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04-03-2013, 09:49 AM
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1. I HATE baseball and anything to do with it.

2. I no longer read non fiction as it gets me bitter more often than not. The last non fiction book I read was Human Action by Mises and I said enough is enough.

D. There is nothing wrong with wanting to be profitable and I don't think you are suggesting there is. But the best way to be profitable (unless you have insane MLB revenue sharing) is to actually win a championship or two. They go hand in hand.

If you win you sell out buildings and make profit. If you win championships you sell out building for even longer and make more profit.

Now if you are somehow suggesting that "profit" and "winning a championship" don't go hand in hand and that you think that the only way to truly prove you are prioritizing #winning is to show that you are fine with taking a financial loss then I completely disagree.
1- Ball Four is not a 'baseball' book: it's about philosophy, and people in general. It's one of the best books ever written. My advice to read it is some of the best advice you'll ever get.

As to the rest of your post, you're missing the forest because the trees are in the way.

Winning championships will never go 'hand in hand' with having a successful franchise.

Toronto is one of the most successful franchises in the NHL. How many championships have they won in the last 40 years?

Read the book, Bob.

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04-03-2013, 09:57 AM
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Cliff Notes, please

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04-03-2013, 10:20 AM
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Cliff Notes, please
It's a very entertaining book that's actually hard to put down. Even all these years later, Bouton still sells a ton of copies of it.

OH... and it's funny as he11, too.

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It's a very entertaining book that's actually hard to put down. Even all these years later, Bouton still sells a ton of copies of it.
You have brought this book up many times here and I have always wanted to ask, any chance the world of professional sports has changed since 1969? I'm not saying it has or it hasn't, just wondering.

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04-03-2013, 11:00 AM
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1- Ball Four is not a 'baseball' book: it's about philosophy, and people in general. It's one of the best books ever written. My advice to read it is some of the best advice you'll ever get.

As to the rest of your post, you're missing the forest because the trees are in the way.

Winning championships will never go 'hand in hand' with having a successful franchise.

Toronto is one of the most successful franchises in the NHL. How many championships have they won in the last 40 years?

Read the book, Bob.
There are certain markets where this is true. Toronto, Montreal etc

Dallas Cowboys and Redskins in the NFL are the same.

One thing ALL those teams do is try to win a championship and throw money in an attempt to do so. Why would they try to win and win now when they are so "successful"? Its because they can be even MORE successful if they win.

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You have brought this book up many times here and I have always wanted to ask, any chance the world of professional sports has changed since 1969? I'm not saying it has or it hasn't, just wondering.
Have the basic instincts that drive people changed since then?

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04-03-2013, 11:39 AM
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Have the basic instincts that drive people changed since then?
I think the amount of money involved has changed a lot of things over time. I definitely feel the ownership philosophy has changed as well as the types of people who become owners of top level professional sports teams.

Plus you have basic things like the reserve clause being abolished in '75 that has definitely changed how baseball teams operate.

I clearly haven't read the book. Have you? Maybe it is full of timeless universal truths and maybe much of it is dated and not very applicable to the world of professional sports today. I don't know...

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1- Ball Four is not a 'baseball' book: it's about philosophy, and people in general. It's one of the best books ever written. My advice to read it is some of the best advice you'll ever get.

As to the rest of your post, you're missing the forest because the trees are in the way.

Winning championships will never go 'hand in hand' with having a successful franchise.

Toronto is one of the most successful franchises in the NHL. How many championships have they won in the last 40 years?

Read the book, Bob.
Ball Four was a great book. Always liked Bouton's last lines in the book that went something like all his life he was learning how to get a grip on a baseball when he finally realize that it was the otherway around that all his life the baseball had gotten a grip on him.

Hockey and baseball are my two favorite sports and some of the best sports books (check out the SI top 100 of all time) are baseball books.

Sorry Bob, the only books I read are non-fiction books, to include history and biographys. Currently reading Lawrence Wright's Pulitzer Prize Winner The Looming Towers about the origins of Al Qaeda.

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04-03-2013, 11:50 AM
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Sorry Bob, the only books I read are non-fiction books, to include history and biographys. Currently reading Lawrence Wright's Pulitzer Prize Winner The Looming Towers about the origins of Al Qaeda.
Well clearly you are a nerd. Once I was a nerd too.

Now I'm profound. I think I'll go read Atlas Shrugged for a 3rd time now

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04-03-2013, 11:53 AM
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Immediately after the 3rd lockout under Bettman, on the delayed trade deadline of a lockout-shortened season, are we seriously debating whether or not owners are in it for money?

Seriously?

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Well clearly you are a nerd. Once I was a nerd too.

Now I'm profound. I think I'll go read Atlas Shrugged for a 3rd time now
Has Ted autographed it for you.

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Has Ted autographed it for you.
No but Ted would certainly climb a notch in my book if he is a fan of it.

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Now I'm profound. I think I'll go read Atlas Shrugged for a 3rd time now
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Ball Four was a great book. Always liked Bouton's last lines in the book that went something like all his life he was learning how to get a grip on a baseball when he finally realize that it was the otherway around that all his life the baseball had gotten a grip on him.
Profundity all over the place here today.

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Profundity all over the place here today.

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No but Ted would certainly climb a notch in my book if he is a fan of it.

Ted is a James Taggert. (Note my screen name).

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Jim McTaggert, is that you?

There is a name from the past

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Ted is a James Taggert. (Note my screen name).
While he is a bit of a philanthropist I think Ted is more of a business man than that altho he is no Reardon or D'Anconia.

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While he is a bit of a philanthropist I think Ted is more of a business man than that altho he is no Reardon or D'Anconia.

I expect Ted was a Peter Keating (from The Fountainhead) type when he was young. The kind of person who cares way too much what other people think of you. Now he's consumed by that.

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I expect Ted was a Peter Keating (from The Fountainhead) type when he was young. The kind of person who cares way too much what other people think of you. Now he's consumed by that.
Better comparison.

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Freaking Idiot

I told you all George would screw us. He is awful. Forsberg, our 2nd best prospect, for a middling C.

FIRE GEORGE

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Awful deal. Nashville just robbed the Caps.

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