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04-04-2013, 11:12 AM
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I fully admit i'm a huge fan of Collberg, his speed/skating along with his shot could have him as a top line forward in the future.
Thanks for the input! From what people say about him, I am very optimistic. I hope to catch a Bulldogs game or two where I can catch him along with other Habs prospects and see what the fuss is about!

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He's still raw, but it's easy to find mistakes when you look for them. I agree his decision making is not the greatest, but I think it's because he's so young and still finds the game fast.

He not going to be a perfect player, but he isn't as far off, at least for me, as you believe he is to making it. I don't expect him to come in and be subban, but I don't think 10-12 minutes, playing bottom line guys, with a veteran d and some pp time is too much for him.
Not sure what you are trying to say here, I'm not "trying" to find mistakes. All prospects are on the same level with me and all I do is watch their progress year over year. Beaulieu makes lots of mistakes in his own end, I don't need to look for them since he consistenly makes them and has all year. I think it would be a very bad idea to have him a full timer next year as fans will be all over him if his errors end up being costly.

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Wasn't he the 6'3 150 lbs guy we drafted a few years ago? What's up with him? I heard nothing about him ever since.
He's 6'0, up to 170's. Very quick skater, always keeps his feet moving and works hard at both ends of the ice. Is more of a playmaker but can play in all situations.


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Not sure what you are trying to say here, I'm not "trying" to find mistakes. All prospects are on the same level with me and all I do is watch their progress year over year. Beaulieu makes lots of mistakes in his own end, I don't need to look for them since he consistenly makes them and has all year. I think it would be a very bad idea to have him a full timer next year as fans will be all over him if his errors end up being costly.

I find that a problem. You have to look at their competition, the team their on, their age in comparison, who they're playing with and which lines they're lining up against. with that group of forwards guys are probably having some trust issues/transition issues from the back end and still confused on what they should be doing.

you have to take into consideration the role asked of the d-man, from the coach, how much time he spends on the ice, in what situations, and what is expected of him. is he out there on most defensive face-offs? I mean, the guy came to hamilton, and played pretty poor hockey, and is getting better on a team that could wreck a guys confidence and continue to struggle.

I shouldn't say, trying to find mistakes, but with his ice-time and the competition he plays against, yes, he's going to make bad decisions because, on a team this bad, they're going to make a lot of mistakes with a guy learning a new role.

to each their own. I cannot say too much, I thought Kaberle could be effective for us this year. still do.

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He's 6'0, up to 170's. Very quick skater, always keeps his feet moving and works hard at both ends of the ice. Is more of a playmaker but can play in all situations.
23 and 25 pts seasons at this level doesn't seem much good to me, but I know stats can be misleading.

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04-04-2013, 11:36 AM
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I find that a problem. You have to look at their competition, the team their on, their age in comparison, who they're playing with and which lines they're lining up against. with that group of forwards guys are probably having some trust issues/transition issues from the back end and still confused on what they should be doing.

you have to take into consideration the role asked of the d-man, from the coach, how much time he spends on the ice, in what situations, and what is expected of him. is he out there on most defensive face-offs? I mean, the guy came to hamilton, and played pretty poor hockey, and is getting better on a team that could wreck a guys confidence and continue to struggle.

I shouldn't say, trying to find mistakes, but with his ice-time and the competition he plays against, yes, he's going to make bad decisions because, on a team this bad, they're going to make a lot of mistakes with a guy learning a new role.

to each their own. I cannot say too much, I thought Kaberle could be effective for us this year. still do.
Of course I look at the comp they play against, since I watch almost every game Hamilton plays. I actually take everything into consideration, but what I mean by they are all on the same level is that I don't know where they were drafted or where they are from. As i've gotten heat in the past for being too high on French born players, but for me I really always just try and call it like I see it, so in that sense all prospects are the same to me.

I've been ranking Hab prospects for a long time so I know what to look for and what to take into consideration.

