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04-04-2013, 09:52 AM
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Sign Lydman and Boyd Gordon. Center for defensive zone starts and a steady, defensive D to partner with Myers for a year or two? Check and check.

Vanek-Hodgson-Stafford/cheap UFA stopgap if Stafford goes
Foligno-Ennis-Armia
Ott-Larsson/Grigorenko-Leino
Tropp-Gordon-Kaleta
x. Porter, Scott

Lydman-Myers (all situations top pair)
Ehrhoff-Pysyk (lots of o-zone starts)
Weber-Sekera (gets the tough, d-zone starts)
x. Alka-Sulzer

Miller/ other if Miller goes at the draft
Enroth

*Extend Vanek
Dream scenario: Stafford, Grigorenko, MIN 1st for Bobby Ryan


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04-04-2013, 10:36 AM
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Sign Lydman and Boyd Gordon. Center for defensive zone starts and a steady, defensive D to partner with Myers for a year or two? Check and check.

Vanek-Hodgson-Stafford/cheap UFA stopgap if Stafford goes
Foligno-Ennis-Armia
Ott-Larsson/Grigorenko-Leino
Tropp-Gordon-Kaleta
x. Porter, Scott

Lydman-Myers (all situations top pair)
Ehrhoff-Pysyk (lots of o-zone starts)
Weber-Sekera (gets the tough, d-zone starts)
x. Alka-Sulzer

Miller/ other if Miller goes at the draft
Enroth

*Extend Vanek
Dream scenario: Stafford, Grigorenko, MIN 1st for Bobby Ryan

EDIT: Sorry for the double post
No thank you. You don't trade centers with all-star potential for LW'ers. Unless they are 50 goal scorers. In this case you're talking about trading a 1st, a guy with potential to be a legit star, and a 2nd/3rd liner for a 60 point winger.


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04-04-2013, 10:43 AM
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Regier talked about it at the presser yesterday and it makes me think he's just looking for guys to fill in while the kids (Grigs, Girgs, Armia, etc.) mature.
So, another year of Broken Jochen?

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04-04-2013, 10:49 AM
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http://www.capgeek.com/free-agents

There are a few guys that I would really enjoy seeing as Sabres..

Mason Raymond or Viktor Stalberg
Matt Cooke
Tyler Bozak or Boyd Gordon
Mark Fistric
Rob Klinkhammer

Mostly role player types, didn't see any RW that I cared for tho. Cooke-Ott-Kaleta would be the most hated line in the league
Fistric is intriguing.

IMO the Sabres will need to get a depth defenseman on a short term (2 years max) deal.

Myers
Sekera
Ehrhoff
Weber
Pysyk
McNabb?

Banking on both Pysyk and McNabb to be regulars is a recipe for disaster. Young players are gonna have their growing pains. Having a veteran depth guy (or 2) would go a long way--as it stands we'd need a #7 anyways.

The guys I see are Sulzer, Pardy, Fistric, Rozsival, Corvo, O'Byrne, Clitsome, Drewiske, Babchuk, etc. Certainly not marquee names, but we don't need more than a 6/7 guy. Zidlicky, Scuderi and Hainsey are other options, but they might be too pricey for our needs. We just need guys who can take some minutes if the rookies struggle.

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Filpulla and Clarkson would be nice

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04-04-2013, 11:24 AM
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No thank you. You don't trade centers with all-star potential for LW'ers. Unless they are 50 goal scorers. In this case you're talking about trading a 1st, a guy with potential to be a legit star, and a 2nd/3rd liner for a 60 point winger.

Potential. Potential. Potential.

I'll trade a pile of crap, a late 1st round pick, and a center prospect with top line potential for a bonafide 30 goal +, franchise forward all day. Especially if we take Barkov or Lindholm with our first pick. Think about what our center depth would look like: Hodgson/Ennis/Barkov or Lindholm/ Larsson/Girgensons, etc. I'm willing to move Grigorenko if that's the kind of C Depth we'd have going forward- there's only so many spots in the middle of the ice. HF Boards prospects love =/= real trade value.

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They likely need a mid-pairing type guy on defense, someone who can play a 4/5 role at least so they aren't forcing the kids to play more than they need to and aren't paying more than they need to if the vet gets supplanted by the kid. Ian White comes to mind as a possibility.

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Vanek-Hodgson-Clarkson
Grigorenko-Ennis-Armia/Ott
Ott/Armia-Larsson-Tropp/Flynn
Flynn/Tropp-B. Gordon-Kaleta

Porter

Ehrhoff-Sekera
Myers-Weber
Pysyk-UFA/Trade

Hackett/Enroth


Slow and steady as she goes.....I expect a big rookie movement next year.

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04-04-2013, 11:34 AM
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we should be looking for the Grier's and Numminen's of free agency... not long term, big contract, big position players

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Vanek-Hodgson-Clarkson
Grigorenko-Ennis-Armia/Ott
Ott/Armia-Larsson-Tropp/Flynn
Flynn/Tropp-B. Gordon-Kaleta

Porter

Ehrhoff-Sekera
Myers-Weber
Pysyk-UFA/Trade

Hackett/Enroth


Slow and steady as she goes.....I expect a big rookie movement next year.
Like it, though I don't think Clarkson is likely.

Also no trade for a D-man...keep the assets for the rebuilding. We just have to grab some journeymen in UFA to fill out that roster. Plus McCormick will still be there as an additional forward. Not sure if I want to pencil in Larsson just yet though.

