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04-04-2013, 01:36 AM
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The thing about Brassard being a liability is this...if it wasn't him...generally Kreider or Miller would be getting third line minuets. And not producing. This move, even if he struggles defensively, gives Miller and Kreider more time, adds to our powerplay, and gives us scoring depth.

I'm not overly excited about Brassard, but I'm not sure how you can nitpick this one or be at least OK with the pick up.

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04-04-2013, 01:52 AM
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I don't see how he has low hockey IQ. I don't see that at all. Complain about him all you want, but I never even thought he was a dumb player in juniors. Dumb players aren't making those passes. Dumb players aren't lifting the puck perfectly over Fleury and timing it perfectly while taking a hit.

Bash the dude all you want. But I saw nothing to show me that he has bad hockey IQ. And I am the guy on this board who has been railing about the collective hockey IQ for months, now. If he has poor hockey IQ, than I have no idea what we would even consider Miller or Kreider. Sub-human? Retarded sub-humans?

Also, his liability will be lessoned playing with better defensive players and in a system that has been pretty good at defense. Just my two cents, there.
I wanna see more of Brassard before I comment on him more deeply (I've not even seen last nights game yet), but remembering what was obvious earlier in his career, and what has like not made him a 70 pts player so far, which he de facto has not come close to, is basically that he is the type who goes where his skating takes him instead of being able to look up, adjust to the infront of him and play them.

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The guy fits this team very well. A. He gives us a stable third line center. No one is asking him to put up 80 points a year, b.) he is great on the power play with his creativity and c.) he moves Boyle to wing which it seems like he is more effective.

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04-04-2013, 02:22 AM
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I think Brassard is here until Lindberg develops into the 3C spot. Which is fine, because I think Brassard is only signed until the end of next year. That said, I liked what I saw from DB tonight. He has to be decisive about where he's supposed to be when he's F3. He got caught a few times tonight in between going in and staying back. Can't tell if that's a problem for him or if he was unsure of the Rangers' system. In general having him out there with Hags and Boyle really will help him. He's quite active in the offensive zone. His vision and movement created a ton of havoc out there for the Pens big, not so mobile D.

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04-04-2013, 06:07 AM
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A Little backround info from a Columbus fan: Thought this might be helpful.
Brassard- Taken 6th overall 2 GMs ago. Was a highly-touted, dynamic, high-scoring junior player. Expectations were high from the start. Played well in his time in the AHL, and gave a sense of his potential not just there, but in his rookie season that saw him post 25 points in 32 games at the NHL level. Got his shoulder ripped out of socket in a fight with James Neal, and he never looked the same really. During those 32 games he was hands down our best player. Even over Nash. Showed heart, and creativity that we had hoped for.

Since then, it's been a different story. He's hinted at being the player that we saw, but couldn't keep it together. Was in Hitch's doghouse, and couldn't put up anything offensively. Hitch got fired, and Claude Noel stepped in as interim coach. Brassard's game took off under Noel. He was everywhere. Then we let go of Noel in lieu of Scott Arniel. Brassard disappeared again under Arniel, and subsequently was in another coach's doghouse. Arniel was replaced with Richards at the halfway point last year, and Brassard ended the season once again picking up his play. IIRC he recorded 29 points in his final 33 games.

So you can see how he can be a maddening player for fans. Oozes skill, but only would show up in that way every now and then, and doesn't really bring much in other facets of the games. His spikes in production came at the end of two different seasons while in the midst of two coaching changes. Enigmatic to say the least. This season he has merely been serviceable, not reaching the point production levels that we've seen, yet not in the doghouse while being a good teammate. He's a great guy, and I'm sad for him to go mostly because he seemed to want to be part of the culture change. Gave a very heartfelt interview at the end of our 2-1 OT win against Anaheim on Sunday, saying how much they wanted to get to the post-season. However, it seems like he will be a good fit in NY, and I was happy to see him have a big night tonight.

John Moore- Wonderful kid. Week to the day older than me, so for whatever reason I've always liked him. He's an intelligent person. Great at interviewing, and a very ernest and humble guy. You want players like Johnny to succeed. He has a great head on his shoulders.

