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04-01-2013, 02:58 PM
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A stupid question from yet another annoying Norwegian: Would anyone drop the gloves on Zuke? It might look a bit silly, especially if it's a proper fighter. And for a normal player they might even get some resistance as he is a tough little sicilian smurf, hitting from below / nut height.
Tootoo would do it

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175 cm (5 ft 9) Makes sense.

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I don't think it's a coincidence that the grittiest Ranger team in recent memory (up and down the roster) was the most successful in 15 years.

We don't need more John Scotts. But I would take all the Prusts and Dubis (no not actually Dubi at 4.5M) Sather can get his hands on. Much easier said than done, to be sure.

I really hope McIlrath can change the culture at some point (yes, while also being able to play a sound game in his own end). Really an unfair expectation but it is what it is.
Agreed.

I think Prusts and Dubinskys really get a team going and indirectly lead to an easier time scoring goals. Our team last season looked so much more relaxed and much more confident, even when we went through periods where we had trouble scoring.

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04-03-2013, 09:58 PM
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Don Cherry Was Right

he said a while back this team lacked toughness losing prust, nobody was scared of them, easy to play

now with clowe and other depth players they have that back, they got that forward depth and toughness they need

i know its only one game but it really showed tonight this team now has that "sparkplug" inserted and dumped a overpaid softie

this team imo will get back to what they had last year, maybe even better is richards steps up and staal returns

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04-03-2013, 10:09 PM
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he said a while back this team lacked toughness losing prust, nobody was scared of them, easy to play

now with clowe and other depth players they have that back, they got that forward depth and toughness they need

i know its only one game but it really showed tonight this team now has that "sparkplug" inserted and dumped a overpaid softie

this team imo will get back to what they had last year, maybe even better is richards steps up and staal returns


There's no need to insult Gaborik here. He really gave his all and was working his best in a system that did not fit him at all. Even so he made adjustments to a more Ranger-esque style of play, particularly with learning to score garbage goals. Yes he underperformed this year, and yes this trade is probably better off for us, but Gabby deserves respect for what he's done overall here. I'll always remember him for this one.



In reference to the main point of the topic regarding toughness, yes Don Cherry was right. I remember rock bottom being pushed around by Lars Eller in Montreal.

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04-03-2013, 10:12 PM
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he said a while back this team lacked toughness losing prust, nobody was scared of them, easy to play

now with clowe and other depth players they have that back, they got that forward depth and toughness they need

i know its only one game but it really showed tonight this team now has that "sparkplug" inserted and dumped a overpaid softie

this team imo will get back to what they had last year, maybe even better is richards steps up and staal returns
LOL at the overpaid softie. Everyone who is overpaid is seemingly a softie to many. But I think most sensible people show leniency for a 40 goal scorer when it comes to "softness." The rangers went to game 6 of the ECF with that "softie" in the lineup. He scored big goals during the year and in the playoffs. Get off your high horse.

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04-03-2013, 10:22 PM
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Seriously, this thread after one game? (Albeit an amazing game).

Do Rangers fan enjoy being disappointed? I know OP said it's only one game, but we can't come to any conclusions after just ONE game.

Let's give it a week.

Very promising game though, so much fun to watch.

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I stopped reading at "Don Cherry was right"

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04-03-2013, 10:48 PM
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Seriously, this thread after one game? (Albeit an amazing game).

Do Rangers fan enjoy being disappointed? I know OP said it's only one game, but we can't come to any conclusions after just ONE game.

Let's give it a week.

Very promising game though, so much fun to watch.
You're right that one game doesn't mean anything, but we did have 35 games that proved that we had become as soft as ice cream. It had to be addressed. Ironically, it was a mess that management created in the first place.

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Dorsett will be your new Prust. Underrated acquisition.

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Dorsett will be your new Prust. Underrated acquisition.
He's been underrated his whole career, going back to the 2006 draft.

Out of the 3 assets we got back I was most surprised to see his name. Anyone that has watched him knows he's a good player, max effort all the time. Surprised Jarmo would deal him, but they have plenty of assets to acquire a similar player.

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LOL at the overpaid softie. Everyone who is overpaid is seemingly a softie to many. But I think most sensible people show leniency for a 40 goal scorer when it comes to "softness." The rangers went to game 6 of the ECF with that "softie" in the lineup. He scored big goals during the year and in the playoffs. Get off your high horse.
Not to mention he was playing the entire length of the playoffs with a torn rotator cuff. He earned a lot of points in my book for that.

