and Tyler Myers is a Calder winning #1 Defenseman.

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Simmons, Couturier and 2ND is fair.

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Yes, but are they 70pt two way centers? No, they are not. They are both very young and have a lot of upside, but 70pt two way centers they are not. However, Thomas Vanek is an 70pt elite goal scorer, and Tyler Myers is a Calder winning #1 Defenseman.
You still have to take salary into consideration. Myers isn't a #1 defenseman. He definitely has the potential, that's undeniable, but he's not there yet. He's closer than Couturier and Schenn, but he's also older. Like I said, I like both players, but I'd rather hang on to Couturier and Schenn long term.

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Nope.

Change Read to Simmonds and change Gustafsson to a 2014 1st and you got a deal.
That would be stupidly one-sided. Never in a million years would I make that trade.

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That would be stupidly one-sided. Never in a million years would I make that trade.
Not to mention that there's literally zero chance of us moving our 2014 1st considering the draft is in Philly.

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Yes, but are they 70pt two way centers? No, they are not. They are both very young and have a lot of upside, but 70pt two way centers they are not. However, Thomas Vanek is an 70pt elite goal scorer, and Tyler Myers is a Calder winning #1 Defenseman.
You can't simply discount age and contract from the discussion when talking about value. Thomas Vanek is a legitimate 1st line winger, but he's also signed for 1 year at 7 mil and could walk next summer. Tyler Myers I just think is having one of those years most non superstar players go through where his confidence is just in the toilet, but that still brings his value down because it's possible (note: possible, not saying it's likely) that he overachieved his first few years and is now underachieving.

Now yes the same risk is there for Schenn and Couturier, because if they were locks they wouldn't be available (and I don't think they should be).

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Yes, but are they 70pt two way centers? No, they are not. They are both very young and have a lot of upside, but 70pt two way centers they are not. However, Thomas Vanek is an 70pt elite goal scorer, and Tyler Myers is a Calder winning #1 Defenseman.
The same year that Vanek had 70 points and Myers won the Calder, Ilya Bryzgalov was a Vezina finalist. Apparently, what happened two years ago don't mean squat.

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The same year that Vanek had 70 points and Myers won the Calder, Ilya Bryzgalov was a Vezina finalist. Apparently, what happened two years ago don't mean squat.
Hahahahahah very well put.

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The same year that Vanek had 70 points and Myers won the Calder, Ilya Bryzgalov was a Vezina finalist. Apparently, what happened two years ago don't mean squat.
This made me lol

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Yes, but are they 70pt two way centers? No, they are not. They are both very young and have a lot of upside, but 70pt two way centers they are not. However, Thomas Vanek is an 70pt elite goal scorer, and Tyler Myers is a Calder winning #1 Defenseman.
how is a guy who only had 70 points twice in 8 years considered to be a 70 point player? 60 point player sure, but 70? no.

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Simmons, Couturier and 2ND is fair.
No, it's not.

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Couts has regressed from his first year as well..and his ceiling isn't very high offensivly... Shut down centers are nice...but Frans Nielson isnt a world beater.

Read is a 27 yr old playing his second season and has yet to prove anything.

Ill plead ignorance on Gus.
Couts had a bad 2nd year. It's called the Sophomore Slump for a reason. And Couturier has a very high ceiling offensively. And he is also a shut down center.

I'd plead ignorance to Couturier in addition to Gus judging by your thoughts on Coots' potential.

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Simmons, Couturier and 2ND is fair.
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No, it's not.


I want a those two players plus a 1st and 3rd plus the Sabres will take a salary dump.

anything less, forget you. Hate the Flyers anyhow and I don't want to give them a great player.

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Not to mention that there's literally zero chance of us moving our 2014 1st considering the draft is in Philly.
If your GM is using that criteria to take a 1st round pick off the table in a trade, he/she should be fired right now.

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Couturier has "regressed" because he's been with crap linemates and barely gets offensive zone starts. .
I see flashbacks with "R"s flashing...

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Vanek-G-Voracek line would be filthy but with that cap hit i say pass.

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I would think to make this work, Hartnell, Couturier and the Flyers 1st this year (which could be a lottery pick) would have to be in play. That is if this rumor is true.

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Serious question. Are the Flyers really trying to make the playoffs this year?
Yes.

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If your GM is using that criteria to take a 1st round pick off the table in a trade, he/she should be fired right now.
Going back almost 30 years, the 'home' team at the draft has had a first round pick every single time.

Every single time.

Coincidence?

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No thanks, cap and what it would cost to acquire him just make it seem like a no-go. Durability and consistency would be issues for me in a deal for Vanek also.

I think it's obvious the Flyers are interested in an elite forward to play with Giroux, and to be blunt I think there are better options than Vanek through a big treade. I'd take him as a rental or sign him as a UFA, though.

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Simmons, Couturier and 2ND is fair.
If I was Buffalo, I would think long and hard about that.

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The Flyers are only going to want Vanek until they see the price.

a price that's going to include multiple 1st round picks, roster player(s), and a blue chipper.
Yep, and Sabres fans are going to cry when they see Vanek play out his contract and take off.

here is a more realistic deal.

Vanek for Briere and Coburn

The value is there and the age and contracts are about even. Good deal for both sides.

Oh? You want cheap exellent young talent and high end first rounders to turn into far more than Vanek could ever hope to be?

Oh I see. Nobody has ever thought of that scam before. Well I lied. Everyone has thought of dumping their overpaid guys for picks and prospects for like about 50 YEARS now.

Good luck with that angle.

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If I was Buffalo, I would think long and hard about that.
Holmgrem will never offer it.

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No thanks, cap and what it would cost to acquire him just make it seem like a no-go. Durability and consistency would be issues for me in a deal for Vanek also.

I think it's obvious the Flyers are interested in an elite forward to play with Giroux, and to be blunt I think there are better options than Vanek through a big treade. I'd take him as a rental or sign him as a UFA, though.
What? You WONT give up 4 first rounders and your first born to rent Vanek for his final overpaid contract?

Wow. You mean you arent interested in re stocking the Sabres with talent at your expense? What kind of Sabres, I mean, Flyers fan are you?

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I would think to make this work, Hartnell, Couturier and the Flyers 1st this year (which could be a lottery pick) would have to be in play. That is if this rumor is true.
All that for a guy signed for 1 more year at 7 mill?

No thanks. There is zero reason the Flyers should buy anyone at the deadline. What they need can wait until the offseason.

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