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04-03-2013, 08:14 PM
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God no, Gio is a #2 defenseman, Brodie is a young top 4 defenseman and 1st for 2nd. We would love another top 5 pick but not at that price.
I'd say on a good team, Gio is a number 3 dman and Brodie should max out at top 4. I'd honestly love to keep Brodie so it'd be nice if we could sub someone in for him. Gio and late picks are replacable, Mackinnon/Drouin together comes once in a lifetime. I'd do it.

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04-03-2013, 08:17 PM
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I'd say on a good team, Gio is a number 3 dman and Brodie should max out at top 4. I'd honestly love to keep Brodie so it'd be nice if we could sub someone in for him. Gio and late picks are replacable, Mackinnon/Drouin together comes once in a lifetime. I'd do it.
Agree about Gio on a top team he is a #3 but on the vast majority he is a #2. Brodie is already a #4 and he has the tools become a #2 defenseman.

Again we aren't going to do a real rebuild we are going to be trying for the playoffs again next year (I know it is crazy) and Gio and Brodie are to important to that.

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04-03-2013, 08:20 PM
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Agree about Gio on a top team he is a #3 but on the vast majority he is a #2. Brodie is already a #4 and he has the tools become a #2 defenseman.

Again we aren't going to do a real rebuild we are going to be trying for the playoffs again next year (I know it is crazy) and Gio and Brodie are to important to that.
OT but aren't some people saying that ownership only said that as a way to tell the players to not get used to losing and what not?

and alright what about something along the lines of Gio, Reinhart, Pit 1st, Stl 1st for the second overall pick. If we're still talking about the scenario that guy mentioned.

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There have been only two trades consisting of only picks that involved the top 5 in the past decade. Teams do not move a #5 for a #15 and a #25, for example.


Draft day trades, picks for picks only -- no players or prospects involved:

2012 Draft

#14 for #21, #42

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2011 Draft

#22 for #30, #39
#24 for #35, #48

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2010 Draft

#15 for #19, #59
#22, #113 for #27, #57
#30 for #35, #58

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2009 Draft

#12 for #16, #77, #181

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2008 Draft

#5, #37* for #7, #68*
#12 for #13, #74*
#15 for #18, #70
#21 for #23, #54
#23 for #24, #73

* 2009 picks

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2007 Draft

#9 for #13, #44, #87*
#16 for #19, #42
#18 for #24, #70

* 2008 picks

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2006 Draft

#16 for #20, #53
#25 for #30, #77
#29, #152 for #41, #47

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2005 Draft

#8 for #12, #49, #207
#12 for #16, #41
#20 for #29, #41*
#27 for #47, #52

* 2006 pick

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2004 Draft

#4 for #8, #59
#19, #247 for #24, #46
#20 for #22, #88
#22, #153 for #28, #52, #91

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2003 Draft

#16 for #21, #66, #107
#17 for #22, #68
#25 for #34, #41, #192
#28 for #36, #54

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2004 Draft

#4 for #8, #59
Interesting. Thanks for sharing. I'd say that if an 8th overall pick and a late 2nd can get a 4th, then a mid 1st, late 1st and A-B prospect could get a 4th or 5th in a good draft.

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Interesting. Thanks for sharing. I'd say that if an 8th overall pick and a late 2nd can get a 4th, then a mid 1st, late 1st and A-B prospect could get a 4th or 5th in a good draft.
So you think two of Columbus's 1sts+a prospect is fair for your 1st then?

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Would you trade all 3 first rounders for #1 pick overall? (assuming they pick #5 or worse).

If they pick #3, I would not, druin jones mc are all #1 overall picks in most drafts.

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So you think two of Columbus's 1sts+a prospect is fair for your 1st then?
Columbus's firsts and Atkinson. Perhaps. Probably not though... I see your point

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Would you trade all 3 first rounders for #1 pick overall?
Would I add the ~20th and ~30th picks to move up 1 or 2 spots in the draft?

No.

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Columbus's firsts and Atkinson. Perhaps. Probably not though... I see your point
Exactly. Your said Pittsburgh+Blues 1st+A/B prospect for a top 5 1st...would you accept Rangers+Kings 1st+A/B prospect for your 1st? Didn't think so.

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Exactly. Your said Pittsburgh+Blues 1st+A/B prospect for a top 5 1st...would you accept Rangers+Kings 1st+A/B prospect for your 1st? Didn't think so.
Fair enough but the thing is, if we were to offer Baertschi, it'd be more like 2 1sts and Ryan Murray, which I would really think about doing...

That would be 4 mid picks in a great draft and a blue chip prospect, which could end up as 2 blue chips and 3 A propects at the cost of 1 potential future star.


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Fair enough but the thing is, if we were to offer Baertschi, it'd be more like 2 1sts and Ryan Murray, which I would really think about doing...
Murray was a 2nd overall pick last year....I think he holds more value than Baertschi.

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Maybe it depends, the Avs might as Sven fits with their team now. Just depends, if Barkov is there at 4 and said team was willing to do it I would pull the trigger.
Avs need defense.
No way we trade out of the Top3. Maybe if we pick 4th or 5th.
But you would have to blow us away...