He's as fluid of a skater as you'll see. He doesn't have the best mind for the game, so his skating ability really helps him. He has other great tools – he's a good passer and has improved his d-zone play leaps and bounds. He was touted as a smooth offensive defenseman early on, but he's turned his development into a capable puck mover who doesn't do much offensively, but is reliable in his own zone. Wish he would use his shot more, however. He won the hardest shot competition while he was in Kitchener (I believe he clocked in at 98 mph), but you wouldn't ever know that by watching him play because he's simply not a shooter, as nice as it was to see him score tonight.

All in all, he's a guy you want to do well, and he's got the tools and the mindset that a pro needs to be successful. Probably doesn't have top-pairing potential anymore, but certainly is a guy who won't hurt you on your 2nd pair.

Derek Dorsett- This was the biggest shocker. Half-expected Moore and Brassard to be on the move, as we have depth on defense and Brassard was simply expendable to upgrade our scoring. Dorsett on the other hand was one of the biggest locker room presences that our organization has ever had. Always played with heart, and ALWAYS stuck up for teammates. Developed a surprising scoring touch last season, and now has potential to hit 20 goals sometime in his career. It was such a shot to the gut when he went out for the season. Seemed like our team came together to win games for him in a way.

He will undoubtedly lead your team in PIMs when he returns, and could wear an "A". Our fans always thought that he took bone-headed penalties, which, yes he did, but it was always out of grit and will. He's a guy that will do anything to win, and is actually a very good penalty killer. Another guy who wanted to be here for the culture change, and it's sad to see him gone.

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04-04-2013, 07:12 AM
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very hopeful to see him reach his potential. I think the guy deserves it after two bad injuries so early on in his career. Years of ups and down with injuries, play, playing style, game style as result of so many coaches going in and out of there. The lack of fanfare in Columbus, the lack of playoff games and the lack of NHL spotlight playing for CBJ.

It'll be a good story if he can earn it.

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I think Brassard is here until Lindberg develops into the 3C spot. Which is fine, because I think Brassard is only signed until the end of next year. That said, I liked what I saw from DB tonight. He has to be decisive about where he's supposed to be when he's F3. He got caught a few times tonight in between going in and staying back. Can't tell if that's a problem for him or if he was unsure of the Rangers' system. In general having him out there with Hags and Boyle really will help him. He's quite active in the offensive zone. His vision and movement created a ton of havoc out there for the Pens big, not so mobile D.
i do agree that lindberg will be here one day, but brass was highly touted when drafted and is only 25yrs old with untapped potential.. think AA with 2c upside..if he reaches his potential we have step and brass lindberg and miller..we just gained center depth, which you could never have enough of in the NHL.. Another thing is.. when trading a star player in gabs, you gain pieces for long term.. brass being here isnt just short term but its long term thinking..

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04-04-2013, 08:20 AM
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Was impressed with Brassards game. If he is that type of slinky player who has some decent playmaking skills hell be a nice addition on this roster. I thought his simple, yet creative play on the powerplay helped things out tremendously. He really cheated towards the middle of the ice instead of the usual telegraphed perimeter passing, and once he got rid of it went to to net. Thats an entirely different look that this team has been dying for. Hopefully that can continue but its just one game against a team who played pretty soft positionally.

Im eager to see how he fits over the long term here. But I like his intensity out there.

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04-04-2013, 08:30 AM
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what this does as shown yesterday is the Rangesr can now put Stepan and Brassard at C on the PP and have Richards at the point again

the C depth is back to where it was last yr now.

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He had a great game, but I am still sketchy to his capabilities.

Best case scenario is that the CBJ fans are wrong about him being a tweener like they did with Voracek and Brassard breaks out as a legit 2C. I'm not counting on it, but it'd be sweet for it to happen.

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With the high hockey iq of some of the members on this board, they should def be trying out for the team next season. We'd end up with a couple gretzkys and crosbys centering a definite cup winner, or at least a leetch or stevens to qb the pp. get it done and we'll all celebrate

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Can anyone comment on his faceoff skills? Just curious. Boyle has been pretty excellent at the dot.

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Can anyone comment on his faceoff skills? Just curious. Boyle has been pretty excellent at the dot.
Awful.

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Can anyone comment on his faceoff skills? Just curious. Boyle has been pretty excellent at the dot.
He was over 75% last night, but historically, face-offs haven't been his strong suit.. and that's being nice about it.