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23 and 25 pts seasons at this level doesn't seem much good to me, but I know stats can be misleading.
They are solid numbers for sure, not great but he's been very solid for both of his seasons in the NCAA. He must fill out more though as he's easy to knock off the puck.

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04-04-2013, 11:38 AM
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Why is Nygren so low on those lists? Hasn't he won the award for best defensman in the Swedish league or something like that.

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Since I don't see Gallagher ever playing in the AHL again, and would be surprised to see Galchenyuk play in the AHL, I considered them to be graduated which of course not everyone will agree with. If I were to count them, I would have them 1-2.


Top 20

1. Danny Kristo
2. Sebastian Collberg
3. Jarred Tinordi
4. Nathan Beaulieu
5. Charles Hudon
6. Darren Dietz
7. Tim Bozon
8. Mac Bennett
9. Dalton Thrower
10. Louis Leblanc
11. MichaŽl Bournival
12. Greg Pateryn
13. Patrick Holland
14. Mark MacMillan
15. Brady Vail
16. Gabriel Dumont
17. Josiah Didier
18. Magnus Nygren
19. Dustin Tokarski
20. Morgan Ellis

HM- Olivier Archambault, Joonas Nattinen, Joe Stejskal


http://www.habprospects.com/modules....rticle&sid=200
Based on results in College, I don't see how Mark MacMillan could be ranked higher than Gab Dumont.

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04-04-2013, 12:08 PM
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Awesome work on the article, montreal. You are literally the Habs prospects guru, and I always look to your opinions to find out how the players in our system are doing.

Like a few folks here, I'm curious to see what will become of Nygren. As I understand it, he is basically a purely offensive defensemen. Will be interesting to see how he does when he comes to NA.

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Why is Nygren so low on those lists? Hasn't he won the award for best defensman in the Swedish league or something like that.
I haven't seen much of Nygren so perhaps he should be highe. He did have a big season but I want to see how he handles the smaller ice.

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Based on results in College, I don't see how Mark MacMillan could be ranked higher than Gab Dumont.
For me it's pretty easy as MacMillan just flat out flies on the ice, but also has a lot of offensive skills (his passing/stickhandling at top notch). Love the way Dumont plays but feel his upside is very limited.

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Awesome work on the article, montreal. You are literally the Habs prospects guru, and I always look to your opinions to find out how the players in our system are doing.

Like a few folks here, I'm curious to see what will become of Nygren. As I understand it, he is basically a purely offensive defensemen. Will be interesting to see how he does when he comes to NA.
Thanks a lot. That's my understanding of Nygren as well so we'll see how it goes for him assuming they get a deal worked out as it would be nice to see him get in a few games with Hamilton if possible (since his team is still playing)

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04-04-2013, 01:24 PM
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Really don't like the hate Leblanc is getting. He showned that he was good enough for the NHL last year, which alot of the players ranked above him will never even see.

1. Nathan Beaulieu(He's our blue chip prospect.)
2. Danny Kristo (Most likely to start in the NHL imo.)
3. Jarred Tinordi (We all know Tinordi.)
4. Sebastian Collberg (Highest upside after Beaulieu)
5. Louis Leblanc (If it wasnt for this bad year, he'd either be graduated or top 2.)
6. Charles Hudon (He had the best season, most impactful and dominant.)
7. Michael Bournival (Good first AHL year.)
8. Magnus Nygren (See Charles Hudon, playing against men.)
9. Darren Dietz (Started rough like all his team, finished strong.)
10. Tim Bozon (Started really strong, finished kinda cold.)
11. Morgan Ellis ( Had a rougher time in the AHL, Next year we will see him more.)
12. Mac Bennet (Another good year for Mac, he became a true leader.)
13. Greg Pateryn (Best Dman in the AHL for us?)
14. Dalton Thrower (... He'll need to show more progression or he could fall lower.)
15. Gabriel Dumont (pretty sure he'll be a NHL'r, low upside, won't rise.)
16. Dustin Tokarski (Strong goalie, but kinda getting old!)
17. Brady Vail (I have a feeling if he was used properly, he'd be higher he will rise.)
18. Mark MackMillan (Need's to get stronger and he will rise.)
19. Patrick Holland (Showed good skill...)
20. Joonas Nattinen (Low upside, so he likely won't rise any higher. See Dumont)

Pribyl and Archie could make a case for themselves... But they are both really raw.

