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To be fair, besides some added on pieces I wouldn't say the Kings had that much playoff experience...they just got bounced in the first round a few years in a row beforehand..
Adding just one more depth piece could end up making a huge difference with how deep we go. And I think a good way to look at it is that we should be in the mindset for a deep run, because if we win, then awesome. But if we can get to the ECF or even win the ECF, we will be allowing our players to get that experience they need. No use in saying we don't have experience. Let's go for it and see what happens. Chicago, Pitts, Boston, etc all needed to lose late in the playoffs to learn how to go all the way.

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I think a majority of us (myself included) are totally fine with where we are, but won't necessarily post about it or complain about missed opportunities. At this point, the board is more or less sane.

Remember when leaf fans were on suicide watch (around the #freeJakeGardiner fiasco)? Then all of a sudden, Lupul is crowned league MVP and the passion that unites them is back. They're far worse and we'll see what happens with the Kipper watch.

I trust the current team + Bourque going into the playoffs.
and that would be the acceptance stage..stage 5 lol and on the 2nd bolded part it's funny that you mentioned Kipper as I was having a banter on facebook with a few Leaf fans and they said they were younger,faster better all around blah blah blah and then I posted..Kadry..Lupis,Kessel,ballsack for Kiprusoff..and throw in a 1st and a conditional 2nd for Kipper and Akim Aliu as they have always traded their youth for the push .just waiting on that reply

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To be fair, besides some added on pieces I wouldn't say the Kings had that much playoff experience...they just got bounced in the first round a few years in a row beforehand..
To be fair, they had 7 of their 18 man roster play in or with the Stanley Cup finals.

Those players are:
Justin Williams
Mike Richards
Jarret Stoll
Simon Gagne
Dustin Penner
Jeff Carter
Rob Scuderi

Compared to the Habs: Ryder, Gionta, Moen and Kaberle.
Not even close to comparable to LA of last year, even if LA didn't make it out of round 1 in over 10 years until they won the cup.

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and that would be the acceptance stage..stage 5 lol and on the 2nd bolded part it's funny that you mentioned Kipper as I was having a banter on facebook with a few Leaf fans and they said they were younger,faster better all around blah blah blah and then I posted..Kadry..Lupis,Kessel,ballsack for Kiprusoff..and throw in a 1st and a conditional 2nd for Kipper and Akim Aliu as they have always traded their youth for the push .just waiting on that reply
I really really miss John Ferguson Jr. That man was epic. His father, a gift to the Habs, and him, a gift in his own way.

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Adding just one more depth piece could end up making a huge difference with how deep we go. And I think a good way to look at it is that we should be in the mindset for a deep run, because if we win, then awesome. But if we can get to the ECF or even win the ECF, we will be allowing our players to get that experience they need. No use in saying we don't have experience. Let's go for it and see what happens. Chicago, Pitts, Boston, etc all needed to lose late in the playoffs to learn how to go all the way.
Boston was in the ECF last in 90-91, until they won their cup.
This is not the year to give up assets for a playoff push. A 4th rounder for someone, ok. But nothing more.

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Boston was in the ECF last in 90-91, until they won their cup.
This is not the year to give up assets for a playoff push. A 4th rounder for someone, ok. But nothing more.
Okay fair enough but I still think my point has merit. I'm not asking for a big asset to be moved. I'm looking at a depth forward with size to replace armstrong. Other than that I was advocating that the mentality around this year should be optimistic, becuase the deeper we go this year, the more experience and exposure to the playoffs will help expedite our true years of contention. If we lack deep runs over the next few years, when we do have our young guys hit their prime, we'll have question marks about experience. It's better for them to learn now and benefit later than learn while we're actually trying to go out and be a SC favourite. That's why I think we should look into buying a solid Bottom6er.

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I said it before and I'll say it again: I hope we don't trade for anybody, except if it's free like for Halpern.

