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04-04-2013, 10:49 AM
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Year End Top 20

Since I don't see Gallagher ever playing in the AHL again, and would be surprised to see Galchenyuk play in the AHL, I considered them to be graduated which of course not everyone will agree with. If I were to count them, I would have them 1-2.


Top 20

1. Danny Kristo
2. Sebastian Collberg
3. Jarred Tinordi
4. Nathan Beaulieu
5. Charles Hudon
6. Darren Dietz
7. Tim Bozon
8. Mac Bennett
9. Dalton Thrower
10. Louis Leblanc
11. MichaŽl Bournival
12. Greg Pateryn
13. Patrick Holland
14. Mark MacMillan
15. Brady Vail
16. Gabriel Dumont
17. Josiah Didier
18. Magnus Nygren
19. Dustin Tokarski
20. Morgan Ellis

HM- Olivier Archambault, Joonas Nattinen, Joe Stejskal


http://www.habprospects.com/modules....rticle&sid=200

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Why the donkey punch to Morgan Ellis?

He hasn't been too bad in Hamilton.

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Louis Leblanc

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Shows how important our picks are this year though..

once we get to rank 9.. we don't see a lot of quality with high upside.

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1. Gallagher, 2. Galchenyuk or 1. Galchenyuk, 2. Gallagher?

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I agree with a lot of the ranking but I still have hope for Leblanc and I think Beaulieu/Tinordi are above Collberg:

1. Danny Kristo
2. Nathan Beaulieu
3. Jarred Tinordi
4. Sebastian Collberg
5. Louis Leblanc
6. Charles Hudon
7. Tim Bozon
8. Gabriel Dumont
9. MichaŽl Bournival
10. Darren Dietz
11. Dalton Thrower
12. Magnus Nygren
13. Dustin Tokarski
14. Morgan Ellis
15. Mac Bennett
16. Mark MacMillan
17. Brady Vail
18. Greg Pateryn
19. Joonas Nattinen
20. Patrick Holland

Still not as deep as it was after the 2007 draft. 2013 draft is going to really be awesome.

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Why do I not have the same amount of love for Kristo? What am I missing about this kid? Honestly why rank him higher than Leblanc at this point?

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Top 20

1. Danny Kristo
2. Sebastian Collberg
3. Jarred Tinordi
4. Nathan Beaulieu
5. Charles Hudon
6. Darren Dietz
7. Tim Bozon
8. Mac Bennett
9. Dalton Thrower
10. Louis Leblanc
11. MichaŽl Bournival
12. Greg Pateryn
13. Patrick Holland
14. Mark MacMillan
15. Brady Vail
16. Gabriel Dumont
17. Josiah Didier
18. Magnus Nygren
19. Dustin Tokarski
20. Morgan Ellis
Good work, Montreal

I would have Holland lower, but I don't see nearly enough of our prospects to have a valid opinion.

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Really nice list, always enjoy reading your articles.

How has Quailer been this year in Hamilton? Is he not on the list because he's been that bad or is it more because of the depth of our prospects?

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I know he doesn't deserve to be ranked based on this year but it's too bad to see Quailer fall off the map.

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what's the list based on? potential to make it? or potential to be the best prospect?

best prospect list for me:

beaulieu
tinordi
kristo
collberg
leblanc

after that, a lot are going to be role players. I believe leblanc will end up a role player, but one of the best in the league at what he will be for us. They're shaping into the player they want in hamilton to go out and do his job, no matter who he plays with. he is learning his role, and beginning to understand that.

those are my top 5. After watching beaulieu, his game will easily transition into the nhl. He just needs a veteran with him, and isn't too far away. I actually think he'll be up again, before the playoffs and appears to learn on the job, quite well. he was brutal when he first went to hamilton, and has come a long way. I think he'll be an excellent player for us.

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1. Danny Kristo
2. Sebastian Collberg
3. Nathan Beaulieu
4. Jarred Tinordi
5. Charles Hudon
6. Darren Dietz
7. Tim Bozon
8. Greg Pateryn
9. Dalton Thrower
10. Gabriel Dumont
11. Mac Bennet
12. MichaŽl Bournival
13. Patrick Holland
14. Mark MacMillan
15. Brady Vail
16. Magnus Nygren
17. Dustin Tokarski
18. Louis Leblanc ( sry Louis but a prospect that regresses in his second AHL year is not a good sign )
19. Josiah Didier
20. Morgan Ellis

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Shows how important our picks are this year though..

once we get to rank 9.. we don't see a lot of quality with high upside.
I feel they might best be served by using a 2nd rounder to move up in the 1st and get a player with high upside. With that many picks, it is worth taking the risk.

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I feel they might best be served by using a 2nd rounder to move up in the 1st and get a player with high upside. With that many picks, it is worth taking the risk.
Or trade Brian Gionta for a first!

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I don't know anything about Sebastian Collberg. Absolutely nothing. I am curious what makes him number 2 on the list, because a quick look at his stats doesn't help much at all.

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Having Kristo sign is a huge boost to the top end of the list.

As for the OP, I think Dumont, Nygren, and Ellis are too low....

As well I'm one of the few that likes Tinordi > Beaulieu

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Here's my list:

1. Danny Kristo
2. Nathan Beaulieu
3. Sebastien Collberg
4. Jarred Tinordi
5. Charles Hudon
6. Darren Dietz
7. Tim Bozon
8. Mac Bennett
9. Morgan Ellis
10. Mark MacMillan
11. Gabriel Dumont
12. Brady Vail
13. Louis Leblanc
14. Michael Bournival
15. Patrick Holland
16. Magnus Nygren
17. Greg Pateryn
18. Steve Quailer
19. Joonas Nattinen
20. Daniel Pribyl.

