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Does it matter? They won. If they lost 6-1 what would you say? Well it's the Pens, the best team in the East? I don't think so.
It matters if they plan on beating them again on Friday and potentially in round one of the playoffs. If they never played them again all year, you would be right.

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In this game the Czech line would have all had hat tricks. Every player for us in this game looked very good, that tells me our guys went from zero to a hundred overnight, OR we were amped off trades, played a tired uninspired team who happens to be missing the worlds best player, and Malkin is like a walking dead cast member currently.

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No, it looks like people weren't being put into places they shouldn't be. Brassard in the middle allows you to stretch the lineup. I have always liked the kid's skillset. And, Clowe seemed to give Richards more space than he's had all season, (kind of what I was hoping Dubinsky was going to do for him last year.) Yes, the Pens looked awful, but the Rangers also played a smart and disciplined, yet aggressive game.

Plus, do the Rangers not get points for not having Staal in the lineup? They're not at full strength, either.

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No, it looks like people weren't being put into places they shouldn't be. Brassard in the middle allows you to stretch the lineup. I have always liked the kid's skillset. And, Clowe seemed to give Richards more space than he's had all season, (kind of what I was hoping Dubinsky was going to do for him last year.) Yes, the Pens looked awful, but the Rangers also played a smart and disciplined, yet aggressive game.

Plus, do the Rangers not get points for not having Staal in the lineup? They're not at full strength, either.
Staal offsets it a bit but come on, that game was a classic throw away, not even close. The Rangers were amped from the trade, they played as a unit, but I never once felt like that unit was being challenged. pens came out flat and took lazy penalties.

Richards got manhandled a few times in the third, like someone pointed out earlier, that line faded as the game went on, but they didn't need to do anything else, game was over at the opening drop

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that should be the pregame talk everygame from here on it...

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even before tns amazing game in a while for the rangers.. the trade looked good, wish we had a first.. but if these guys could just come in here and be effective players, not so much on the score board but just provide depth and support.. this trade is huge for us.. best thing is all the guys we acquired are all young guys under 26yrs old.. thats huge, especially since they havent reached potential yet is key!!

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even before tns amazing game in a while for the rangers.. the trade looked good, wish we had a first.. but if these guys could just come in here and be effective players, not so much on the score board but just provide depth and support.. this trade is huge for us.. best thing is all the guys we acquired are all young guys under 26yrs old.. thats huge, especially since they havent reached potential yet is key!!
Brassard is the one that needed a change of scenery. i think he can break out here like Voracek did for the Flyers.. prove me right

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Columbus fan coming to weigh in. You guys got some of the most like-able players from our roster. Saw the player discussion threads but felt this was the best place to give an opinion on all three guys.

Brassard- Taken 6th overall 2 GMs ago. Was a highly-touted, dynamic, high-scoring junior player. Expectations were high from the start. Played well in his time in the AHL, and gave a sense of his potential not just there, but in his rookie season that saw him post 25 points in 32 games at the NHL level. Got his shoulder ripped out of socket in a fight with James Neal, and he never looked the same really. During those 32 games he was hands down our best player. Even over Nash. Showed heart, and creativity that we had hoped for.

Since then, it's been a different story. He's hinted at being the player that we saw, but couldn't keep it together. Was in Hitch's doghouse, and couldn't put up anything offensively. Hitch got fired, and Claude Noel stepped in as interim coach. Brassard's game took off under Noel. He was everywhere. Then we let go of Noel in lieu of Scott Arniel. Brassard disappeared again under Arniel, and subsequently was in another coach's doghouse. Arniel was replaced with Richards at the halfway point last year, and Brassard ended the season once again picking up his play. IIRC he recorded 29 points in his final 33 games.

So you can see how he can be a maddening player for fans. Oozes skill, but only would show up in that way every now and then, and doesn't really bring much in other facets of the games. His spikes in production came at the end of two different seasons while in the midst of two coaching changes. Enigmatic to say the least. This season he has merely been serviceable, not reaching the point production levels that we've seen, yet not in the doghouse while being a good teammate. He's a great guy, and I'm sad for him to go mostly because he seemed to want to be part of the culture change. Gave a very heartfelt interview at the end of our 2-1 OT win against Anaheim on Sunday, saying how much they wanted to get to the post-season. However, it seems like he will be a good fit in NY, and I was happy to see him have a big night tonight.

John Moore- Wonderful kid. Week to the day older than me, so for whatever reason I've always liked him. He's an intelligent person. Great at interviewing, and a very ernest and humble guy. You want players like Johnny to succeed. He has a great head on his shoulders.

