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03-22-2013, 02:12 AM
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I really think they need to think long and hard before giving Girardi and Callahan lucrative, long-term deals. Callahan will be 29, Girardi 30. Players like them don't tend to last too long into their 30s.

Especially Girardi. It'd be risky to give him any more than a 3 or 4 year deal.

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Hank and Nash alone don't make the team into a contender. Unless one of Thomas, Fasth or St. Croix turns into a 75 point star, we will need to sign one.

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Hank and Nash alone don't make the team into a contender. Unless one of Thomas, Fasth or St. Croix turns into a 75 point star, we will need to sign one.
That was my point. And knowing Sather, he may sign 2 with the cap space you just created for him

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That was my point. And knowing Sather, he may sign 2 with the cap space you just created for him
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With Lundqvist and Nash's age in mind, I would think the Rangers are running out of options other than canning Torts and see if a new coach can get Richards and Gaborik back to being elite players.

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With Lundqvist and Nash's age in mind, I would think the Rangers are running out of options other than canning Torts and see if a new coach can get Richards and Gaborik back to being elite players.
Do you really think a new coach would be able to bring Richards and Gaborik back to being elite players? They are probably two players that least fit our system. Instead of canning the coach and changing everyone but two players, why not keep our system and change the two players? Plus, Gaborik is under contract for just another season after this year.

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Do you really think a new coach would be able to bring Richards and Gaborik back to being elite players? They are probably two players that least fit our system. Instead of canning the coach and changing everyone but two players, why not keep our system and change the two players? Plus, Gaborik is under contract for just another season after this year.

Richards was a pretty good fit last season.

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Do you really think a new coach would be able to bring Richards and Gaborik back to being elite players? They are probably two players that least fit our system. Instead of canning the coach and changing everyone but two players, why not keep our system and change the two players? Plus, Gaborik is under contract for just another season after this year.
I have heard this song play out before. In the end, we don't get over that one hump because we don't have any offensively talented forwards..which were the reasons why we got Gaborik, Richards, and Nash in the first place!

You can't have a coach who is blase with regards to the PP and the offense. Anyone remember that thread about the Rangers' PP? Did we come to a conclusion as to who in fact is running it?

The constant shuffling of players is irritating. I can understand if the team suffers an injury or you're double-shifting certain players, but we don't even have one line-up where they are immune from it. What he's doing is pretty much throwing everything at a wall and see what sticks, with the problem being that we had a pretty good line with Nash-Stepan-Hagelin and he still felt he needed to change things up.

Seriously..do you have to wait until the off-season to have players work on their shots? Wide and high has become synonymous with this team. You can't have shooting practices now?

I know this is a thread about cap management and - in all likelihood - one of Gaborik or Richards will have to be shown the door. The thing is I want Torts to have to go through it, first.

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Callahan and Girardi will get 4yr deals most likely.. for similar money.. girardi is questionable, bc although hes valuable to use and irreplaceable and i could see him trying FA and gett paid! like a 6-7yrs 35m..

richards gets another year forsure.. before the "decision" in 14' to see what to do with him.. hopefully buyout..

i think asham done after this year.. haley has a oneway deal next year, so makes sense to have him up..

Powe and Pyatt may be gone if this team doesn't make the playoffs or makes a run..

torts is on the hot seat next year to win the cup, if not hes gone..

Gab might be traded at the draft or we might wait to next years deadline? hes the biggest question mark of the all!

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Do you really think a new coach would be able to bring Richards and Gaborik back to being elite players? They are probably two players that least fit our system. Instead of canning the coach and changing everyone but two players, why not keep our system and change the two players? Plus, Gaborik is under contract for just another season after this year.
The argument there is weird to me. Your system is Torts system. If he isn't there, it will be the system of somebody else.
Your D, when healthy, can play pretty much any system, at least those among them who matter. Another identity player like Callahan can also be a succesful player on any team in the league. Ie. as a Pens fan I am in no doubt that he could be very good on any of our top3 lines, and we play very different from the Rangers.

The very idea would be that if your coach and his system is not fit to bring out the best of your key players, then it is extremely difficult to get proper value for the key players as they will be under performing and their contracts will look very risky.

Bottom line is that at this point you would be gambling big time if you were to deal or buy out Gaborik/Richards, because there are very few impact UFA's top pick up in their place. Before getting there, one should try out the alternative, which is to can Torts and let a replacement take a crack at it.

As a Penguin fan, I sure hope Torts stay on, but that is something else entirely.

