HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > Philadelphia Flyers
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

The All-Purpose Goaltending Thread #9

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
04-04-2013, 12:35 PM
  #876
Flyotes
DownieFaceSoftener
 
Flyotes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 5,186
vCash: 500
You heard it hear first: Reese gets credit for teaching Bob not to pass to the other team.

Konggwadwuleartions!!!

Flyotes is offline  
Old
04-04-2013, 01:09 PM
  #877
StoneHands
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 1,095
vCash: 2425
Quote:
Originally Posted by LegionOfDoom91 View Post
I would say our defense in 2010 had a greater impact on Leighton's season than Reese.
And I would say our defense in 2011 had a greater impact on Bob's season than Reese.

StoneHands is offline  
Old
04-04-2013, 01:16 PM
  #878
Beef Invictus
Global Moderator
Beef Runner
 
Beef Invictus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Centreville
Country: Lord Howe Island
Posts: 41,637
vCash: 500
Reese definitely did a good job with Bob on his puck handling. You could practically see a game-to-game improvement, obviously helped by the athleticism and openness Bob had to coaching. He was laughably bad handling the puck when he first started here. He made Boosh look like Hextall or Brodeur, yet improved quite a bit not only by the end of the first season, but even more his second year.

However, that he went 2 seasons here with a relatively minimal change in his stance is also a bit damning for Reese. Everyone said Bob was extremely coachable, and Bob himself showed it with his steady improvement with the puck. He's responded pretty quickly to coaching in Columbus. So...what was Reese doing in that regard?

__________________
Down in the basement, I've got a Craftsman lathe. Show it to the children when they misbehave.
Beef Invictus is online now  
Old
04-04-2013, 01:28 PM
  #879
StoneHands
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 1,095
vCash: 2425
Quote:
Originally Posted by JDinklage Morgoone View Post
So I guess there was legit criticism of Reese with Bob?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Curufinwe View Post
Quote:
Originally Posted by DownieFaceSoftener View Post
If you read between the lines: Yes.
So let me get this straight. Bob is good for a year under Reese and then goes south on a team that plays an offense first style game in a higher scoring conference. He gets traded to Columbus who plays a defense first style game in a lower scoring conference and is able to turn it around for 25 or so games and it's all because Reese sucks and the Columbus goalie coach fixed him. With this logic, why did Mason win the Calder as an unpolished rookie and then sleadily regress during the next 3+ seasons under this amazing coach? If Mason did this in Philly it surely would have been blamed on Reese for ruining his development.


Last edited by StoneHands: 04-04-2013 at 01:33 PM.
StoneHands is offline  
Old
04-04-2013, 01:44 PM
  #880
BillDineen
Registered User
 
BillDineen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,983
vCash: 500
Sam Carchidi ‏@BroadStBull 5m
Mason: "My job is to come in here + become the goaltender the organization believes I can be _ and that’s to be a No. 1 goaltender."#Flyers

BillDineen is offline  
Old
04-04-2013, 01:46 PM
  #881
JDinkalage Morgoone
U of South Flurrida
 
JDinkalage Morgoone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: 308 Negra Arroyo Ln.
Country: Uzbekistan
Posts: 12,561
vCash: 500
Extending someone before they even play is beyond ridiculous. Even if it's a one year deal.

__________________
"Help was not promised, lovely girl. Only death."
JDinkalage Morgoone is offline  
Old
04-04-2013, 01:48 PM
  #882
Beef Invictus
Global Moderator
Beef Runner
 
Beef Invictus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Centreville
Country: Lord Howe Island
Posts: 41,637
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by JDinklage Morgoone View Post
Extending someone before they even play is beyond ridiculous. Even if it's a one year deal.
If it's really cheap I'm fine with it. They spent a pick on the guy, might as well make sure he's around for more than a few weeks.

Beef Invictus is online now  
Old
04-04-2013, 01:50 PM
  #883
JDinkalage Morgoone
U of South Flurrida
 
JDinkalage Morgoone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: 308 Negra Arroyo Ln.
Country: Uzbekistan
Posts: 12,561
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beef Invictus View Post
If it's really cheap I'm fine with it. They spent a pick on the guy, might as well make sure he's around for more than a few weeks.
Right, but if it is anywhere close to Carchidi's prediction, WOW.

JDinkalage Morgoone is offline  
Old
04-04-2013, 01:55 PM
  #884
BernieParent
Registered User
 
BernieParent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Montreal, QC
Country: Canada
Posts: 8,459
vCash: 500
Proposed new Bryzgalov nickname: the Ugly Ducking.