He's as fluid of a skater as you'll see. He doesn't have the best mind for the game, so his skating ability really helps him. He has other great tools – he's a good passer and has improved his d-zone play leaps and bounds. He was touted as a smooth offensive defenseman early on, but he's turned his development into a capable puck mover who doesn't do much offensively, but is reliable in his own zone. Wish he would use his shot more, however. He won the hardest shot competition while he was in Kitchener (I believe he clocked in at 98 mph), but you wouldn't ever know that by watching him play because he's simply not a shooter, as nice as it was to see him score tonight.

All in all, he's a guy you want to do well, and he's got the tools and the mindset that a pro needs to be successful. Probably doesn't have top-pairing potential anymore, but certainly is a guy who won't hurt you on your 2nd pair.

Derek Dorsett- This was the biggest shocker. Half-expected Moore and Brassard to be on the move, as we have depth on defense and Brassard was simply expendable to upgrade our scoring. Dorsett on the other hand was one of the biggest locker room presences that our organization has ever had. Always played with heart, and ALWAYS stuck up for teammates. Developed a surprising scoring touch last season, and now has potential to hit 20 goals sometime in his career. It was such a shot to the gut when he went out for the season. Seemed like our team came together to win games for him in a way.

He will undoubtedly lead your team in PIMs when he returns, and could wear an "A". Our fans always thought that he took bone-headed penalties, which, yes he did, but it was always out of grit and will. He's a guy that will do anything to win, and is actually a very good penalty killer. Another guy who wanted to be here for the culture change, and it's sad to see him gone.

With all things considered, I'm happy for both sides. You guys got some of the heart and soul depth that you lost in the Nash trade, and I'm happy to have a dynamic player in Gaborik. I said in the thread on our boards, but I think this gives Ryan Johansen a great opportunity to prove that he's the player that we all expect. He's really needed a proven scorer like Gaborik to capitalize on the beautiful plays that he creates. I think both teams will be very comparable next year, and am very excited to see you guys in our division next year!

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Columbus fan coming to weigh in. You guys got some of the most like-able players from our roster. Saw the player discussion threads but felt this was the best place to give an opinion on all three guys.

Brassard- Taken 6th overall 2 GMs ago. Was a highly-touted, dynamic, high-scoring junior player. Expectations were high from the start. Played well in his time in the AHL, and gave a sense of his potential not just there, but in his rookie season that saw him post 25 points in 32 games at the NHL level. Got his shoulder ripped out of socket in a fight with James Neal, and he never looked the same really. During those 32 games he was hands down our best player. Even over Nash. Showed heart, and creativity that we had hoped for.

Since then, it's been a different story. He's hinted at being the player that we saw, but couldn't keep it together. Was in Hitch's doghouse, and couldn't put up anything offensively. Hitch got fired, and Claude Noel stepped in as interim coach. Brassard's game took off under Noel. He was everywhere. Then we let go of Noel in lieu of Scott Arniel. Brassard disappeared again under Arniel, and subsequently was in another coach's doghouse. Arniel was replaced with Richards at the halfway point last year, and Brassard ended the season once again picking up his play. IIRC he recorded 29 points in his final 33 games.

So you can see how he can be a maddening player for fans. Oozes skill, but only would show up in that way every now and then, and doesn't really bring much in other facets of the games. His spikes in production came at the end of two different seasons while in the midst of two coaching changes. Enigmatic to say the least. This season he has merely been serviceable, not reaching the point production levels that we've seen, yet not in the doghouse while being a good teammate. He's a great guy, and I'm sad for him to go mostly because he seemed to want to be part of the culture change. Gave a very heartfelt interview at the end of our 2-1 OT win against Anaheim on Sunday, saying how much they wanted to get to the post-season. However, it seems like he will be a good fit in NY, and I was happy to see him have a big night tonight.

John Moore- Wonderful kid. Week to the day older than me, so for whatever reason I've always liked him. He's an intelligent person. Great at interviewing, and a very ernest and humble guy. You want players like Johnny to succeed. He has a great head on his shoulders.

He's as fluid of a skater as you'll see. He doesn't have the best mind for the game, so his skating ability really helps him. He has other great tools he's a good passer and has improved his d-zone play leaps and bounds. He was touted as a smooth offensive defenseman early on, but he's turned his development into a capable puck mover who doesn't do much offensively, but is reliable in his own zone. Wish he would use his shot more, however. He won the hardest shot competition while he was in Kitchener (I believe he clocked in at 98 mph), but you wouldn't ever know that by watching him play because he's simply not a shooter, as nice as it was to see him score tonight.

All in all, he's a guy you want to do well, and he's got the tools and the mindset that a pro needs to be successful. Probably doesn't have top-pairing potential anymore, but certainly is a guy who won't hurt you on your 2nd pair.