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04-03-2013, 08:57 PM
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Murray was a 2nd overall pick last year....I think he holds more value than Baertschi.
On the HF rankings, Baertschi is 9, Murray is 12. I'd say pretty similar.

You have a good point but IMO, I'd say drafting 2 A propects and a blue chip one might be worth dealing your 4th/5th pick. Obviously, I'm not an Avs fan so I can't speak for you guys though...

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Currently, the Flames have 3 1sts. One in the top 5, St Louis', which will be around 16-20, and Pittsburgh's, which will be 25th-30th.

Since the next opportunity to make any deals is during the draft, I was wondering if any teams in the top 5 would be willing to deal that pick to the Flames for something.

I don't know if this is thread worthy or not but I'm just trying to get the value it would take. So Florida, Avs, Sabres, Lightning, Flyers fans, what would you guys want?

I would do something around Bottom two 1sts, a third, and a B prospect.

You arent going to get another top 5 besides your own. Just isnt going to happen in this years draft when there is 5 players that stand out.

Calgary doesnt have the young high quality assets they could give up to move picks.

What you might be able to do is move the St Louis pick into the top 8-12 to target a certain player you want.

The only potentially conceivable trade that could happen....

say Calgary was at 4th and 16th (St Louis)
Buffalo was at 2nd and 21st (Minnesota)

Calgary and buffalo could flip picks contingent on players being there they targeted.

In all honesty Buffalo May not want to pick MacKinnon given their Centre depth. They are interested in Drouin who they could get a 4th. They know MacKinnon is wanted by many.

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I would do Sven + mid pick for a top 5 pick but I don't think any team takes that.
the draft is top 5 are all strong---then there is a drop. So to move up into that from outside will cost teams heavily.

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Interesting. Thanks for sharing. I'd say that if an 8th overall pick and a late 2nd can get a 4th, then a mid 1st, late 1st and A-B prospect could get a 4th or 5th in a good draft.
Not in this years draft. Other drafts sure.

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What would be the cost for the flames to move up to the 8-12 range?

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Columbus's firsts and Atkinson. Perhaps. Probably not though... I see your point
I don't think Atkinson is comparable to baertschi at the moment. The only prospect I see being similar to baertschi is Murray. If the trade is LA and NYR 1st for ours, I would probably do it.

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What would be the cost for the flames to move up to the 8-12 range?
Probably the mid first and our second but we dont have one... So maybe if we were dealing with a 10th place team, STL (18) and pens (30) pick for a 1st (10) and 2nd (40)

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Interesting. Thanks for sharing. I'd say that if an 8th overall pick and a late 2nd can get a 4th, then a mid 1st, late 1st and A-B prospect could get a 4th or 5th in a good draft.
Bear in mind that that was a Doug MacLean trade and therefore not necessarily a reasonable reference point. That was when he gave up a chance at Andrew Ladd in favor of Alexandre Picard - the forward, not the defenseman.

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Columbus's firsts and Atkinson. Perhaps. Probably not though... I see your point
...and honestly, our response to that would be along the lines of "lol go jump in a lake".

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Fair enough but the thing is, if we were to offer Baertschi, it'd be more like 2 1sts and Ryan Murray, which I would really think about doing...
Lord G-d Almighty, hon. There are precisely three and only three names that would make us consider moving Murray, and two of them play for a future division rival about 150-200 miles due east.

Nothing against Baertschi; it's just that Murray is considered our best shot at a regular Norris winner among many, many blueliners in the system.

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I don't think Atkinson is comparable to baertschi at the moment. The only prospect I see being similar to baertschi is Murray. If the trade is LA and NYR 1st for ours, I would probably do it.
Moving two picks to get into the top-5 would be something we would nominally be willing to do.

Don't ask about Murray, though. It will not go well.

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Bear in mind that that was a Doug MacLean trade and therefore not necessarily a reasonable reference point. That was when he gave up a chance at Andrew Ladd in favor of Alexandre Picard - the forward, not the defenseman.

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...and honestly, our response to that would be along the lines of "lol go jump in a lake".

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Lord G-d Almighty, hon. There are precisely three and only three names that would make us consider moving Murray, and two of them play for a future division rival about 150-200 miles due east.

Nothing against Baertschi; it's just that Murray is considered our best shot at a regular Norris winner among many, many blueliners in the system.

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Moving two picks to get into the top-5 would be something we would nominally be willing to do.

Don't ask about Murray, though. It will not go well.
Well, it's likely gonna take Murray and 2 1st to pry that top pick away from Calgary. And since u guys arnt keen on trading Murray then there's no point discussing it.

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would a 18th (stl) + 30th (pit) move the flames up into 9/10? I'm just wondering because if the flames get a top3 pick they can draft a #1 center like mackinnon or barkov and then draft a guy like pulock to be a top line RHD

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No way you're getting the Avs 1st rounder. When they're tanking, they're tanking. First Duchene, then Landy, now probably Jones.

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Currently, the Flames have 3 1sts. One in the top 5, St Louis', which will be around 16-20, and Pittsburgh's, which will be 25th-30th.
Blues pick is a protected pick. If the 'Note fail to make the 2013 playoffs, a real possibility, the 2013 1st round pick remains with the Blues and Calgary then gets the Blues 2014 1st round pick instead.

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