HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > General Hockey Discussion > The History of Hockey
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

The History of Hockey Relive great moments in hockey history and discuss how the game has changed over time.

Billy Smith vs. Grant Fuhr

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
08-15-2006, 05:59 PM
  #1
arrbez
bad chi
 
arrbez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 13,013
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to arrbez
Billy Smith vs. Grant Fuhr

2 HOF goalies, who are always said to have "made the big save when it counted" (which secretly means that they would let in a first period stinker every once in a while )

Both backstopped dynasties to 4 Stanley Cups (I'm not sure if Fuhr technically won a 5th in 1990, but at any rate he didn't play).

Fuhr has a first and second team all star selection, Smith had a first team and a Conn Smyth. Both have a Vezina (in the modern sense of the trophy).

Who was better?

arrbez is offline  
Old
08-15-2006, 06:06 PM
  #2
Bring Back Bucky
Registered User
 
Bring Back Bucky's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Delicieux!
Country: Heard and McDonald Islands
Posts: 7,919
vCash: 968
Quote:
Originally Posted by arrbez View Post
2 HOF goalies, who are always said to have "made the big save when it counted" (which secretly means that they would let in a first period stinker every once in a while )

Both backstopped dynasties to 4 Stanley Cups (I'm not sure if Fuhr technically won a 5th in 1990, but at any rate he didn't play).

Fuhr has a first and second team all star selection, Smith had a first team and a Conn Smyth. Both have a Vezina (in the modern sense of the trophy).

Who was better?
Good question arrbez. Fuhr has that large faction of haters, but don't believe their shizzle- he was a great netminder who tended for a team who won with a style unlike any other. Smith was fantastic as well, though I always hated his guts. I can't choose.

Bring Back Bucky is offline  
Old
08-15-2006, 06:49 PM
  #3
Trottier
Very Random
 
Trottier's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: San Diego
Posts: 29,234
vCash: 500
Two great money goalies.

To me, Fuhr was the epitome of the anti-HF netminder.

That is, he didn't have the shiniest GA, Sv% and other individual stats for which some fans live for, and misguidedly use to judge netminders. (And, respectfully, regular season awards and the like are pretty meaningless when evaluating both of these guy's careers.)

All Fuhr did was make the save(s) that won games. Period. Consistently.

Billy Smith, to me, is the best playoff goalie ever, or at least in my lifetime. It is fair to say that were it not for his post-season play, he would not be in the HHOF. He was a solid NHL netminder, October-March. Come springtime, he was on another level altogether.

I'm with BBB - neither answer is wrong. (And that's not a copout.)

Trottier is offline  
Old
08-15-2006, 07:17 PM
  #4
Cawz
Registered User
 
Cawz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Oiler fan in Calgary
Country: Canada
Posts: 13,599
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by arrbez View Post
Who was better?
Good question. This is like the Sakic / Yzerman comparison. Its a tie.

Cawz is offline  
Old
08-15-2006, 07:34 PM
  #5
xeric716x
Born To Expire
 
xeric716x's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: New Jack City
Country: Antarctica
Posts: 10,921
vCash: 500
Fuhr in my opinion

xeric716x is offline  
Old
08-15-2006, 07:41 PM
  #6
Sens Rule
Registered User
 
Sens Rule's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Country: Canada
Posts: 22,331
vCash: 500
I'll take Chico and Moog.








As 2 of the best back-ups ever! Who was the better of those 2?

Sens Rule is offline  
Old
08-15-2006, 07:48 PM
  #7
VanIslander
Don't waste my time
 
VanIslander's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 24,558
vCash: 500
Good question. I too think it could be seen as a tie.

But he really impressed me his first year in St. Louis when Fuhr started all 79 games as a 34 year old before getting injured just before the playoffs. The next season too.

I think Fuhr, Smith and Brodeur are on par, made better because of the skaters in front of them, but very good in their own right. Brodeur has the stats because of Lou's defensive philosophy, and he is more consistent, less likely to let in the soft goal, but unlikely to make spectacular saves often either.

None of them are in the class of Roy, Hasek, Plante,... but no doubt they were WINNERS!

VanIslander is offline  
Old
08-15-2006, 08:13 PM
  #8
Ogopogo*
 
Ogopogo*'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Edmonton
Country: Canada
Posts: 15,951
vCash: 500
Fuhr is #21 on my list, Smith is #29. Their ratings are very close but Fuhr wins by a bit.

Ogopogo* is offline  
Old
08-15-2006, 08:51 PM
  #9
God Bless Canada
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Bentley reunion
Country: Canada
Posts: 11,793
vCash: 500
What? A relevant comparison thread of HF Boards? Nice work, arrbez.

To reiterate what was stated earlier, you can make a valid case for either goalie. And they're so similar in terms of their mentality: 6-0 win? Hey, that's great. 6-5 win? Hey, that's great. We won, right? That's all that matters. And when you needed that big save, or series of saves, in the third period, they were as close to a sure thing as there was in hockey. Gerry Cheevers is another goalie who only cared about one stat: winning.

I think if something were to push Fuhr over the top, it's the way he rebounded in the 1995-96 season. The two previous seasons were about as bad as it could get for an HHOF netminder. But I don't think there was a player who meant as much to his team's fortunes in 1995-96 than Grant Fuhr. (And no, I'm not the guy who gave Fuhr a first-place vote in Hart balloting that year). Fuhr was magnificent, showing the endurance and determination that were trademarks of his first few seasons in the league.

One of the things that's always amazed me about Smith was his regular season play. An all-star only once. Never won more than 32 games. Never played more than 58 games. But once the playoffs hit, the man was an unflappable winning machine.