Derek Dorsett- This was the biggest shocker. Half-expected Moore and Brassard to be on the move, as we have depth on defense and Brassard was simply expendable to upgrade our scoring. Dorsett on the other hand was one of the biggest locker room presences that our organization has ever had. Always played with heart, and ALWAYS stuck up for teammates. Developed a surprising scoring touch last season, and now has potential to hit 20 goals sometime in his career. It was such a shot to the gut when he went out for the season. Seemed like our team came together to win games for him in a way.

He will undoubtedly lead your team in PIMs when he returns, and could wear an "A". Our fans always thought that he took bone-headed penalties, which, yes he did, but it was always out of grit and will. He's a guy that will do anything to win, and is actually a very good penalty killer. Another guy who wanted to be here for the culture change, and it's sad to see him gone.

With all things considered, I'm happy for both sides. You guys got some of the heart and soul depth that you lost in the Nash trade, and I'm happy to have a dynamic player in Gaborik. I said in the thread on our boards, but I think this gives Ryan Johansen a great opportunity to prove that he's the player that we all expect. He's really needed a proven scorer like Gaborik to capitalize on the beautiful plays that he creates. I think both teams will be very comparable next year, and am very excited to see you guys in our division next year!

thanks i hope Gaborik does well for you. his time has ended here. he has played well. you guys are getting a goal scorer and a guy who is streaky but when he is on he is on... i love Dorsett. one of my favorite players when he was on the Jackets.. i also like Boll. i was kinda hoping for him as part of the deal. i like what i seen from Moore. havent seen much of him. i feel Brassard will breakout here like Voracek did in Phily.. good deal for both teams.

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Columbus fan coming to weigh in. You guys got some of the most like-able players from our roster. Saw the player discussion threads but felt this was the best place to give an opinion on all three guys.

Brassard- Taken 6th overall 2 GMs ago. Was a highly-touted, dynamic, high-scoring junior player. Expectations were high from the start. Played well in his time in the AHL, and gave a sense of his potential not just there, but in his rookie season that saw him post 25 points in 32 games at the NHL level. Got his shoulder ripped out of socket in a fight with James Neal, and he never looked the same really. During those 32 games he was hands down our best player. Even over Nash. Showed heart, and creativity that we had hoped for.

Since then, it's been a different story. He's hinted at being the player that we saw, but couldn't keep it together. Was in Hitch's doghouse, and couldn't put up anything offensively. Hitch got fired, and Claude Noel stepped in as interim coach. Brassard's game took off under Noel. He was everywhere. Then we let go of Noel in lieu of Scott Arniel. Brassard disappeared again under Arniel, and subsequently was in another coach's doghouse. Arniel was replaced with Richards at the halfway point last year, and Brassard ended the season once again picking up his play. IIRC he recorded 29 points in his final 33 games.

So you can see how he can be a maddening player for fans. Oozes skill, but only would show up in that way every now and then, and doesn't really bring much in other facets of the games. His spikes in production came at the end of two different seasons while in the midst of two coaching changes. Enigmatic to say the least. This season he has merely been serviceable, not reaching the point production levels that we've seen, yet not in the doghouse while being a good teammate. He's a great guy, and I'm sad for him to go mostly because he seemed to want to be part of the culture change. Gave a very heartfelt interview at the end of our 2-1 OT win against Anaheim on Sunday, saying how much they wanted to get to the post-season. However, it seems like he will be a good fit in NY, and I was happy to see him have a big night tonight.

John Moore- Wonderful kid. Week to the day older than me, so for whatever reason I've always liked him. He's an intelligent person. Great at interviewing, and a very ernest and humble guy. You want players like Johnny to succeed. He has a great head on his shoulders.

He's as fluid of a skater as you'll see. He doesn't have the best mind for the game, so his skating ability really helps him. He has other great tools he's a good passer and has improved his d-zone play leaps and bounds. He was touted as a smooth offensive defenseman early on, but he's turned his development into a capable puck mover who doesn't do much offensively, but is reliable in his own zone. Wish he would use his shot more, however. He won the hardest shot competition while he was in Kitchener (I believe he clocked in at 98 mph), but you wouldn't ever know that by watching him play because he's simply not a shooter, as nice as it was to see him score tonight.

All in all, he's a guy you want to do well, and he's got the tools and the mindset that a pro needs to be successful. Probably doesn't have top-pairing potential anymore, but certainly is a guy who won't hurt you on your 2nd pair.

Derek Dorsett- This was the biggest shocker. Half-expected Moore and Brassard to be on the move, as we have depth on defense and Brassard was simply expendable to upgrade our scoring. Dorsett on the other hand was one of the biggest locker room presences that our organization has ever had. Always played with heart, and ALWAYS stuck up for teammates. Developed a surprising scoring touch last season, and now has potential to hit 20 goals sometime in his career. It was such a shot to the gut when he went out for the season. Seemed like our team came together to win games for him in a way.