At first tought... I think we have too many pro prospect. 6 CHL prospects ? Seems low.

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Funny though that you list Thrower ahead of Leblanc, since both had bad seasons.
One play's CHL on a stacked team and the other got yet another bad injury and played in the AHL on a poor team. Also add to the fact that Leblanc has looked good in the NHL... Maybe your basing yourself too much on this season.

If we did that, Pacciorety, Plekanec, Price and alot of others would all be elsewhere.

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I'd definitely place Beaulieu and Tinordi above Collberg, and I'd place Dumon higher for sure.

Also...wtf happened to Leblanc

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Good stuff as always. One question though. Why no Pribyl? Is lack of skating and strength really that bad in your eyes? When I watch him, I see a very gifted offensive player, who has finally started to round out his two-way game.

I wouldn't expect him to even in the top 20 (he's in mine though), but not getting a mention at all is definitely surprising.

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1. Gallagher, 2. Galchenyuk or 1. Galchenyuk, 2. Gallagher?
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Galchenyuk AINEC

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Really? Nygren that low? The guy basically won the equivalent of the Norris trophy! What the heck has Thrower or Leblanc done to rank that high?

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Really? Nygren that low? The guy basically won the equivalent of the Norris trophy! What the heck has Thrower or Leblanc done to rank that high?
Maybe because Leblanc has played in the NHL I suppose.

Thrower is like our new toy so he must be better.


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1. Danny Kristo
2. Sebastian Collberg
3. Nathan Beaulieu
4. Jarred Tinordi
5. Tim Bozon
6. Charles Hudon
7. Darren Dietz
8. Dalton Thrower
9. Mac Bennett
10. Michael Bournival
11. Gabriel Dumont
12. Morgan Ellis
13. Magnus Nygren
14. Greg Pateryn
15. Daniel Pribyl
16. Louis Leblanc
17. Patrick Holland
18. Joonas Nattinen
19. Mark MacMillan
20. Brady Vail


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Me too, I see tinordi and Beaulieu before Collberg who remains imo a question mark, but we should have an answer soon if he ends the season with the Dogs.

He plaid only one game so far but Archambault are more upside than just an HM imo.

Nygren: another question mark! But if we consider his production this year, he certainly has more upside as well.

We will have a clearer idea of who's who after end of season in Hamilton, but I'm anxious to see all those new rookies comin on in Hamilton this week.


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The great thing about this list is that it doesn't use NHL readiness as a big factor like all the other lists I see. Always thought it was a bit of a copy out.

Love seeing Hudon so high up there too. I like what I've seen from Collberg but if he can be a better player than what I think Hudon can be then we'll be in ridiculous shape.

Tinordi above Beaulieu is a good call too. For me it has nothing to do with short changing Beaulieu, moreso thinking Tinordi has a huge amount of room to grow and improve. He seems to have really great character too.

Great job, Montreal.

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Shows how important our picks are this year though..

once we get to rank 9.. we don't see a lot of quality with high upside.
Not true at all. Nygren, Ellis, LL, Bournival all have potential to be really good players. It's not like there's 10 other teams that have 20 blue chip prospects in their organizations.

I wouldn't be surprised that ours is one of the deepest if not the deepest. Others might have more true elite talent (especially with the Gallys graduating) but few have the solid mid level depth we have.