BernieParent is offline  
Old
04-04-2013, 01:57 PM
  #885
LegionOfDoom91
Registered User
 
LegionOfDoom91's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 15,672
vCash: 500
The funny thing about Mason is his rookie year he was without his normal goalie coach. His normal coach was Clint Malarchuk (most known as the goalie who nearly died during a game when he caught a skate blade to the jugular) nearly killed himself that year when his shotgun discharged and nearly blew his face off.

LegionOfDoom91 is online now  
Old
04-04-2013, 02:02 PM
  #886
Beef Invictus
Global Moderator
Beef Runner
 
Beef Invictus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Centreville
Country: Lord Howe Island
Posts: 41,637
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by JDinklage Morgoone View Post
Right, but if it is anywhere close to Carchidi's prediction, WOW.
I'm hoping Carchidi is just throwing crap out there. Because that number is dumber than drinking gasoline to get drunk.

Beef Invictus is online now  
Old
04-04-2013, 02:05 PM
  #887
SolidSnakeUS
Registered User
 
SolidSnakeUS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Pipersville, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 30,983
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beef Invictus View Post
I'm hoping Carchidi is just throwing crap out there. Because that number is dumber than drinking gasoline to get drunk.
What about Changaa?

SolidSnakeUS is online now  
Old
04-04-2013, 02:06 PM
  #888
LegionOfDoom91
Registered User
 
LegionOfDoom91's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 15,672
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beef Invictus View Post
I'm hoping Carchidi is just throwing crap out there. Because that number is dumber than drinking gasoline to get drunk.
He did say it was his guess on the number.

LegionOfDoom91 is online now  
Old
04-04-2013, 02:06 PM
  #889
BillDineen
Registered User
 
BillDineen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,983
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beef Invictus View Post
I'm hoping Carchidi is just throwing crap out there. Because that number is dumber than drinking gasoline to get drunk.
He pulled it out of the same place Randy Miller pulled his Couts + 2nd suggestion. Hint: you sit on yours.

BillDineen is offline  
Old
04-04-2013, 02:22 PM
  #890
Flyerfan4life
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Richmond BC, Canada
Country: England
Posts: 13,137
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillDineen View Post
Sam Carchidi ‏@BroadStBull 5m
Mason: "My job is to come in here + become the goaltender the organization believes I can be _ and that’s to be a No. 1 goaltender."#Flyers
given how the current #1 is playing, that should be fairly easy for Mason to be the new #1..

Flyerfan4life is offline  
Old
04-04-2013, 02:23 PM
  #891
SolidSnakeUS
Registered User
 
SolidSnakeUS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Pipersville, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 30,983
vCash: 500
I'm curious, what is the best asset that Mason has? I've always notice he has very long and lanky legs.

SolidSnakeUS is online now  
Old
04-04-2013, 02:28 PM
  #892
Flyotes
DownieFaceSoftener
 
Flyotes's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 5,186
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by StoneHands View Post
So let me get this straight. Bob is good for a year under Reese and then goes south on a team that plays an offense first style game in a higher scoring conference. He gets traded to Columbus who plays a defense first style game in a lower scoring conference and is able to turn it around for 25 or so games and it's all because Reese sucks and the Columbus goalie coach fixed him. With this logic, why did Mason win the Calder as an unpolished rookie and then sleadily regress during the next 3+ seasons under this amazing coach? If Mason did this in Philly it surely would have been blamed on Reese for ruining his development.
Bob had flaws in his game. The Flyer's offense style first had dirt to do with some of the goals he let in. To pretend that a player goes south because of the offensive style of a team is mentally lazy. Sure, they'll have more goals against, but certain goals are purely due to bad technique. You see them. I see them. They happen when the team is set up 100% defensively 5on5, right after a line change, right after a faceoff in the defensive zone, with 100% rested players, with the best defensive unit on the ice, and I'm not talking about shots right off the faceoff, either.

Bob's saying, I had some flaws in my game and I've worked on them here (presumably with this new coach and 100 pages of instructions he was given) and that's why I'm playing better along with getting physically larger. Watch him play now-- his technique is better, although he will once in awhile still let in a strange 5-hole or get beaten glove-side.

Reese apparently didn't recognize these mistakes or let Bob know about them. Does it mean that Reese is a bad goalie coach? Not necessarily, but Bob is implying it. The goaltenders that have played under Reese has at least suggested he is mediocre

Does it mean the guy in Columbus is great? Not necessarily, but maybe Bob is his one-hit wonder. That's still a separate issue from Reese himself, who I have never seen any evidence he is good at his job. Maybe it exists-- but until then--

Flyotes is offline  
Old
04-04-2013, 02:52 PM
  #893
StoneHands
Registered User
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Posts: 1,095
vCash: 2425
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolidSnakeUS View Post
I'm curious, what is the best asset that Mason has? I've always notice he has very long and lanky legs.
Mason's best asset is that he isnt signed until next decade.