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By the way, you can bet on signing another star, this team's window is open as long as Nash and Hank are elite, 4 years at the max?
Not that many "stars" make it to free agency anymore. Richards was the guy in 2011. Parise and Suter were the guys in 2012. They wanted no part of the Rangers. The Anaheim twins remained in California. The rest of the free agent list for this summer is full of older players. Besides Malkin in 2014,a bunch of old guys. No stars available. The 2nd best group III in 2014 is the Rangers own player.

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When we traded for Nash everyone wanted to take this year and next yr for a shot at the cup. Now because we are underachieving we want to deviate from the plan of giving nash gaborik and richards ample time to win a cup based on 30 games?

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When we traded for Nash everyone wanted to take this year and next yr for a shot at the cup. Now because we are underachieving we want to deviate from the plan of giving nash gaborik and richards ample time to win a cup based on 30 games?
Yup. Mind boggling really.

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Im just looking around on CapGeek thinking about next year and figured this was a good place to put my questions.

That has us with $14,843,333 cap space for this offseason. We need to sign Clowe, Steps, Hags, McDonagh, and Zucc?

What is the thinking on how much money those guys will command?

3.5 for Clowe, 2 for Hags, 4 for McDonagh, 5.5 for Step? Actually thats low for Step right? I have no idea here, halp!

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Im just looking around on CapGeek thinking about next year and figured this was a good place to put my questions.

That has us with $14,843,333 cap space for this offseason. We need to sign Clowe, Steps, Hags, McDonagh, and Zucc?

What is the thinking on how much money those guys will command?

3.5 for Clowe, 2 for Hags, 4 for McDonagh, 5.5 for Step? Actually thats low for Step right? I have no idea here, halp!
$5.5MM for Stepan? And that's low!? Clowe, McDonagh, and Hagelin are about right, IMO. Stepan should get around $2.75MM.

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Whoops meant 4.5 but still $2.75 seems even crazier to me.

He had 45 and 51 points his first two seasons and is on pace for 60+ in a full season.

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Whoops meant 4.5 but still $2.75 seems even crazier to me.

He had 45 and 51 points his first two seasons and is on pace for 60+ in a full season.
And MDZ had 41 points as a dman. Stepan isn't arbitration eligible. Slats will give him a 2 year bridge contract like he's done with almost every other RFA we've had.

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Updated NYR Asset sheet after trade deadline 2013

PLAYERS UNDER CONTRACT WITH NEW YORK RANGERS 2013 (50)

NEW YORK RANGERS (26 - 3 players on LTIR)
Nr Pos Player Caphit Status Team Drafted
1 D McDonagh, Ryan (ELC) $1,300,000* RFA 2013 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #12 Montreal (2007)
2 D Sauer, Michael (LTIR) $1,250,000 RFA 2013 New York Rangers/NHL R2 #40 NYR (2005)
3 F Stepan, Derek (ELC) $875,000 RFA 2013 New York Rangers/NHLR2 #51 NYR (2008)
4 F Hagelin, Carl (ELC) $875,000* RFA 2013 New York Rangers/NHL R6 #168 NYR (2007)
5 F Zuccarello, Mats $700,000 RFA 2013 New York Rangers/NHL Undrafted
6 F Clowe, Ryan $3,625,000 UFA 2013 New York Rangers/NHL R6 #175 San Jose (2001)
7 D Hamrlik, Roman $3,500,000 UFA 2013 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #1 Washington (1992)
8 D Eminger, Steve $750,000 UFA 2013 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #12 Washington (2002)
9 D Gilroy, Matt $650,000 UFA 2013 New York Rangers/NHL Undrafted
10 F Brassard, Derick $3,200,000 RFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #6 Columbus Blue Jackets (2006)
11 D Del Zotto, M. $2,550,000 RFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #20 NYR (2008)
12 D Moore, John (ELC) $965,000 RFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #21 Columbus Blue Jackets (2009)
13 G Lundqvist, Henrik $6,875,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R7 #208 NYR (2000)
14 F Callahan, Ryan $4,275,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R4 #127 NYR (2004)
15 D Girardi, Dan $3,325,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL Undrafted
16 D Stralman, Anton $1,700,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R7 #216 Toronto (2005)
17 F Boyle, Brian $1,700,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #26 Los Angeles (2003)
18 F Pyatt, Taylor $1,550,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #8 New York Isles (1999)
19 F Powe, Darroll $1,066,667 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL Undrafted
20 G Biron, Martin $1,300,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #16 Buffalo (1995)
21 F Asham, Arron $1,000,000 UFA 2014 New York Rangers/NHL R3 #71 Montreal (1996)
22 F Miller, J.T. (ELC) $1,244,167* RFA 2015 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #15 NYR (2011)
23 D Staal, Marc (LTIR) $3,975,000 UFA 2015 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #12 NYR (2005)
24 F Dorsett, Derek (LTIR) $1,633,333 UFA 2015 New York Rangers/NHL R7 #189 Columbus Blue Jackets (2006)
25 F Nash, Rick (NMC) $7,800,000 UFA 2019 New York Rangers/NHL R1 #1 Columbus (2002)
26 F Richards, Brad (NMC) $6,666,667 UFA 2020 New York Rangers/NHL R3 #64 Tampa Bay (1998)