I'm excited that he played so well. The kid has always had elite vision, but he suffers from not really being a shooting threat. When he made that behind the back pass to Richie on the PP I was actually pretty ticked off about it. Despite the goal, he really should have put that puck on net himself.

He's been inconsistent for most of his career. If he can find some consistency in his game, he'll be an excellent player for us.

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Can anyone comment on his faceoff skills? Just curious. Boyle has been pretty excellent at the dot.
He's at about 46% for the season, but was very good on faceoffs last night, winning 11 out of 15.

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Oh my god


Nobody called No Givsies Backsies... So... I'm here to take him back.
My god, we took both Nash and Brass from you. I actually feel bad.

I hope you like Dubi, Artie and Gabby. Really, I do.

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He was over 75% last night, but historically, face-offs haven't been his strong suit.. and that's being nice about it.

I'm excited that he played so well. The kid has always had elite vision, but he suffers from not really being a shooting threat. When he made that behind the back pass to Richie on the PP I was actually pretty ticked off about it. Despite the goal, he really should have put that puck on net himself.

He's been inconsistent for most of his career. If he can find some consistency in his game, he'll be an excellent player for us.
I disagree. I think when he faked to the circle, if he let loose a shot he had a couple of guys in his way. Richie was completely wide open because Brass drew the guys to him, I thought it was a really smart move to dump it back to Richie (and a well executed pass to top that off, as well.)

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Brassard gives the Rangers options as long as he produces. Its a fresh start for him. Columbus has had three GMs and at least 5 coaches since Brassard was drafted. They could keep him as part of the replacement for Richards. They could trade him because there's a shortage of good centers in the NHL. He will be a group II in 2014 with a $3.7M QO. Arbitration eligible. Stepan. Miller. Lindberg. Nieves. They have some depth at center in the organization.

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Brassard gives the Rangers options as long as he produces. Its a fresh start for him. Columbus has had three GMs and at least 5 coaches since Brassard was drafted. They could keep him as part of the replacement for Richards. They could trade him because there's a shortage of good centers in the NHL. He will be a group II in 2014 with a $3.7M QO. Arbitration eligible. Stepan. Miller. Lindberg. Nieves. They have some depth at center in the organization.
He'll be a victim of that depth. Brass will be the odd man out.

3.7, no way we pay that for DB.

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He'll be a victim of that depth. Brass will be the odd man out.

3.7, no way we pay that for DB.
Couldn't they sign him to a longer contract and not use that QO?

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I disagree. I think when he faked to the circle, if he let loose a shot he had a couple of guys in his way. Richie was completely wide open because Brass drew the guys to him, I thought it was a really smart move to dump it back to Richie (and a well executed pass to top that off, as well.)
Richards was wide open at the point, but he had plenty of people between him and the net. Brassard tugged the puck back and pulled the defender out of the lane. He had an angle to shoot but chose to pass. It worked in this instance, but as teams begin to realize he's not a threat to shoot, that play is less and less likely to work. Remember, the Pens haven't seen much of Brassard, Clowe or Moore. That gave us a bit of an advantage.

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Couldn't they sign him to a longer contract and not use that QO?
He won't be worth it. Those names I highlighted are the future, this kid is a place holder, just like most filler sather has brought in to make up for his own mistakes. Remember why the holes were there in the first place?

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He won't be worth it. Those names I highlighted are the future, this kid is a place holder, just like most filler sather has brought in to make up for his own mistakes. Remember why the holes were there in the first place?
May be a place holder, but if he is a consistent 50-55 point 2c, why not keep him? Better options on the UFA market? Not normally.

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May be a place holder, but if he is a consistent 50-55 point 2c, why not keep him? Better options on the UFA market? Not normally.
Depends what happends with Richards. I think if they keep Richards-Stepan-Lindberg-Boyle where do you play Brassard?

Then if no Richards you have Stepan-Lindberg-?-Boyle/FA

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He won't be worth it. Those names I highlighted are the future, this kid is a place holder, just like most filler sather has brought in to make up for his own mistakes. Remember why the holes were there in the first place?
Our future really shouldn't be based on 3 guys who haven't played in the nhl (miller is not ready)
I'd much rather keep the 25 year old 2nd liner

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