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1. Nathan Beaulieu
2. Danny Kristo
3. Jarred Tinordi
4. Sebastian Collberg
5. Charles Hudon
6. Darren Dietz
7. Louis Leblanc
8. Magnus Nygren
9. Dalton Thrower
10. Tim Bozon
11. MichaŽl Bournival
12. Morgan Ellis
13. Patrick Holland
14. Mac Bennett
15. Brady Vail
16. Gabriel Dumont
17. Mark MacMillan
18. Greg Pateryn
19. Dustin Tokarski
20. Daniel Pribyl

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Not true at all. Nygren, Ellis, LL, Bournival all have potential to be really good players. It's not like there's 10 other teams that have 20 blue chip prospects in their organizations.

I wouldn't be surprised that ours is one of the deepest if not the deepest. Others might have more true elite talent (especially with the Gallys graduating) but few have the solid mid level depth we have.
Nygren if he doesn't improve his defensive play will be nothing more than a PP specialist. It's up to him whether or not he becomes more than that.
Morgan Ellis needs to improve his footspeed. He should round out to be a heart and soul bottom pairing D man with a good shot and a good first pass.
Louis Leblanc will likely not feature on the Habs. Best case scenario is he ends up what Chris Higgins was when he was shipped off to New York, a responsible journey man who can chip in a few goals and is smart hockey-wise. Not a bad player but he's definitely nothing special. If he was Chris Higgins before the Gomez trade, I'd be salivating.
Bournival.. see Louis Leblanc, only he's stronger and waster, so he has a better chance of being a player at the NHL level.

Ultimately, I don't see really high upside with any of those guys. I do really like Morgan Ellis though. If they all hit and become players, that's good scouting and drafting by the Habs. That being said, we need to get some more quality scoring prospects in the system, another highly regarded defensive defenseman prospect and we need some bruising wingers who can score. Center position is still very dry in the pool.

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Nygren if he doesn't improve his defensive play will be nothing more than a PP specialist. It's up to him whether or not he becomes more than that.
Morgan Ellis needs to improve his footspeed. He should round out to be a heart and soul bottom pairing D man with a good shot and a good first pass.
Louis Leblanc will likely not feature on the Habs. Best case scenario is he ends up what Chris Higgins was when he was shipped off to New York, a responsible journey man who can chip in a few goals and is smart hockey-wise. Not a bad player but he's definitely nothing special. If he was Chris Higgins before the Gomez trade, I'd be salivating.
Bournival.. see Louis Leblanc, only he's stronger and waster, so he has a better chance of being a player at the NHL level.


Ultimately, I don't see really high upside with any of those guys. I do really like Morgan Ellis though. If they all hit and become players, that's good scouting and drafting by the Habs. That being said, we need to get some more quality scoring prospects in the system, another highly regarded defensive defenseman prospect and we need some bruising wingers who can score. Center position is still very dry in the pool.
Why write him off as a 15 goals Higgins ?
While Bournival is stronger and faster (nothing impossible to improve) Leblanc has 10 times the hockey IQ he has. No wonder Leblanc went top 20 in a good draft.

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Why write him off as a 15 goals Higgins ?
While Bournival is stronger and faster (nothing impossible to improve) Leblanc has 10 times the hockey IQ he has. No wonder Leblanc went top 20 in a good draft.
Because we'll be lucky if he ends up being a 15 goals Higgins?

Bournival being stronger and faster can turn him into a servicable 4th liner. If Leblanc can't put up points at the NHL level and can't win board battles due to his slight frame, his hockey IQ will do nothing for him.

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Because we'll be lucky if he ends up being a 15 goals Higgins?

Bournival being stronger and faster can turn him into a servicable 4th liner. If Leblanc can't put up points at the NHL level and can't win board battles due to his slight frame, his hockey IQ will do nothing for him.
Tell that to guy's like DD...
You really let this bad year hinder your judgment of Louis, which is not fair at all.
Remember when we did this with Patches, Eller, Price, Plekanec, Gorges, Pyatt, Grabovski and Ribeiro ?

We've seen worse player in the NHL.

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