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04-03-2013, 08:29 PM
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Given how much cap space we have and the fact we are 'going for the playoffs" I could see us move Pitts first for Stastny.
I would be okay with this to be honest. But I don't foresee it unless maybe the Avs pick another center at the draft with their top 5 pick.

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04-03-2013, 08:31 PM
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I would be okay with this to be honest. But I don't foresee it unless maybe the Avs pick another center at the draft with their top 5 pick.
Depends they have 15.1 million tied up in 3 centers and all 3 need new contracts in 14-15 and Stastny is a UFA.

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04-03-2013, 08:49 PM
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Depends they have 15.1 million tied up in 3 centers and all 3 need new contracts in 14-15 and Stastny is a UFA.
I think they wait until March to move him and hope to get a large payday.

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04-03-2013, 08:50 PM
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What do you think, if we get 1st overall and take Jones then if Barkov is free at #4 we trade Sven + mid pick for #4 pick to get Barkov. We then move Pitts first + for Stastny

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04-03-2013, 09:00 PM
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What do you think, if we get 1st overall and take Jones then if Barkov is free at #4 we trade Sven + mid pick for #4 pick to get Barkov. We then move Pitts first + for Stastny
No. No trading Sven.

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04-03-2013, 09:00 PM
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No. No trading Sven.
I'd trade him pretty easy for Barkov.

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04-03-2013, 09:01 PM
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What do you think, if we get 1st overall and take Jones then if Barkov is free at #4 we trade Sven + mid pick for #4 pick to get Barkov. We then move Pitts first + for Stastny
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No. No trading Sven.
I agree; don't want Statsny either, and I doubt the Avalanche will want to trade with Calgary if Calgary chooses Jones.

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04-03-2013, 09:02 PM
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I'd trade him pretty easy for Barkov.
I sure wouldn't. What does that say to future prospects? "Hey, thanks for everything but we're trading you so we can get someone even better!"

Sven is a top 10 prospect right now. I'd rather just develop him and see what he can do for us.

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04-03-2013, 09:03 PM
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I sure wouldn't. What does that say to future prospects? "Hey, thanks for everything but we're trading you so we can get someone even better!"
Whats the point in hanging on to a worse asset if you can get a better one?

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04-03-2013, 09:07 PM
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Whats the point in hanging on to a worse asset if you can get a better one?
It's a hell of a good way to demotivate players and not have ANYONE want to come to your team to play with that kind of managerial reputation.
It's not even a sports thing, it's how business should be conducted. Yes, one should look to improve their product but it's a bad idea to basically backstab an enthusiastic kid who wants to be here.

Demoting/trading players before they are given a chance... already screwed up with Irving and who knows how many others, but I don't want to see any more of that.

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04-03-2013, 09:08 PM
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It's a hell of a good way to demotivate players and not have ANYONE want to come to your team to play with that kind of managerial reputation.

Demoting/trading players before they are given a chance... already screwed up with Irving and who knows how many others.
Bingo.

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04-03-2013, 09:12 PM
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It's a hell of a good way to demotivate players and not have ANYONE want to come to your team to play with that kind of managerial reputation.
It's not even a sports thing, it's how business should be conducted. Yes, one should look to improve their product but it's a bad idea to basically backstab an enthusiastic kid who wants to be here.

Demoting/trading players before they are given a chance... already screwed up with Irving and who knows how many others, but I don't want to see any more of that.
Backstab? Teams trade prospects all the time and they are back stabbing them they are trying to make their teams better. Barkov > Sven we make that trade all day. Talk about overreacting.

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04-03-2013, 09:17 PM
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Backstab? Teams trade prospects all the time and they are back stabbing them they are trying to make their teams better. Barkov > Sven we make that trade all day. Talk about overreacting.
There's also the fact that Sven - drafted and has scored in the NHL - is more proven than Barkov at this point. I see your point but its a pretty shady way to do business, not to mention risky.

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04-03-2013, 09:20 PM
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There's also the fact that Sven - drafted and has scored in the NHL - is more proven than Barkov at this point. I see your point but its a pretty shady way to do business, not to mention risky.
Sven is fair from proven, it isn't shady will people not want to play for Washington now? What about NYR they traded Erixon, or CBJ traded Moore.

Prospects get traded all the time it isn't shady its business and players know that. I understand we love Sven but you guys are crazy to think that people will say well Calgary traded Sven clearly they don't like players.

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Backstab? Teams trade prospects all the time and they are back stabbing them they are trying to make their teams better. Barkov > Sven we make that trade all day. Talk about overreacting.
does barkov > sven plus 20th overall? i'd take sven and the 20th

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Backstab? Teams trade prospects all the time and they are back stabbing them they are trying to make their teams better. Barkov > Sven we make that trade all day. Talk about overreacting.
Trading prospects that have showed commitment and have played for the club is a rare thing and isn't viewed as a smart PR move either unless the return is literally fantastic, a la Nieuwendyk for Iginla.

People are calling Yzerman an idiot for trading Conacher for Bishop. Bishop isn't a terrible return but when you trade a contending Calder player, it's not smart nor is it warranted.

Forsberg has yet to play a game in the big leagues, so he's exempt but even then a top-3 prospect in a team's cupboards being traded to move up in a draft is rare and that's not even what happened with Washington.

Sure, players throw around prospects all the time, but rarely to directly use them as a stepping stone. It's all about the PR. Remember how Edmonton had terrible times to get players to sign through FA about 5 years ago? Do you want to be the new team who will have those problems?

The NHLPA stand up for each other when bad managerial situations occur in the NHL and I for one, do not want to see the Flames on their bad side beginning with Bartschi.

You're entitled to your opinion but it's viewed as a bad business practice regardless of this debate.

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04-03-2013, 11:44 PM
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Sven is fair from proven, it isn't shady will people not want to play for Washington now? What about NYR they traded Erixon, or CBJ traded Moore.

Prospects get traded all the time it isn't shady its business and players know that. I understand we love Sven but you guys are crazy to think that people will say well Calgary traded Sven clearly they don't like players.
Teams usually trade prospects for established NHLers to a rebuilding team. Trading your top prospect for another prospect doesn't make much sense while in this case Barkov looks good, but we have no idea that he's going to be better then Baertschi and vice verse for the team with the draft pick.

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04-04-2013, 11:19 AM
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lol @ trading Sven for Barkov.

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04-04-2013, 11:22 AM
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Why the hell would we trade Sven who seems to love Calgary as much as we love him?

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People showing how green they are proposing some silly trades lol.

Rebuilding the right way: trading great prospects for other prospects apparently.

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People showing how green they are proposing some silly trades lol.

Rebuilding the right way: trading great prospects for other prospects apparently.
Teams have done this before, its not the norm but has happened and it was just an idea.

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does barkov > sven plus 20th overall? i'd take sven and the 20th
I agree. Lots of great players have come from the 20-30 range, (cherry picked example, Giroux@22) and I think our future is better with sven + 20th-30th pick than Barkov alone.

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04-04-2013, 03:36 PM
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I have a Sven Jersey therefore he can't be traded!!!



Crap I have an Iggy one too I guess Sven's gone now

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What do you think, if we get 1st overall and take Jones then if Barkov is free at #4 we trade Sven + mid pick for #4 pick to get Barkov. We then move Pitts first + for Stastny

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Your telling me you think Sven + 4th round pick is going to be better than Barkov?

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