In July we'll thank ourselves.
Agreed, I'm not ready to bet on this team yet. We should wait a couple of years for our young players to develop more before going all in at the deadline like the Pens. None of Subban, Galchenyuk, and Gallagher has reached his potential yet, not to mention Tinordi and Beaulieu.

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Agreed, I'm not ready to bet on this team yet. We should wait a couple of years for our young players to develop more before going all in at the deadline like the Pens. None of Subban, Galchenyuk, and Gallagher has reached his potential yet, not to mention Tinordi and Beaulieu.
There's a difference between going all in and adding a depth player.

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Okay fair enough but I still think my point has merit. I'm not asking for a big asset to be moved. I'm looking at a depth forward with size to replace armstrong. Other than that I was advocating that the mentality around this year should be optimistic, becuase the deeper we go this year, the more experience and exposure to the playoffs will help expedite our true years of contention. If we lack deep runs over the next few years, when we do have our young guys hit their prime, we'll have question marks about experience. It's better for them to learn now and benefit later than learn while we're actually trying to go out and be a SC favourite. That's why I think we should look into buying a solid Bottom6er.
Drewiskie might be that. All accounts from people that know him well suggest as much. If you meant a solid top4, maybe no, but it does seem like he is a solid bottom 6er and with the right coaching and the way the Habs have a way (opposite to last year) of turning things to gold, this might very well get us deep into the playoffs. We could look back at this move as one of the best deadline deals since Kovalev.

Let's see how it plays out. I also want us to get experience.

Mission one: Win the division (I think conference is a little out of reach by a point or two). This will be very tough, but we can do it while nobody would have believed this near possible at the season's start.

if that doesn't happen,

Mission two: BEAT THE LEAFS! Nothing would be a better experience for our kids than this. Not like our team is exactly lacking in PO experience. It's really JUST Gally and Chucky (ok Emelin too) and I have a feeling Gally will be a big game performer.

My feeling is that our success rests a LOT on waking Max up for good. Looked good last game, now keep it going like last year. He is our ticket to playoff success (everyone else is pulling their weight pretty well so far in terms of meeting or exceeding their potential).

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Drewiskie might be that. All accounts from people that know him well suggest as much. If you meant a solid top4, maybe no, but it does seem like he is a solid bottom 6er and with the right coaching and the way the Habs have a way (opposite to last year) of turning things to gold, this might very well get us deep into the playoffs. We could look back at this move as one of the best deadline deals since Kovalev.

Let's see how it plays out. I also want us to get experience.

Mission one: Win the division (I think conference is a little out of reach by a point or two). This will be very tough, but we can do it while nobody would have believed this near possible at the season's start.

if that doesn't happen,

Mission two: BEAT THE LEAFS! Nothing would be a better experience for our kids than this. Not like our team is exactly lacking in PO experience. It's really JUST Gally and Chucky and I have a feeling Gally will be a big game performer.

My feeling is that our success rests a LOT on waking Max up for good. Looked good last game, now keep it going like last year. He is our ticket to playoff success (everyone else is pulling their weight pretty well so far in terms of meeting or exceeding their potential).
By bottom6er i mean a bottom6 forward.

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To be fair, they had 7 of their 18 man roster play in or with the Stanley Cup finals.

Those players are:
Justin Williams
Mike Richards
Jarret Stoll
Simon Gagne
Dustin Penner
Jeff Carter
Rob Scuderi

Compared to the Habs: Ryder, Gionta, Moen and Kaberle.
Not even close to comparable to LA of last year, even if LA didn't make it out of round 1 in over 10 years until they won the cup.
True, but we also have a bunch that went to the ECF, Plekanec, Subban, Price, Gorges, Prust.
Not saying it's comparable, but we have a bunch of guys that have gone through some PO stories.
So it's not like they don't have any experience. It's not SCF experience, but you have to go through 3 rounds first anyways, and we have 9 guys that have gone through that along with some of the management group, that have also gone through it rather recently.

I don't think PO experience will be much of an issue. As for the most part of the season, I'm sure our team will be well prepared once the POs start. I believe in this group.