God Bless Canada is offline  
Old
08-15-2006, 10:32 PM
  #10
arrbez
bad chi
 
arrbez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 13,013
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to arrbez
Quote:
Originally Posted by God Bless Canada View Post
What? A relevant comparison thread of HF Boards? Nice work, arrbez.
Just every once in a while, to mix things up

once you're done this, please post your oppinion in my Steve Yzerman vs. Felix Potvin thread...

arrbez is offline  
Old
08-15-2006, 11:39 PM
  #11
ScaredStreit
Registered User
 
ScaredStreit's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Tampa, FL
Posts: 7,822
vCash: 807
Two great goaltenders, both of them in my oppinion are heavily underrated. They each have backstopped dynasties-and they're still never even in the top 10 goalies of all time when people make the lists! I'd say it's a draw, but I'll go with Smith because of his postseason play, and well because I'm a little bias .

ScaredStreit is offline  
Old
08-15-2006, 11:43 PM
  #12
Slats432
Registered User
 
Slats432's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Country: Canada
Posts: 12,628
vCash: 500
As an Oiler fan, don't buy into the Fuhr hype. He made lots of big saves....but let in tons of softies.

Battlin Billy for me...in a walk.

Slats432 is offline  
Old
08-16-2006, 12:01 AM
  #13
jumptheshark
McDavid Headquarters
 
jumptheshark's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Lord of HFBOARDS
Country: United Nations
Posts: 72,950
vCash: 5769
I would love to say Fuhr

But he let alot of bad goals in and his off ice antics does hurt him

Billy NO BS SMith wins

and I am from Edmonton

__________________
**Avatar approved by the powers that be***

I am the KING of Alternative Facts as any hockey fan is
jumptheshark is online now  
Old
08-16-2006, 12:18 AM
  #14
Nalyd Psycho
Registered User
 
Nalyd Psycho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: No Bandwagon
Country: Canada
Posts: 24,340
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Damannnnaa View Post
Two great goaltenders, both of them in my oppinion are heavily underrated. They each have backstopped dynasties-and they're still never even in the top 10 goalies of all time when people make the lists! I'd say it's a draw, but I'll go with Smith because of his postseason play, and well because I'm a little bias .
Thing is, as good as they are, they really aren't top 10.

It's close for sure. Both two of the best clutch goalies. But, I have to go with Smith. Why? 1983. Smith was the leader and best player of a cup winning team. Fuhr never did that. Problem, in his prime, Fuhr never had to do that. But still, you have to judge players on what they did, and Smith lead a team to the cup while Fuhr enabled other players to lead them to a cup.

__________________
Every post comes with the Nalyd Psycho Seal of Approval.
Nalyd Psycho is offline  
Old
08-16-2006, 08:54 AM
  #15
Psycho Papa Joe
Porkchop Hoser
 
Psycho Papa Joe's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Cesspool, Ontario
Country: Canada
Posts: 23,349
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nalyd Psycho View Post
But, I have to go with Smith. Why? 1983. Smith was the leader and best player of a cup winning team. Fuhr never did that. Problem, in his prime, Fuhr never had to do that. But still, you have to judge players on what they did, and Smith lead a team to the cup while Fuhr enabled other players to lead them to a cup.
Agreed. Smith's 1983 playoff is the tie breaker for me. He held the Oilers, a team scoring well in excess of 5 goals a game to about 2 goals a game and swept them 4 straight. An absolutely incredible accomplishment, and probably the single greatest series I have ever seen a goalie play.

Psycho Papa Joe is offline  
Old
08-16-2006, 09:05 AM
  #16
Jimmi McJenkins
Sometimes Miracles
 
Jimmi McJenkins's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Alberta
Country: Canada
Posts: 46,532
vCash: 250
I'll say this

If I needed a starting goalie to ride for a season, I'll take Fuhr hands down.

If I needed to win one big game, I would take Smith

Jimmi McJenkins is offline  
Old
08-16-2006, 11:27 AM
  #17
Murphy
Registered User
 
Murphy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Edmonton
Country: Canada
Posts: 2,104
vCash: 500
What an interesting comparison. My favourite all-time goalie against my most disliked.

Head to head they had there battles and pretty much came out even. The nod for goes to Fuhr for his Canada Cup performances.

Murphy is offline  
Old
08-19-2006, 02:31 PM
  #18
Big Phil
Registered User
 
Big Phil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Country: Canada
Posts: 25,018
vCash: 500
Its tough. Fuhr won a Vezina in '88 and was also 2nd in Hart Trophy voting. Smith won a Vezina in '82. Fuhr as some people may not know has 423 wins and under 300 losses thats a great record. Smith has what might be the best winning % of any goalie all time in the playoffs (I'm not sure but I think). I like Smith's play in the '83 playoffs. He more than anyone stole that Cup from the Oilers.

But then you have 1987. We all remember the Canada Cup. ANd it is best remembered for the Gretzky to Lemieux pass and it should be. But in those final three games vs. the Soviets Fuhr was great. Sure it was three 6-5 games. But in Game 2 he was unstoppable in OT. That game went to double OT and if you remember the Soviets outplayed a tired Team Canada. Fuhr made save after save against all the SOviet stars, and with confidence too. Anyone who doubts he's a HOFer, should watch the tape of that game. He WASNT going to let in the winning goal. Sure there may have been times when he let in a goal he shouldnt have. But take a guy like Ron Hextall who may have a better career GAA but he let in some untimely soft goals in his career, FUhr I cant think of a time when he did.

But Fuhr vs. Smith. I still dont know. Flip a coin and hope it lands on its side

Big Phil is online now  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:26 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2017 All Rights Reserved.