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04-03-2013, 08:16 AM
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lol, only tfong.

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04-03-2013, 08:32 AM
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That doesn't really make sense, if he is on a terrible team he will see more rubber and it will inflate his save percentage. If his team only allows 23 shots on net in general, that is pretty good defensively. I mean look at Rammo's he is on a "weak" team and he has good stats.

Reto isn't even in the top 5 of his own league. The league leader is Conz with 0.929 and 2.24. The first placed team only has 3 more GF than Reto's team, but nearly 40 goal in GA difference. If anything goaltending "looks" like their achilles heel.
And that's why looking at stats only isn't relevant...Conz is very good but he plays for one of the most serious contendant to the title this year (Fribourg is now qualified for the final serie against Bern).
I've seen 12 games between EHC Biel and Fribourg this year and I can tell you that without Berra they wouldn't have won any of them.

The defense of Biel is weak, the number of shots is a thing, but the position from which the shot is taken is another. I can tell you that they allow a crazy number of shots from the slots and odd numbers breakaways.

The fact that Biel was twice able to go in the playoffs is mostly due to Berra and if they take so many goals, it's certainly not because he lacks of talent.

For the goalies in Switzerland, I'd say based on this season
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04-03-2013, 08:37 AM
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Why? You think we have a shot at the playoffs?
It's a bad idea because Ramo wants to be the clear #1 goaltender. If they plan on that and Ramo finds out, I could see it difficult for the Flames to re-sign him. (or even sign him)

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04-03-2013, 08:59 AM
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Confused?
Very. I think our second round pick this year is pretty valuable to give up and so is Bouw. Not that he was the only part of the Bouw deal but c'mon, it's not like these guys were grabbed off waivers. That 2nd we gave up will likely be within 5 picks of the one we got back for Iggy

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04-03-2013, 10:24 AM
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Very. I think our second round pick this year is pretty valuable to give up and so is Bouw. Not that he was the only part of the Bouw deal but c'mon, it's not like these guys were grabbed off waivers. That 2nd we gave up will likely be within 5 picks of the one we got back for Iggy
That 2nd wasn't to acquire Ramo. It was to balance the deal for Montreal. Ramo, was very much an accessory piece. We would have given up that 2nd either way.

Berra is much the same story, he was very much an additional piece, the main piece in the Bouw trade is that 1st. Berra could be replaced with a different lowly regarded prospect.

In both those deals the goalies were small pieces, and without them the returns would still be almost the same.

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04-03-2013, 10:27 AM
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It's a bad idea because Ramo wants to be the clear #1 goaltender. If they plan on that and Ramo finds out, I could see it difficult for the Flames to re-sign him. (or even sign him)
Don't think so really. He said he wanted to come in and "compete" for a starter position. With Kipper likely gone this is the best chance in his career to become and NHL starter and honestly, if he doesn't want to compete against someone and doesn't think he can outplay someone who has never played an NHL game then I don't really want him as our goalie in that case.

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04-03-2013, 10:46 AM
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That 2nd wasn't to acquire Ramo. It was to balance the deal for Montreal. Ramo, was very much an accessory piece. We would have given up that 2nd either way.

Berra is much the same story, he was very much an additional piece, the main piece in the Bouw trade is that 1st. Berra could be replaced with a different lowly regarded prospect.

In both those deals the goalies were small pieces, and without them the returns would still be almost the same.
The 2nd was to acquire Ramo

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The 2nd was to acquire Ramo
Can you substantiate that?

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04-03-2013, 10:52 AM
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lol, only tfong.

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Lol only Gary, maybe you should stick with the cp crowd.

There is no game footage for me to judge berra on so I only have stats and the stats don't indicate a dominant goaltender.

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04-03-2013, 10:55 AM
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It's a bad idea because Ramo wants to be the clear #1 goaltender. If they plan on that and Ramo finds out, I could see it difficult for the Flames to re-sign him. (or even sign him)
What we are keeping MacDonald as his backup how is that a bad idea. If we let Ramo and Berra fight it out, Ramo has a shot at a starter as it is 1a and 1b situation.

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Can you substantiate that?
Can you substantiate that it wasn't? You state it as fact that the 2nd wasn't for him. Looking at how highly regarded Ramo was I believe the pick was for him, Feaster stated he wasn't a "throw in" and was a big part of the deal from the Flames side

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Can you substantiate that it wasn't? You state it as fact that the 2nd wasn't for him. Looking at how highly regarded Ramo was I believe the pick was for him, Feaster stated he wasn't a "throw in" and was a big part of the deal from the Flames side
Lol and we are done here.

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04-03-2013, 11:26 AM
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Lol and we are done here.
That's what I thought. You stated a fact that couldn't be backed up, I did the same. We took on a huge contract for a similarly underperforming player and added a decent prospect and a second round pick. That's not the return you give up for a massive contract that Montreal wanted rid of unless you get something else back that you really want

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That's what I thought. You stated a fact that couldn't be backed up, I did the same. We took on a huge contract for a similarly underperforming player and added a decent prospect and a second round pick. That's not the return you give up for a massive contract that Montreal wanted rid of unless you get something else back that you really want
And that was Cammy.

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That's what I thought. You stated a fact that couldn't be backed up, I did the same. We took on a huge contract for a similarly underperforming player and added a decent prospect and a second round pick. That's not the return you give up for a massive contract that Montreal wanted rid of unless you get something else back that you really want
No, its patently obvious the 2nd was not for Ramo. No GM in the league not even Feaster would of given a 2nd for him at the time considering he is still unsigned.

You'll find very few people that agree thats what the 2nd was for.

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No, its patently obvious the 2nd was not for Ramo. No GM in the league not even Feaster would of given a 2nd for him at the time considering he is still unsigned.

You'll find very few people that agree thats what the 2nd was for.
I do not care how many people agree with me. A year ago Feaster was a good gm according to most fans on here. I believe Ramo was a big part of including the 2nd, you don't. I'm fine with that

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And that was Cammy.
Understand the term "else"?

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I do not care how many people agree with me. A year ago Feaster was a good gm according to most fans on here. I believe Ramo was a big part of including the 2nd, you don't. I'm fine with that
If you're fine with being wrong, then all the power to you.

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Understand the term "else"?
The trade was for Cammy, we moved a poor work ethic inconsistent 2nd liner for a inconsistent 1st liner that costs adding to even it out.

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If you're fine with being wrong, then all the power to you.
If the masses agree, you must be right. Heil Feaster!

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The trade was for Cammy, we moved a poor work ethic inconsistent 2nd liner for a inconsistent 1st liner that costs adding to even it out.
Like adding double the salary? And Cammy was not playing like a first liner when we traded for him

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Like adding double the salary? And Cammy was not playing like a first liner when we traded for him
It just obvious, its nothing to do with the masses. No one would trade a 2nd for an unsigned KHL goalie. Just doesn't happen.

As to salary, Cammy is still the better player even if overpaid.

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I saw that trade the same way as padlock. I thought Ramo=2nd and Bourque/Holland = Cammy. But since it was 1 trade it's silly to argue the logistics, they were all apart of the deal.

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Like adding double the salary? And Cammy was not playing like a first liner when we traded for him
And Bourque wasn't playing as a 2nd liner. The way I see it

Cammy for Bourque + 2nd
Holland for Ramo + 5th

the value seems right to me and much less crazy then the notation of throwing a 2nd in or the rights of a KHL goalie for 1 year.

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Man this day is slow were arguing over this stupid crap.

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