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Getting Bourque back soon is just going to be like acquiring a big gritty forward who can score at the deadline, except it's gonna be for nothing.

DD2 was a good depth move by Bergevin, we needed a 6th D. I don't expect him to do anything tomorrow. However, anything can happen so I could very well be wrong.

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Getting Bourque back soon is just going to be like acquiring a big gritty forward who can score at the deadline, except it's gonna be for nothing.

DD2 was a good depth move by Bergevin, we needed a 6th D. I don't expect him to do anything tomorrow. However, anything can happen so I could very well be wrong.
I agree about Bourque but we still need to replace/upgrade Army's spot. I don't think white/dumont are the best candidates.

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I agree about Bourque but we still need to replace/upgrade Army's spot. I don't think white/dumont are the best candidates.
Not the best, no, but when Bourque comes back that eventually moves everyone down the line up and fills Army's spot anyway. Army was going to be the odd man out when Bourque came back anyway so his injury is just an unlucky break that it happened a couple weeks sooner.

Patches - DD - Gally
Ryder - Pleks - Gio
Chucky - Eller - Bourque
Moen - Halpern - Prust

There's our forwards.. and it looks pretty damn good I must say.

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Not the best, no, but when Bourque comes back that eventually moves everyone down the line up and fills Army's spot anyway. Army was going to be the odd man out when Bourque came back anyway so his injury is just an unlucky break that it happened a couple weeks sooner.

Patches - DD - Gally
Ryder - Pleks - Gio
Chucky - Eller - Bourque
Moen - Halpern - Prust

There's our forwards.. and it looks pretty damn good I must say.
Yeah you have a point, that isn't bad at all. Some 4th line insurance in case Bourque isn't back would be nice, but yeah we don't need it. I'd Swap Gio with Bourque though.

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Yeah you have a point, that isn't bad at all. Some 4th line insurance in case Bourque isn't back would be nice, but yeah we don't need it. I'd Swap Gio with Bourque though.
Oh yeah those lines aren't set in stone definitely, I'm just saying everyone here asking for MB to acquire a forward tomorrow is likely to be disappointed if indeed Bourque is en route to a steady recovery. We simply just don't have the room up front, unless like you said that person is there temporarily until Rene gets back.

I thought the only move he would make is getting a 5-6 D to play a steady 15-18 minutes with Cube on the backend and it looks like that guy is going to be Drewiske, so I really have no idea what MB might do, if anything, at the deadline tomorrow.

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By bottom6er i mean a bottom6 forward.
Ah! I see.

Well, to that I would say two things. First, as much as I get very frustrated with Gio, he is a playoff performer with clutchness AND he does do important playoff-relevant things in terms of backchecking and some under the radar smart plays. He will have to pick it up goal wise, but I expect the captain to do that.

Secondly, Bourque. That's all we need at this point + the option of Diaz. Right now our second PP sucks due to no shot from the point (I am on the Emelin bandwagon FTR) and I find it inconceivable that we never let Eller get in on it even when it's clear that the top two trios are not getting it done. Again, Bourque in front of the net plzzzzz!

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Oh yeah those lines aren't set in stone definitely, I'm just saying everyone here asking for MB to acquire a forward tomorrow is likely to be disappointed if indeed Bourque is en route to a steady recovery. We simply just don't have the room up front, unless like you said that person is there temporarily until Rene gets back.

I thought the only move he would make is getting a 5-6 D to play a steady 15-18 minutes with Cube on the backend and it looks like that guy is going to be Drewiske, so I really have no idea what MB might do, if anything, at the deadline tomorrow.
I think MB will kick the tires on some guys, because he might as well. But if he does stand pat, I have no issue. I simply think our team could use a guy to help prust out and add some bite to our team. A 4th liner/Press box guy who could be retained for the future would be a nice pickup, but like you said we don't have to force a trade. It all depends on the value MB encounters tomorrow.