Assigned to AHL/ECHL/Europe (24)
Nr Pos Player Caphit Status Team Drafted
27 D Niemi, Jyri (ELC) $700,000* RFA 2013 Greenville Road Warriors/ECHL R3 #72 NYI (2008)
28 F Ferriero, Benn $700,000 RFA 2013 Connecticut Whale/AHL R7 #196 Phoenix (2006)
29 D Pyett, Logan $600,000 RFA 2013 Connecticut Whale/AHL R7 #212 Detroit (2006)
30 F Palmieri, Nick $577,500 RFA 2013 Connecticut Whale/AHL R3 #79 New Jersey Devils (2007)
31 F Mashinter, Brandon $550,000 RFA 2013 Connecticut Whale/AHL Undrafted
32 D Collins, Sean $600,000 UFA 2013 Connecticut Whale/AHL Undrafted
33 F Segal, Brandon $550,000 UFA 2013 Connecticut Whale/AHL R4 #102 Nashville (2002)
34 D Vernace, Mike $525,000 UFA 2013 Connecticut Whale/AHL R7 #201 San Jose (2004)
35 F Kreider, Chris (ELC) $1,325,000* RFA 2014Connecticut Whale/AHL R1 #19 NYR (2009)
36 F Jean, Kyle (ELC) $925,000* RFA 2014 Connecticut Whale/AHL Undrafted
37 F Bourque, Ryan (ELC) $900,000* RFA 2014 Connecticut Whale/AHL R3 #80 NYR (2009)
38 G Missiaen, Jason (ELC) $750,000* RFA 2014 Connecticut Whale/AHLUndrafted
39 G Stajcer, Scott (ELC) $700,000* RFA 2014 Greenville Road Warriors/ECHLR5 #140 NYR (2009)
40 F Wilson, Jason (ELC) $588,333 RFA 2014 Connecticut Whale/AHL R5 #130 NYR (2010)
41 D McIlrath, Dylan (ELC) $1,295,000* RFA 2015 Connecticut Whale/AHL R1 #10 NYR (2010)
42 F Fast(h), Jesper (ELC) $900,000* RFA 2015Connecticut Whale/AHL R6 #157 NYR (2010)
43 D Bickel, Stu $750,000 UFA 2014 Connecticut Whale/AHL Undrafted
44 F Newbury, Kris $600,000 UFA 2014 Connecticut Whale/AHL R5 #139 San Jose (2002)
45 F Haley, Micheal $600,000 UFA 2014 Connecticut Whale/AHL Undrafted
46 F Thomas, Christian (ELC) $970,000* RFA 2015 Connecticut Whale/AHL R2 #40 NYR (2010)
47 F Yogan, Andrew (ELC) $800,000 RFA 2015 Connecticut Whale/AHL R4 #100 NYR (2010)
48 F Lindberg, Oscar (ELC) $760,000* RFA 2015 Loaned to Skellefteå AIK/SEL R2 #57 PHX (2010)
49 F Hrivik, Marek (ELC) $685,000* RFA 2015 Connecticut Whale/AHL Undrafted
50 G Talbot, Cameron $562,600 UFA 2015 Connecticut Whale/AHL Undrafted

CONTRACTED PLAYERS THAT DO NOT COUNT against 50 contract limit in 2013 (4)
Nr Pos Player Caphit Status Team Drafted
+ D Allen, Connor (ELC) $1,775,000* RFA 2016Connecticut Whale/AHL?undrafted
+ D Hughes, Tommy (ELC) $NA* RFA 2015??London Knights/OHLundrafted
+ F Nicholls, J. (ELC) $709,167 RFA 2016 Juniors - Saskatoon Blades/WHL R7 #182 Toronto Maple Leafs (2010)
+ F St. Croix, M. (ELC S) $665,000 RFA 2016 Juniors - Edmonton Oil Kings/WHL R4 #106 NYR (2011)