He will undoubtedly lead your team in PIMs when he returns, and could wear an "A". Our fans always thought that he took bone-headed penalties, which, yes he did, but it was always out of grit and will. He's a guy that will do anything to win, and is actually a very good penalty killer. Another guy who wanted to be here for the culture change, and it's sad to see him gone.

With all things considered, I'm happy for both sides. You guys got some of the heart and soul depth that you lost in the Nash trade, and I'm happy to have a dynamic player in Gaborik. I said in the thread on our boards, but I think this gives Ryan Johansen a great opportunity to prove that he's the player that we all expect. He's really needed a proven scorer like Gaborik to capitalize on the beautiful plays that he creates. I think both teams will be very comparable next year, and am very excited to see you guys in our division next year!

I sincerely appreciate this analysis from am obvious dedicated fan of the Jackets. I really hope the best for Gaborik, I think he'll flat out fly on your team now that he's away from Torts.

Thanks for the info - Cheers.

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Heck of a day to be off the matrix...typically the team who gets the best player in a 3-1 trade wins the trade. Not sure if this will hold here. I've watched Gaborik up close for the last 10 years (first as Wild STH, now as Ranger) and he was never the player in New York that he was in Minnesota. Never. There were times in MN that I thought he could score 60 goals in a season. In NY, he never inspired that confidence for me. I just don't know what you are going to get from him on the back side of 30 and he was never going to be cheap to resign, no matter what happened between now and June 2014.

Say what you want about the coaching but Lemaire in Minnesota was every bit the hard ass and system guy that Tortorella is.

I love Dorsett. A more skilled and vocal version of Prust. Well known throughout the league as a special locker room guy. I also like Moore. Young developing defenseman who should fit in fine in NY. Consider this -- Picked 2 picks after Kreider and already has 86 NHL games. Still plenty of development upside here.

Brassard is the wild card for me. He sure looked good tonight (only saw the highlights) but he's one of those guys who always seems to be on the cusp of breaking through. We'll see.

But consider this -- the Rangers had 4-5 key needs -- sandpaper, another trustworthy defenseman, depth up the middle and 2013-14 cap room. They filled all of those needs in the last two days. You've got to like that kind of asset management.

Can't imagine every game will be like tonight but so far, so good.


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But consider this -- the Rangers had 4-5 key needs -- sandpaper, another trustworthy defenseman, depth up the middle and 2013-14 cap room. They filled all of those needs in the last two days. You've got to like that kind of asset management.

Can't imagine every game will be like tonight but so far, so good.
This sums it up for me. The Rangers had some glaring needs, and they filled those needs moving an expendable, expensive Gaborik for 3 young pieces that fill holes.

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This sums it up for me. The Rangers had some glaring needs, and they filled those needs moving an expendable, expensive Gaborik for 3 young pieces that fill holes.
They still have one. top 4 RD. But I assume that will occur in the summer. Between Moore, DZ, Mcd and Staal, they will trade one of them for a rightly, me thinks.

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I won't spam the thread with a quote of the lovely CBJ fan's post but it was a nice post Good to hear these lovely things. I don't know how many of us from HFNYR can write that much nice stuff all in one post

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The biggest victim of the trades between CBJ and NYR

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Delisle moved to NY less than a year ago and now moves back to Columbus. Home-sick? Was he a throw-in by Sather because of it?

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Delisle moved to NY less than a year ago and now moves back to Columbus. Home-sick? Was he a throw-in by Sather because of it?
Needed to have the same number of bodies going back as we were at the 50 contract limit. Sather pulled his name outta the hat I guess

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Needed to have the same number of bodies going back as we were at the 50 contract limit. Sather pulled his name outta the hat I guess
why not dump the contract that was included for the same reason in the first place, right?

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I sincerely appreciate this analysis from am obvious dedicated fan of the Jackets. I really hope the best for Gaborik, I think he'll flat out fly on your team now that he's away from Torts.

Thanks for the info - Cheers.
CBJ fans are great.

I hope we don't go storming on the main board to trash the trade just to get back at trolls trashing us in that thread...

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I will say this about this trade. I think John Moore is a very solid pickup in the long run. He literally replaces Erixon for us. And I think Dorsett will be a big spark plug ala Prust.

But what I think this trade and the Clowe acquisition may show in the long run is how you can construct a team with less talent that can open up the ice for each other and become more dangerous than having one a few skill guys other teams can key on. Gabby and Richards couldn't get themselves off the damn wall for two seasons now when they're with each other. And they've gotten pretty banged up in the process. I actually think Richards will play better without Gabby here. The team actually got off the wall consistently tonight and had men in front of the net when the puck got there. It was a miracle.

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