Also, I'm actually really happy with Drewiske. I think it was a very smart and opportunistic trade for Bergevin.

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Ah! I see.

Well, to that I would say two things. First, as much as I get very frustrated with Gio, he is a playoff performer with clutchness AND he does do important playoff-relevant things in terms of backchecking and some under the radar smart plays. He will have to pick it up goal wise, but I expect the captain to do that.

Secondly, Bourque. That's all we need at this point + the option of Diaz. Right now our second PP sucks due to no shot from the point (I am on the Emelin bandwagon FTR) and I find it inconceivable that we never let Eller get in on it even when it's clear that the top two trios are not getting it done. Again, Bourque in front of the net plzzzzz!
Yeah see my posts on this page about Bourque. When he's back we'll be really deep and more powerful up front. He would do well on the PP too. Gio will be steady, but you're right, he needs to get hot. I just want some jam in our bottom line to back up prust and give us options in our lineup.

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it's feaster.

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Yeah see my posts on this page about Bourque. When he's back we'll be really deep and more powerful up front. He would do well on the PP too. Gio will be steady, but you're right, he needs to get hot. I just want some jam in our bottom line to back up prust and give us options in our lineup.
Thing about playoffs is that you never know where the big plays are gonna come from. There's probability and filling out a roster to be stacked goes a long way, but look at what we did in 2010. Totally insane. You really never know and a roster on paper often doesn't translate to success. What we need more than adding players, is to get big games out of our current players. This includes Carey. He will have to shut the door (overall in the series, not saying every game needs to be a shutout).

Just imagine if Chucky ends up putting it all together and being a playoff hero. Never know.


We do need to fix that PP though. I just don't understand how MT is not addressing it when he has the players to do it. Imagine the thread Eller creates if you replace Gio with him (not gonna happen, but just think about it). Incredible puck control, deadly shot, can circle the ice, big body, great hands in tight. Then (as you have supported) Bourque. We could kick it into a new gear with a little luck with injuries and with MT realizing the weapon he has.

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Thing about playoffs is that you never know where the big plays are gonna come from. There's probability and filling out a roster to be stacked goes a long way, but look at what we did in 2010. Totally insane. You really never know and a roster on paper often doesn't translate to success. What we need more than adding players, is to get big games out of our current players. This includes Carey. He will have to shut the door (overall in the series, not saying every game needs to be a shutout).

Just imagine if Chucky ends up putting it all together and being a playoff hero. Never know.


We do need to fix that PP though. I just don't understand how MT is not addressing it when he has the players to do it. Imagine the thread Eller creates if you replace Gio with him (not gonna happen, but just think about it). Incredible puck control, deadly shot, can circle the ice, big body, great hands in tight. Then (as you have supported) Bourque. We could kick it into a new gear with a little luck with injuries and with MT realizing the weapon he has.
100% agree about the power play. We need to reassess who brings what to the table and structure our PP based on chemistry and variety of skillsets. Gio/ryder on the same wave is redundant for example

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Thing about playoffs is that you never know where the big plays are gonna come from. There's probability and filling out a roster to be stacked goes a long way, but look at what we did in 2010. Totally insane. You really never know and a roster on paper often doesn't translate to success. What we need more than adding players, is to get big games out of our current players. This includes Carey. He will have to shut the door (overall in the series, not saying every game needs to be a shutout).

Just imagine if Chucky ends up putting it all together and being a playoff hero. Never know.
Yeah but you can't bank on a 19 year old rookie "putting it all together" during the toughest portion of the NHL season.

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Agreed, I'm not ready to bet on this team yet. We should wait a couple of years for our young players to develop more before going all in at the deadline like the Pens. None of Subban, Galchenyuk, and Gallagher has reached his potential yet, not to mention Tinordi and Beaulieu.
Neither have Seguin and Hamilton. What's your point? Going for it this year has nothing to do with Subban, Galchenyuk or Gallagher's development. They aren't going anywhere and they will hopefully help us contend in a few years. Thing is we can also contend now.

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