Players still unsigned but with rights retained by NYR (there are a few more here I believe)
Pos PlayerTeam Drafted
D Pashnin, Mikhail HC Lokomotiv Yaroslavl/KHL R7 #200 NYR (2009)
F Fogarty, Steven Notre Dame Fighting Irish/CCHA R3 #72 NYR (2011)
F McColgan, Shane Saskatoon Blades/WHL R5 #134 NYR (2011)
D Noreau, Samuel Baie-Comeau Drakkar/LHJMQ R5 #136 NYR(2011)
D Čerešňák, Peter Peterborough Petes/OHL R6 #172 NYR (2011)
D Skjei, Brady Minnesota Golden Gophers/WCHA R1 #28 NYR (2012)
F Nieves, Cristoval Michigan Wolverines/CCHA R2 #59 NYR (2012)
D Andersson, Calle Malmö /HA R4 #119 NYR (2012)
F Spelling, Thomas Oskarshamn/HA R5 #142 NYR(2012)

* - includes bonus money in contract
ELC - denotes player on Entry Level Contract
NTC - denotes No Trade Clause in Contract
NMC - denotes No Movement Clause in Contract
LTIR - denotes player placed on Long time injury reserve

NYR Draft picks in 2013
  • 3rd round Nashville (for NYR 3rd round pick 2012)
  • 3rd round NYR
  • 3rd round Columbus (in Nash trade 2012, conditional - that NYR do not go to SC finals in 2013)
  • 4th round NYR
  • 6th round NYR
  • NO 1st rounder (traded to Columbus for Rick Nash... 2012)
  • NO 2nd rounder (traded to San Jose for Ryan Clowe in 2013)
  • NO 5th rounder (traded to Nashville for Nashville 5th 2012 - chose Tomas Spelling at #142)
  • NO 7th rounder (traded to Minnesota along with Eric "Crusher" Christensen for Casey Wellman 2012)
NYR Draft picks in 2014
  • 1st round NYR
  • 3rd round NYR
  • 4th round NYR
  • 5th round Florida (for Casey Wellman)
  • 5th round NYR
  • 6th round NYR
  • 6th round Columbus (for Marian Gaborik)
  • Eventually NO 2nd rounder NYR (conditionally traded to San Jose for Ryan Clowe in 2013 - condition being if he resigns with NYR or NYR get to ECF in 2013 - then San Jose gets the pick. It will be the Rangers' 5th-round pick in 2014 if neither condition is met.)
  • Eventually NO 7th rounder (conditionally traded to San Jose along with Tommy "horror-movie" Grant for Brandon Mashinter 2013 - condition being if he resigns with NYR then San Jose gets the pick)


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BBKers-Believe the 6th rounder is for 2014 from the Jackets.

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Brassard is RFA after '14 not UFA.

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Mats Zuccarello is not a D, his cap hit is $700000 and is RFA 2013

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For next yr I am thinking Hamrlik, Gilroy are gondie. Pyatt is dealt for a pick or minor leaguer to clear that salary

All these guys should fit

Lundqvist
Biron
(Talbot in the next yr when Biron walks as a UFA) seems obvious w 1 way deal and it would be good to save some cap space in that spot if Tablot continues doing well)

McDonaugh, Girardi
Staal, Moore
Del Zotto, Stralman
Eminger( resign him on the cheap to spare )
McIrath as the first call up

C- Ricahrds, Stepan, Brassard, Boyle
( I keep BB if he's a 4th line Pker even if he's overpaid)

RW- Nash, Callahan, Miller, Dorsett, Haley
( Haley should spare next yr w a 1 way deal)

LW- Clowe, Zuccarello, Hagelin, Powe, Asham
(Clowe will resign and I think Zuccarello will to if he keeps being creative)

Kreider is the wild card. If he keeps doing well in CT then I think he will earn a spot but I'm not for rushing the kids as it didnt work this yr

Fasth- has a shot but a yr in CT wont hurt

Lindberg-same as Fasth

Newbury has another yr in CT

All the others can be grouped like Thomas, Yogan, Palmieri, Ferrerio,etc

I dont think they sign Mashinter, too many other options even though its only a 7th rounder to give up. They likely let vets like Segal go too.

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I don't think we'll go into next season with the exact same lineup as we have now, but I suppose they could if they wanted to.

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