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I cant wait for next year..Right off the bat we will have,

McIlrath
Clowe
Dorsett
maybe Asham??

Top 3 toughest team in the NHL....AND they can all play the game!

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04-04-2013, 09:28 AM
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2 days ago we were the softest. Now we're supposed to be one of the toughest.

Whatever. I'll be really happy to see blue-collar hockey played by tough players again.

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I have to say, I am a VERY happy Ranger fan today after the moves they made. I am glad Gorton and co. understand the need for some more toughness and sandpaper throughout the line-up.

Clowe
Asham
Dorsett

Love it. And they can all play the game and contribute in other facets which is EXACTLY what I have been wanting for years.

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04-04-2013, 09:48 AM
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Callahan
Clowe
Dorsset
Boyle (depending on the night)

Even Hags, Step, and Nash can be mighty physical.

And those are all good players.

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Who said today we are one of the toughest? If we get Dorsett back this year and send out Clowe,Dorsett and Asham on a nighlty basis we will be,but only when Dorsett is back..Add Big Mac next year and we challenge Bruins for meanest in league..All badass dude who can play..My dream has come true.




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2 days ago we were the softest. Now we're supposed to be one of the toughest.

Whatever. I'll be really happy to see blue-collar hockey played by tough players again.

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As much as I am a fan of pure skill, I've always understood how well it's complimented by toughness. The NHL is a physical first league. Rarely can a team over come the physical element without a proper response.

I loved Gabby for his skill, but his mental toughness was severely lacking this year. Well below what it was in years past. He wanted out and it showed in terms of who he was on the ice this year. His team mates liked and respected him, but he's never been known as a guy to glue the locker room together.

Herb Brooks always said " I want the right players, not just the best players." Did we take a step in that direction yesterday. Don't know yet. But I think so.

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I don't get the Doresett/Prust comparison iah

Prust was well composed and a penalty killer, was a defensive tactical fighter. Had some speed and was good around the net. Through his body around a decent amount, and was a good shot blocker.

Dorsett is a player that plays with reckless abandon (in the best way possible), can penalty kill if needed, and is a heavily offensive fighter. Takes WAY more dumb penalties then Prust, but mostly as a result of his game. Also, is a more violent hitter.

Yes they are in the same weight class and Dorsett will end up slotting into the same role, but Dorsett is more along the lines of a Haley with much better hands. (btw good bye Haley, I never new yah ) Prust is a more dependable player, but Dorsett has some more spark.

Overall, I'm happy.

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04-04-2013, 01:10 PM
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It's not a comparison that gives you a mirror image. Different players. But in terms of overall toughness, compete level, dedication to team mates. They are very similar.

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Dorsett will be your new Prust. Underrated acquisition.
Hearing nothing but good things about him. Can't wait until he's all healed up.

I too, like that the front office addressed the need for team toughness. We really did need some MOAR JAM.

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It's not a comparison that gives you a mirror image. Different players. But in terms of overall toughness, compete level, dedication to team mates. They are very similar.
thats all you can ask for out of an NHL player.. toughness is everything.. it dictates the pace of the game.. makes opposing teams know theyre in for a 60min battle.. i love it.. you need a ton of heart and physicalness to play this game..

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I don't get the Doresett/Prust comparison iah

Prust was well composed and a penalty killer, was a defensive tactical fighter. Had some speed and was good around the net. Through his body around a decent amount, and was a good shot blocker.

Dorsett is a player that plays with reckless abandon (in the best way possible), can penalty kill if needed, and is a heavily offensive fighter. Takes WAY more dumb penalties then Prust, but mostly as a result of his game. Also, is a more violent hitter.

Yes they are in the same weight class and Dorsett will end up slotting into the same role, but Dorsett is more along the lines of a Haley with much better hands. (btw good bye Haley, I never new yah ) Prust is a more dependable player, but Dorsett has some more spark.

Overall, I'm happy.
Prust wasnt anything before torts coached him up.. what makes you think he can't coach up doresett?? both came in here at the same age of 26.. With all the praise we've heard about this guy, hes a winner!

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2 days ago we were the softest. Now we're supposed to be one of the toughest.

Whatever. I'll be really happy to see blue-collar hockey played by tough players again.
You should check out some Clowe fights.

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You should check out some Clowe fights.
Perhaps it's because he's been out west, but I really didn't realize what a good fighter he is. Rarely loses.

Definitely good to have. Don't want him taking on the John Scott's of the world, but it's good that he can.

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