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Vancouver offered Luongo for Scrivens + two 2nd rounders.

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04-04-2013, 11:36 AM
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Nobody is going to trade for Luongo this summer. The Canucks HAVE to buy him out. And every GM knows that. Who in their right mind would move assets AND take that contract on knowing they can sign him to a new one after the buyout without giving anything up?

There is zero chance the Canucks would pass on buying him out. They literally can't afford it under the cap. Other GM's know this. Gillis is going to look awful this summer.
This guy gets it. On the other hand, if Schneider is the one that is moved... that's pretty intriguing.

I can just see the topic threads now.. "Mac + Bozak + 3rd for Schneids"

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This situation is comical. Gillis is handling Luongo much much worse then Howson handled Nash or Feaster handled Iggy. And Gillis will get the lowest return of all these trades!
... those are all completely different situations...

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Why not keeping both?

they dont want to trade Schneider, they dont want to pay 27 000 000$ for a buyout.

Keep everyone and everybody is happy.
Luongo sure doesn't look too happy.

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This guy gets it. On the other hand, if Schneider is the one that is moved... that's pretty intriguing.

I can just see the topic threads now.. "Mac + Bozak + 3rd for Schneids"
Ya because Schneider is going for far less than Lindback and Bishop...

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It's not cap-hit. It's term.
Wrong again, its cap hit and term. Unless you want to justify to me that goalies at ages 39-43 are worthy of a 5.3 million dollar cap hit?

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It's not cap-hit. It's term.
Sorry, i'll rephrase, it's the length of time we will be carrying some type of cap for this contract.

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04-04-2013, 11:38 AM
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To PHI:

Luongo (25% off)

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Couturier
2014 1st

PHI buys out Bryz and he goes to one of those 3 teams mentioned.
No way would I ever touch this. How does this help Philly at all, we just got rid of a goalie with an awful contract so we trade for another one at the cost of our best prospect and a 1st? And there is no way Van would eat 25% of the cap. And if OP is right and that was the offer for Luongo, why would we be upping the offer ten times?

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04-04-2013, 11:39 AM
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Has nothing to do with money....term and cap, that's it.
Term and potential penalty you mean. Cap hit is cheap.

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Ya because Schneider is going for far less than Lindback and Bishop...
Should've included a

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Why not keeping both?

they dont want to trade Schneider, they dont want to pay 27 000 000$ for a buyout.

Keep everyone and everybody is happy.
1. Luongo is not happy
2. allow me to introduce to you, Salary Cap

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Which is why taking the contract should be enough in a move and everyone sees that now. A 2nd round pick from Toronto should have got it done but ego,pride,ect.....stopped the deal from going down. How can you justify going to the owner of the Canucks if your MG and saying" Toronto will take the contract but I want more in return so cut me a cheque to buy him out". As the owner I would say get on the phone NOW and deal him to Toronto for peanuts. I actually felt bad for luongo at the press conference because he even knows like everyone else his contract sucks. I still think after all this that Toronto will end up with luongo at the draft.
Just to add to this in what world is a 2nd round draft pick worse then a owner cutting a cheque for over 25 million so a player can leave his team. Bad business

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Wrong again, its cap hit and term. Unless you want to justify to me that goalies at ages 39-43 are worthy of a 5.3 million dollar cap hit?
Some goalies are. But as Luongo has mentioned, he has no intention of playing to the end of his contract.

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Some goalies are. But as Luongo has mentioned, he has no intention of playing to the end of his contract.
Is there a quote on this?

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04-04-2013, 11:53 AM
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Should've included a
Troll all you want most of us smart Canucks fans are more shocked that the Canucks are near the top of the league right now.

I don't know what that says about most of the league. Canucks defense is just awful, powerplay is literally the worst in the league, penalty kill features Andrew Ebbett in a prominent role, and the Nucks are one of the worst face-off teams in the NHL.

Yet still 4th in the west.

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I think Nonis will clearly come to regret this deal. Karma is gonna be a ****.

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I think Nonis will clearly come to regret this deal. Karma is gonna be a ****.
Karma for what?

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Luongo (25% off)

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2014 1st

PHI buys out Bryz and he goes to one of those 3 teams mentioned.
That isn't too bad, make it a 2013 first round and it should work.

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Pick up Tim Thomas for free on 1 year deal.

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I think Nonis will clearly come to regret this deal. Karma is gonna be a ****.
What Karma? He didn't screw or shaft anybody....he decided not to trade for a hockey player.

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Why not keeping both?

they dont want to trade Schneider, they dont want to pay 27 000 000$ for a buyout.

Keep everyone and everybody is happy.
Did you see how upset Luongo looked at the press conference? Pretty sure that's the furthest away from happy that is possible.

I honestly think the only way we can get over this is if we trade Schneider after this season. Its pretty obvious Luongo is not going anywhere with that contract unless Gillis lowers his asking price significantly. At this point I would be happy with a B prospect and a 1st just to end the nonsense.

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Did you see how upset Luongo looked at the press conference? Pretty sure that's the furthest away from happy that is possible.

I honestly think the only way we can get over this is if we trade Schneider after this season. Its pretty obvious Luongo is not going anywhere with that contract unless Gillis lowers his asking price significantly. At this point I would be happy with a B prospect and a 1st just to end the nonsense.
That's actually more than what Gillis was proposing to Nonis.

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I think Toronto should've pulled the trigger on that offer... two 2nd's and a young backup netminder for Luongo? That's peanuts right there for a team that is printing money like there's no tomorrow, when talking about Luongo's contract.

I have a feeling Holmgren will pull a fast one this summer on the Leafs and will land Luongo, after buying out Bryzgalov and Nonis will regret not moving two meaningless picks for a proven netminder.

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Gillis should have just offered Luongo straight up for Scrivens. Why did he not do this? Matter of principle?

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I think Toronto should've pulled the trigger on that offer... two 2nd's and a young backup netminder for Luongo? That's peanuts right there for a team that is printing money like there's no tomorrow, when talking about Luongo's contract.

I have a feeling Holmgren will pull a fast one this summer on the Leafs and will land Luongo, after buying out Bryzgalov and Nonis will regret not moving two meaningless picks for a proven netminder.
How will it be a fast one? If Nonis wanted him, he could have had him.

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Why do people think the Canucks would actually have to buy out Luongo? Supposing Luongo wouldn't get picked up on waivers (he would), then Luongo could just refuse to report to the AHL and the Canucks could void the contract. Then Luongo gets out of the contract, exactly as he said he would love to.

The big thing with people saying "wait until the Canucks buy him out then sign him" is that it won't be that easy. If that happens, he probably goes to a Florida team (and probably has a cap hit much higher the 5.33). For any other team, trading is the only way to dependably get him.

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