StoneHands is offline  
Old
04-04-2013, 02:57 PM
  #894
LegionOfDoom91
Registered User
 
LegionOfDoom91's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 15,672
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by StoneHands View Post
And I would say our defense in 2011 had a greater impact on Bob's season than Reese.
I think there's big difference in the talent gap between Leighton and Bob.

LegionOfDoom91 is online now  
Old
04-04-2013, 03:36 PM
  #895
funghoul
retardo montalbon
 
funghoul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: upper drugs
Country: United States
Posts: 1,671
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by StoneHands View Post
Mason's best asset is that he isnt signed until next decade.
seriously and he'll be making less money. less pressure with bryzgalov still here. i just went back and watched some old highlights of him. if this all is a confidence issue, then this could be the best situation for him regardless of it being philly. sleeper maneuver all boiling down to a 2014 playoff matchup with columbus.

funghoul is offline  
Old
04-04-2013, 04:41 PM
  #896
blinds
Registered User
 
blinds's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 1,884
vCash: 500
So what's the deal with Jeff Reese, how is he as a goalie coach? We got him in 2009 and management speaks really highly of him, but I don't see the results and I've heard other people (players too, apparently) doubt his ability. Is he part of the problem?

blinds is offline  
Old
04-04-2013, 04:49 PM
  #897
funghoul
retardo montalbon
 
funghoul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: upper drugs
Country: United States
Posts: 1,671
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by blinds View Post
So what's the deal with Jeff Reese, how is he as a goalie coach? We got him in 2009 and management speaks really highly of him, but I don't see the results. Is he part of the problem?
anyone on here acting like they know what goes on behind the scenes is B.S.ing but i'll do it anyway. he sucks. just based off his influence in decisions that are made about goaltending here. keeping leighton around i think was him. He obviously wasn't high on bobrovsky which proves he's a moron and he seems to have done nothing to help bryzgalov. breakaways and shootouts and not ducking being his big weaknesses. he's living off a stanley cup won by a guy (khabibulen) who was awesome since coming into the league in '96. chris pronger's presence on our team made leighton look good which then reinforced reese's reputation. He was homer's guy tho after firing lemelin but there's got to be better options.

funghoul is offline  
Old
04-04-2013, 04:56 PM
  #898
LegionOfDoom91
Registered User
 
LegionOfDoom91's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 15,672
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by funghoul View Post
anyone on here acting like they know what goes on behind the scenes is B.S.ing but i'll do it anyway. he sucks. just based off his influence in decisions that are made about goaltending here. keeping leighton around i think was him. He obviously wasn't high on bobrovsky which proves he's a moron and he seems to have done nothing to help bryzgalov. breakaways and shootouts and not ducking being his big weaknesses. he's living off a stanley cup won by a guy (khabibulen) who was awesome since coming into the league in '96. chris pronger's presence on our team made leighton look good which then reinforced reese's reputation. There's got to be better options.
Look at Ottawa's goalie coach. I know he's considered to be one of the best in the league but they keep plugging goalies in there whether they're hyped up or not and getting success.

The last two years he's had Bryz and Bob and both of them regressed under his watch. He might not be the main problem but that doesn't exactly mean he's good at his job.

LegionOfDoom91 is online now  
Old
04-04-2013, 05:16 PM
  #899
Beef Invictus
Global Moderator
Beef Runner
 
Beef Invictus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Centreville
Country: Lord Howe Island
Posts: 41,637
vCash: 500
Yeah, I obviously can't say for sure (the guy isn't coaching me), but there might be some sort of deficiency with Reese. Bob was a good experiment to see what Reese is good at coaching, since he was unpolished. Puck movement has been a strong point. Correcting form...not really. Since we have some promising young talent in Stolarz, I'm not sure how I feel about it.

Once again though, gotta just judge from what we've seen from players he's coached.

Beef Invictus is online now  
Old
04-04-2013, 07:44 PM
  #900
MsWoof
Registered User
 
MsWoof's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Toronto
Country: Canada
Posts: 13,233
vCash: 500
This morning, Rick Tocchet was on TSN1050 radio and was talking about Bryz. He strongly indicated that the team doesn't play as hard for him and that he isn't a good teammate. I can't find the link to the podcast but it was on the Macko and Cauz show.

MsWoof is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:56 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2014 All Rights Reserved.