Not listing Tokarski.

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man, people are really hating on leblanc. A guy 1 year out of playing 40 games with the habs, playing pretty well too, following a horrific high ankle sprain, has fallen significantly down prospect charts, past guys who still have not played at the ahl level.

I don't know, seems like pulling the trigger early. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, it's the injury, and he will bounce back and shake up the habs camp next year, surprising many.

he's been playing better lately, and is going through some growing pains.

around 10, sure, I guess, people really like their prospects on this board, but some have this guy right off the map when he's really not. that. bad.

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Or trade Brian Gionta for a first!
Is Leblanc ready to take Gionta's place as a two-way RW?

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It must be hard to rank players that are at different stages of their career. I see a lot of prospects drafted last year and I'm thinking that they faced softer opposition than, let's say, Leblanc or Tinordi in Hamilton.

Kristo looks nice but again he still never showed he could compete at the pro level. Time will tell I guess.

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Why the donkey punch to Morgan Ellis?

He hasn't been too bad in Hamilton.
I guess you have seen him more then me in Hamilton then, cause he hasn't been very good.

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1. Gallagher, 2. Galchenyuk or 1. Galchenyuk, 2. Gallagher?
Either or works, since right now Gallagher is having an outstanding season but in the future Galchenyuk could be one of the top players in the NHL.

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Good work, Montreal

I would have Holland lower, but I don't see nearly enough of our prospects to have a valid opinion.
Thanks, I actuallly had Holland much lower but he has picked it up of late, the skill is there just needs a lot of work on physical aspects like filling out, getting stronger, etc...

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Really nice list, always enjoy reading your articles.

How has Quailer been this year in Hamilton? Is he not on the list because he's been that bad or is it more because of the depth of our prospects?
Thanks, Quailer has easily been one of the biggest disappointments for me, he's struggled mightly and just hasn't been very effective at all.

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what's the list based on? potential to make it? or potential to be the best prospect?

those are my top 5. After watching beaulieu, his game will easily transition into the nhl. He just needs a veteran with him, and isn't too far away. I actually think he'll be up again, before the playoffs and appears to learn on the job, quite well. he was brutal when he first went to hamilton, and has come a long way. I think he'll be an excellent player for us.
It's based on upside but I take just about everything into consideration as I watch them all. As for Beaulieu Im actually a bit disappointed in him as his defensive game needs lots of work, I have a lot of concerns about his decision making in his own end and really hope he's not a regular with the Habs next year.

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I don't know anything about Sebastian Collberg. Absolutely nothing. I am curious what makes him number 2 on the list, because a quick look at his stats doesn't help much at all.
I fully admit i'm a huge fan of Collberg, his speed/skating along with his shot could have him as a top line forward in the future.

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I kinda like Mark MacMillan play.

I think he might surprise some people

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It's based on upside but I take just about everything into consideration as I watch them all. As for Beaulieu Im actually a bit disappointed in him as his defensive game needs lots of work, I have a lot of concerns about his decision making in his own end and really hope he's not a regular with the Habs next year.

He's still raw, but it's easy to find mistakes when you look for them. I agree his decision making is not the greatest, but I think it's because he's so young and still finds the game fast.

He not going to be a perfect player, but he isn't as far off, at least for me, as you believe he is to making it. I don't expect him to come in and be subban, but I don't think 10-12 minutes, playing bottom line guys, with a veteran d and some pp time is too much for him.

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man, people are really hating on leblanc. A guy 1 year out of playing 40 games with the habs, playing pretty well too, following a horrific high ankle sprain, has fallen significantly down prospect charts, past guys who still have not played at the ahl level.

I don't know, seems like pulling the trigger early. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, it's the injury, and he will bounce back and shake up the habs camp next year, surprising many.

he's been playing better lately, and is going through some growing pains.

around 10, sure, I guess, people really like their prospects on this board, but some have this guy right off the map when he's really not. that. bad.
I think most around here will confirm that I have been one of Leblanc's bigger supporters, even though at the time of the draft I did not want to see us go for him as I had concerns about his skating/lack of lower body strength. I've watched Leblanc in the USHL, in the NCAA, in the Q, at the WJC's, i've seen every game he's played in the NHL and most in the AHL. He was very good last year in Hamilton and looked good enough in the NHL but this year he looks to be a shell of himself, I know the injury cause him problems and hopefully he can use this experience to build off for next season as I do expect him to rebound but he's been so bad in the AHL that I had to drop him.

Leblanc is smart and hard working so hopefully he gets back on track but with the way he's looked for much of this season there has to be a lot of concern. That said I also took into consideration that he plays on the worst team in the AHL and one that consistently struggles to produce any offense. Even though they are one of the youngest teams in the league and having a rookie coach hasn't helped matters, I still would expect him to create more offensively. He recently just played one of his best games of the season so hopefully he is gaining confidence.

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It must be hard to rank players that are at different stages of their career. I see a lot of prospects drafted last year and I'm thinking that they faced softer opposition than, let's say, Leblanc or Tinordi in Hamilton.

Kristo looks nice but again he still never showed he could compete at the pro level. Time will tell I guess.
Yes it is, and it's often you will see the more recent draft picks ranked higher since they are new and shinny vs older draft picks. In this case though, the 2012 draft class is looking very good for us so far which is why I have 2 in the top 5 as I am really high on both Collberg and Hudon.

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I kinda like Mark MacMillan play.

I think he might surprise some people
Wasn't he the 6'3 150 lbs guy we drafted a few years ago? What's up with him? I heard nothing about him ever since.

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