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04-02-2013, 11:42 PM
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nuh uh, dubnyk has good stats because he is terrible. truth.
This is the weirdest statement I have seen on these boards.

Good job on breaking new ground in HFOil...I guess.
Actually, Dorian2, I think that Koto offers a fairly accurate summary of the logic (absurdity) of this thread.

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Agreed, he gives them a solid chance to win everynight, and that's all this team needs, a chance to win.
Yup. When we lose it's because we don't score and there's no excuse for that because our style is totally run'n gun.

Can't rely on the goalie to score.

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04-03-2013, 12:20 AM
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Actually, Dorian2, I think that Koto offers a fairly accurate summary of the logic (absurdity) of this thread.
No, not really. Let's take a look at that 'accurate summary'.

Dubnyk has 'good stats' only if you cherry pick those stats.

22nd overall in GAA isn't on Dubnyk because the team in front of him is bad. Not really a good measure of a goalie.

39th overall in Save Percentage in the shootout. Not even mentioned.

7th overall in Save Percentage ... Wow!

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04-03-2013, 12:55 AM
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Dubnyk's development this season has been tremendous. He's got a very bright future ahead of him.

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No, not really. Let's take a look at that 'accurate summary'.

Dubnyk has 'good stats' only if you cherry pick those stats.

22nd overall in GAA isn't on Dubnyk because the team in front of him is bad. Not really a good measure of a goalie.

39th overall in Save Percentage in the shootout. Not even mentioned.

7th overall in Save Percentage ... Wow!
Rumour is, he spends his free time kicking puppies too!

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04-03-2013, 01:26 AM
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Dubnyk just keeps on rollin.Won the game for us against Columbus. Thats 5 or 6 of those babies this year Kinda has kept the naysayers quiet for a bit. Thats nice.

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04-03-2013, 01:29 AM
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The thing about putting down Dubnyk and all his flaws (and yes he has some)... if he's not a decent starter, find 30 other goalies better than him in the NHL.

I guarantee people could legitimately pick holes in those other 30 "better" goalies as well.

He's not the best goalie... he's far from the worst though as well... and he's definitely not the #1 problem on this roster.

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04-03-2013, 01:38 AM
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He's not the best goalie... he's far from the worst though as well... and he's definitely not the #1 problem on this roster.
This!

I think the need for a top pairing D is the biggest problem with this roster. 3C/4C/3LW/both parts of the bottom pairing D are all areas where the roster can be improved.

That doesn't mean that an upgrade in net should be off the table. Remember the thread is all about Dubnyk.

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This!

I think the need for a top pairing D is the biggest problem with this roster. 3C/4C/3LW/both parts of the bottom pairing D are all areas where the roster can be improved.

That doesn't mean that an upgrade in net should be off the table. Remember the thread is all about Dubnyk.
Did you really just say Horcoff and Jones are the biggest problems on our team? Horcoff is overpaid, but he's still a good 3C and Jones had 35 goals over the last 2 years, and came 1st and then 2nd in hits amongst forwards...

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Did you really just say Horcoff and Jones are the biggest problems on our team? Horcoff is overpaid, but he's still a good 3C and Jones had 35 goals over the last 2 years, and came 1st and then 2nd in hits amongst forwards...
No, I said the need for a top pairing D was our biggest problem. Horcoff and Jones are both areas where the roster can be improved.

Horcoff is a valuable 3C, but absolutely not worth $5.5M a year. The overpayment is not something that should be ignored.

I loved Jones' game last season. With the eye injury he has lost his edge. If we can get the 2011-12 Ryan Jones back that would be awesome.

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No, I said the need for a top pairing D was our biggest problem. Horcoff and Jones are both areas where the roster can be improved.

Horcoff is a valuable 3C, but absolutely not worth $5.5M a year. The overpayment is not something that should be ignored.

I loved Jones' game last season. With the eye injury he has lost his edge. If we can get the 2011-12 Ryan Jones back that would be awesome.
Misread that, but the point still stands. We have much more pressing issues than Horcoff and Jones. Horcoff's caphit isn't hurting us so it really is irrelevant and Jones isn't 100%, but he's starting to get back to normal. It takes time to get back to game speed

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Misread that, but the point still stands. We have much more pressing issues than Horcoff and Jones. Horcoff's caphit isn't hurting us so it really is irrelevant and Jones isn't 100%, but he's starting to get back to normal. It takes time to get back to game speed
What are the pressing issues in your view? It's pretty easy to be negative about other people's suggested solution without providing your own.