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we should be looking for the Grier's and Numminen's of free agency... not long term, big contract, big position players
True. Something for transition while the pipeline comes online and the youngsters grow, mature and turn into regulars.

It'll also be interesting to see if anyone gets the Dudley-MacArthur treatment this summer in RFA, popping younger guys free who might be a bargain short-term contract option. Or finding leadership guys who might be viewed as expendable by their current team who might be available in trade (Talbot comes to mind).

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Like it, though I don't think Clarkson is likely.

Also no trade for a D-man...keep the assets for the rebuilding. We just have to grab some journeymen in UFA to fill out that roster. Plus McCormick will still be there as an additional forward. Not sure if I want to pencil in Larsson just yet though.
Agree Clarkson probably get re-signed by NJ or won't want to come to Buffalo...but if you can get him, you grab him. I can see why you're hesitant to pencil in Larsson. I personally view him as more NHL-ready than Girgensons at this point, and also I think he's a better comparable to O'Reilly than Girgensons. I don't see a better option at 3C for next year without trading some of those assets that we like. If we have to make any trades, I think the price would be way less steep for a bottom pairing dman than a 3C.

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Looks like a bunch of 2nd rate players who will be grossly overpaid and won't even come here. Yes, let's get rid of Vanek so we can pay David Clarkson 5.5 mil a year for practically half the amount of goals

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I don't know why we haven't been using Pegula bucks to build up the bottom six with value signings (beating out bad teams with that extra contract year and such) from the get go, but that should be the approach this offseason. That and a mobile top 4 defensive defenseman. I'd give Loods a 2 year deal (one year as a shutdown stopgap, the next as bottom pairing stability + special teams minutes) depending on how he looks in the playoffs.

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Just because we love our ex-Sabres...

I hear Derek Roy is gonna be available.

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The list above isn't the total UFA list....

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Looks like a bunch of 2nd rate players who will be grossly overpaid and won't even come here. Yes, let's get rid of Vanek so we can pay David Clarkson 5.5 mil a year for practically half the amount of goals
Or we can convince Vanek to stay, add Clarkson for nowhere near 5.5 (my guess would be 3.5-4), create a new winning culture for the youngeons to learn from, and reap the benefits of both Clarkson and Vanek scoring goals....

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we should be looking for the Grier's and Numminen's of free agency... not long term, big contract, big position players
Yep, and I don't think any are going to want to rebuild in beautiful Buffalo, NY so that's a moot point anyway.

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Look at what Toronto did this offseason.

No big splashes--just the trade for JVR. They didn't chase the top free agents. They basically said "we're gonna let our young guys play, and see where it leads us". But who did they add? Jay McClement. That's it.

That's the model the Sabres need to follow. Pick up a McClement or two, not the Brad Richards of the world. Then next year, you look for guys that can push you over the top--by then the young guys will have improved, the prospect pipeline will be richer, and we'll be closer to contention.

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Yep, and I don't think any are going to want to rebuild in beautiful Buffalo, NY so that's a moot point anyway.


They see a rebuilding team as an opportunity for playing time, and if it doesn't work, they get shipped to a contender, oh, the humanity. Grier and Teppo weren't Cup chasing when they came here.

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Also, if we're throwing money at one guy, I hope it's Filppulla.

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In terms of UFAs---they make kick Clarkson's tires and see what his price is.

I see the more likely looking at a 2-3 yr deal on a veteran Dman who is under 32. It wont be a top level UFA. Just a second lpairing Dman. The price around $3M per yr.

I do see them much more active with trades in the summer.

1. Miller
2. Stafford
3. Vanek ----try to sign first-- look to trade if they feel is asking price is too much. A contract of a 4 yr $26M would be a fair price. 2 yrs at $7M, 2 yrs at $6M. What they could do---but I dont want to see is something like 8 yr $42M (7,6.5,6,5.5,5,4.5,4,3.5)
4. Ott ---they should be able to resign easily.
5. Ennis---if he is traded it would be for another RFA who they have interest in who is a winger. this depends heavily on where and who they draft. He could also be a pawn as part of a draft day trade where they could move up for 6-8 to the top 4.

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http://www.capgeek.com/free-agents

There are a few guys that I would really enjoy seeing as Sabres..

Mason Raymond or Viktor Stalberg
Matt Cooke
Tyler Bozak or Boyd Gordon
Mark Fistric
Rob Klinkhammer

Mostly role player types, didn't see any RW that I cared for tho. Cooke-Ott-Kaleta would be the most hated line in the league
Fistric and Bozak interest me from that list. (edit: and both meet Djp's criteria above)

Any interest in Bolduc or Exelby?

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Is our D as of right now. Looking at the free agent pool...Lydman could be brought back on a short term deal. Mark Fistric, Ian White, etc.

2-3 year deal, 2-3 million per.
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They likely need a mid-pairing type guy on defense, someone who can play a 4/5 role at least so they aren't forcing the kids to play more than they need to and aren't paying more than they need to if the vet gets supplanted by the kid. Ian White comes to mind as a possibility.
Great minds.

Baring further purges of the forward core (trading Vanek/Stafford, buying out Leino), any pickups we make via UFA will be role 3rd/4th line forwards/4/5/6 D-men.

There's a few decent ones out there who could fit right in.

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we should be looking for the Grier's and Numminen's of free agency... not long term, big contract, big position players
Exactly. Bridge the gap

How about this? If we can move Miller and/or Vanek take back a bad contract with a year or 2 left on it to make it work.

Vanek for Picks/young NHL player/Prospect and an overpaid vet with a couple years left.

We'll still come out ahead on the $.

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