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04-03-2013, 10:18 AM
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now that's an interesting what if. i think jagr is a superstar easily no matter what happens, but i also suspect he doesn't develop into the near-generational offensive force that he was without learning from and watching mario in those early years. and don't forget that bryan trottier took jagr under his wing that first year too (at the time, trots was sixth all-time in scoring which we kind of forget sometimes). smart agent?
Why near-generational?

Generational is god's honest truth, nothing debatable about it.
The guy was head and shoulders above other players for years, and only behind Mario and Wayne in the last 30-35.

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off topic, but just heard this on the trade deadline coverage on sportsnet (panel with pat quinn, mike keenan, neil smith, and brian lawton)--

quinn says he was going to take jagr in the 1990 draft but jagr's agent lied and said he wasn't going to come over, so he takes nedved instead. that agent, quinn suggests, "directed a few guys to pittsburgh," whatever that actually means.

now that's an interesting what if. i think jagr is a superstar easily no matter what happens, but i also suspect he doesn't develop into the near-generational offensive force that he was without learning from and watching mario in those early years. and don't forget that bryan trottier took jagr under his wing that first year too (at the time, trots was sixth all-time in scoring which we kind of forget sometimes). smart agent?
He is not near, he is and was a generational talent.

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Don't see why it would.

He was the best player for our team, that didn't play goaltender, all season. Just a matter of a rebuild here, simple as that.

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Why near-generational?

Generational is god's honest truth, nothing debatable about it.
The guy was head and shoulders above other players for years, and only behind Mario and Wayne in the last 30-35.
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He is not near, he is and was a generational talent.
yeesh, "sub-wayne/bobby/gordie/mario." happy?

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yeesh, "sub-wayne/bobby/gordie/mario." happy?
He's not sub Bobby Hull. Being sub the Big 4 is fine though.

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I don't think late career moves will hurt Jagr or Selanne after they retire. I do think their ability to play at a high level late in their career (although important) MAY have slightly over inflated their all time rankings. In the last All Time Draft Jagr went before Howie Morenz and Selanne went before Cy Denneny. Jagr and Sealanne are all time great offensive players, but are they really better all around players and more important to their eras than Morenz and Denneny? I don't know.

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04-03-2013, 01:21 PM
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I don't think late career moves will hurt Jagr or Selanne after they retire. I do think their ability to play at a high level late in their career (although important) MAY have slightly over inflated their all time rankings. In the last All Time Draft Jagr went before Howie Morenz and Selanne went before Cy Denneny. Jagr and Sealanne are all time great offensive players, but are they really better all around players and more important to their eras than Morenz and Denneny? I don't know.
Selanne isn't but Jagr sure is.

Many would have Jagr in their top 10 all-time.

The fact that he has 2 Cups, numerous International awards, 5 Art Ross trophies, 6 Hart (top 3) finishes, 1 Hart, 3 Pearsons and knocking on 700 goals and 1700 Pts says he at least is close to the top 10 all-time if not already there.

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I honestly think that the more time passes since his disaster in Washington, that the more people will look back on Jagr's career favorably. They'll see that he had some down years in Washington, but his stats were still pretty good, and they'll forget just what a cancer he was to that team.

I also think that 5 Art Ross trophies look better and better in retrospect, as we see how tough it is now to repeat even once.
I tend to agree with this.

A player changing teams to win, via trade free agency or anything else shouldn't hurt their legacy.

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His time with the Rangers really vindicated his legacy after that disaster in Washington (he had a 123-point season in New York). Now he's like Ray Whitney---still being good very late in his career. That Jagr has also stayed long enough to finally cross the 1000-assist mark (and become the first non-Canadian to do so) also solidifies his legacy as strong and perhaps the best European to ever play in the NHL.

BTW, I thought that Jagr was done in the NHL at 36 and was surprised when he returned at age 39.

As Gretzky was a generational talent, so was Jaromir Jagr. The question now is: when will Pittsburgh retire #68?

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Jagr has rehabilitated his image through his actions and attitude in Europe and the NHL in recent years, even though he's been skipping around the league while doing it. He's the best kind of merc, a guy you can bring into any situation and he'll contribute on ice and in the room. Total bro nowadays.

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