I guess you believe what I said about the need for a top pairing defenceman.

The Oilers will be close to the cap next season and really close in 2014-15. Keeping Horcoff is just bad asset management.

I would love to see Jones return to form and Dubnyk prove the faith a lot people have placed in him. Not getting my hopes up for either happening.

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But I thought the high GAA (2.52) was a team stat and not on Dubnyk.

The silence on the stickhandling speaks volumes.
You know who else has bad stickhandling according to HF'ers?

Quick
Fleury
Thomas
Lundqvist

It looks like nobody's as good as we think they are, everybody's stats are inflated!

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You know who else has bad stickhandling according to HF'ers?

Quick
Fleury
Thomas
Lundqvist

It looks like nobody's as good as we think they are, everybody's stats are inflated!
Scoobie Doobie Doo's save percentage is equal to or better than all those guys. So he must be a better goalie than all of them.

Thanks for proving my point.

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04-03-2013, 07:22 AM
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Im still mad that Dubnyk didnt get a shutout on Monday night...he was SO CLOSE!!

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Scoobie Doobie Doo's save percentage is equal to or better than all those guys. So he must be a better goalie than all of them.

Thanks for proving my point.
His statement doesn't prove your point.

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His statement doesn't prove your point.
It proves that save percentage really a WOW stat as in the op.

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It proves that save percentage really a WOW stat as in the op.
Do you understand how save percentage works?

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Do you understand how save percentage works?
Yes I do.

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So many top goalies in the league can't play the puck to save their lives, can't believe how much flack Dubey is getting for it. That kind of thing is just a bonus, not a requirement.

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No, not really. Let's take a look at that 'accurate summary'.

Dubnyk has 'good stats' only if you cherry pick those stats.

22nd overall in GAA isn't on Dubnyk because the team in front of him is bad. Not really a good measure of a goalie.

39th overall in Save Percentage in the shootout. Not even mentioned.

7th overall in Save Percentage ... Wow!
Which of those stats carries the most weight shoop?

(hints) If you don't stop enough pucks you don't get any wins and you don't get to the shootout.

Would we be better off if dubnyk's sv% was .905 and his shootout sv% was 1.000?

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Which of those stats carries the most weight shoop?

(hints) If you don't stop enough pucks you don't get any wins and you don't get to the shootout.

Would we be better off if dubnyk's sv% was .905 and his shootout sv% was 1.000?
.905 is a pretty terrible save percentage. How about .910 for perfection in the shootout?

Sadly for the Dubnyk fans it is quite possible that the team could be better off in that scenario and it's not that hard to imagine.

Dubnyk with stronger stickhandling cuts down on one shot a game. Dubnyk with better rebound control cuts down on one more shot a game.

Take those two changes and he allows five more goal over this season gets him to .910. Is that worth three more points in the standings right now for winning the three games he lost in the shootout?

I know what I'd pick.

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.905 is a pretty terrible save percentage. How about .910 for perfection in the shootout?

Sadly for the Dubnyk fans it is quite possible that the team could be better off in that scenario and it's not that hard to imagine.

Dubnyk with stronger stickhandling cuts down on one shot a game. Dubnyk with better rebound control cuts down on one more shot a game.

Take those two changes and he allows five more goal over this season gets him to .910. Is that worth three more points in the standings right now for winning the three games he lost in the shootout?

I know what I'd pick.
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.905 is a pretty terrible save percentage. How about .910 for perfection in the shootout?

Sadly for the Dubnyk fans it is quite possible that the team could be better off in that scenario and it's not that hard to imagine.

Dubnyk with stronger stickhandling cuts down on one shot a game. Dubnyk with better rebound control cuts down on one more shot a game.

Take those two changes and he allows five more goal over this season gets him to .910. Is that worth three more points in the standings right now for winning the three games he lost in the shootout?

I know what I'd pick.
You are assuming that the 5 extra goals you just gave up didn't eliminate the shoot outs entirely.

Hard to make it to shoot out when you lose in regulation.

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You are assuming that the 5 extra goals you just gave up didn't eliminate the shoot outs entirely.
Yes. Fair trade off for also assuming no extra points as a result of better play on behalf of Dubnyk. A reasonable analysis of what would happen given Oill's question.

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