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04-04-2013, 04:01 PM
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Montreal and Boston are two deeper teams. And their special teams(Mon/pp/pk, Bos/pk) are difference makers. I guess that's why they are the top of the East.
I hate Lucic I associate boston with that emotion (Respect him tremendously which is why I hate him that much more). We play really well against boston and I feel like Montreal isn't ready yet. I'm hopeful. Too hopeful I want to be cautious but I'm very hopeful. Much like with the beginning of the season this is a brand new team so I want to see 8-10 games. I think we have about that many left so we'll see I guess.

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I think Boston is the model honestly. There is no reason why the Rangers PP and PK can't be at the top of the league with the talent they have.
Agreed. Yet here we are.

The new additions should help, really theres nowhere to go but up.

Montreal has 40 points from 2 Dmen on the PP. The Rangers have 10, all Dmen combined. Huge problem.

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04-04-2013, 04:17 PM
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@ Off sides: It is pretty ridiculous to suggest that Sather planned to move Gabby all along, so purposely had Torts undermining him the whole season. That is just ridiculous. The guy simply didn't show up to play this season. Now, I could buy that they had plans to move him at some point down the line because they had no plans to re-sign him and didn't want to lose him for nothing. But suggesting there was this elaborate conspiracy theory to tank his #s so he would waive his NTC is pretty ridiculous...

- It hurts the team this season - and you're kidding yourself if Sather or Torts wanted to just give up on this season after having gotten to the ECF last year.

- It hurts Gabby's value in a trade.

- It wastes a year off of core guys' careers' that they are trying to build a contender around.

- And perhaps worst of all, it wastes years on other key pieces' ELCs and low $$ contracts (McD, Hags, Step, MDZ, Kreider, Miller, Stralman). All of those are guys who sometime in the next two years, if re-signed, will be getting anywhere from slight to significant raises. Look at the stanley cup teams since the cap was introduced and you'll see that many of them were able to get that far - at least in part - because they were able to build stacked rosters by taking advantage of the years when they had top young players on cheap contracts. It makes no sense to waste those years purposely sabotaging your team.

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04-04-2013, 04:30 PM
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@ Off sides: It is pretty ridiculous to suggest that Sather planned to move Gabby all along.
Or to suggest that Sather has had some sort of plan for these last 13 years

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04-04-2013, 04:32 PM
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ROR is a 40-50 point player...ppl wanted to trade MDZ+ to get him.

Brassard is an average 2nd line center...and we'll be playing him at 3rd line center...so it lets us underslot someone for a change, rather than overslot them.
This.

I don't get why you guys are going back and forth about whether Brassard is a 2C or not... He's not going to be a 2C for us (even if he is good enough to be a 2C on poor teams). He will be slotted in 3C, so the point is moot. And even if/when we buyout Richards, it is unlikely that if Brassard is still around that he will be moved to 2C. You act like the $6.67 mil that Richards contract would free up wouldn't/couldn't be used to try to find a replacement. Not to mention that the cap almost certainly will be going up after next year.

Though I can see - and agree - that he doesn't seem very defensively sound**; seems to me like that should be the focus of the conversation if we're criticizing the guy. Not a pointless argument over whether he could fill a role he isn't being asked to fill.


** But from an evaluation of the overall trade, the point could be made that neither was Gabby. So its not like you're adding more defensively problematic players onto the team than you had to begin with -- and you're getting other pieces/benefits as well.

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04-04-2013, 04:35 PM
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@ Off sides: It is pretty ridiculous to suggest that Sather planned to move Gabby all along, so purposely had Torts undermining him the whole season. That is just ridiculous. The guy simply didn't show up to play this season. Now, I could buy that they had plans to move him at some point down the line because they had no plans to re-sign him and didn't want to lose him for nothing. But suggesting there was this elaborate conspiracy theory to tank his #s so he would waive his NTC is pretty ridiculous...

- It hurts the team this season - and you're kidding yourself if Sather or Torts wanted to just give up on this season after having gotten to the ECF last year.

- It hurts Gabby's value in a trade.

- It wastes a year off of core guys' careers' that they are trying to build a contender around.

- And perhaps worst of all, it wastes years on other key pieces' ELCs and low $$ contracts (McD, Hags, Step, MDZ, Kreider, Miller, Stralman). All of those are guys who sometime in the next two years, if re-signed, will be getting anywhere from slight to significant raises. Look at the stanley cup teams since the cap was introduced and you'll see that many of them were able to get that far - at least in part - because they were able to build stacked rosters by taking advantage of the years when they had top young players on cheap contracts. It makes no sense to waste those years purposely sabotaging your team.
What did they sabotage?

They have their team exactly where they want it. Fighting to get into the playoffs, set up cap space for this summer, got some good young players.

How do you trade Gaborik if he is happy and has a higher trade value? If he were having a good season he would not waive his clause.

Perhaps Columbus and the Rangers had a deal last year for Gaborik for Nash and Gaborik would not waive his clause?

After the way Torts rid the team of Avery, everything has to be considered.

All the same you are taking this way to seriously.

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04-04-2013, 04:38 PM
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What did they sabotage?

They have their team exactly where they want it. Fighting to get into the playoffs, set up cap space for this summer, got some good young players.

How do you trade Gaborik if he is happy and has a higher trade value? If he were having a good season he would not waive his clause.

Perhaps Columbus and the Rangers had a deal last year for Gaborik for Nash and Gaborik would not waive his clause?

After the way Torts rid the team of Avery, everything has to be considered.

All the same you are taking this way to seriously.
So you're saying you were joking? Which would make sense because what you would otherwise be proposing is bordering on preposterous.

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Yea same, for some odd reason i feel like he belongs there. I'm actually really happy he got sent to columbus. I like rooting for them. They have so many former rangers it's absurd.

Certainly my second favorite team.
Are you saying that as in you now think the trade was a good one? Or as in if Gabby was being traded, you're glad it was to CBJ? If it is the former... holy whip lash batman, talk about a 180.

You were one of the guys on our boards absolutely throwing a hissy fit at having traded Gaborik, *****ing about the return we got, and claiming that those who thought it was a good move "were idiots and didn't have a clue how to run a hockey club." Irony at its finest - when in fact it was quite the reverse.

I'm not saying the return for Gabby was spectacular (though I'm optimistic and think that overall it was a good deal for both sides - and about as good a return as Sather was going to get for Gabby) - but it was absolutely what was needed not only from a team and roster perspective, but from an organizational stand point as well.

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Or to suggest that Sather has had some sort of plan for these last 13 years
He has, it's all culminating for this or next year before he finally retires. Everything from overpaying for UFA in order to reset the market rate for them, to removing the ice dancers in yet another conspiracy, to having the garden remolded with new lights angled suspiciously towards the opposing goal tenders eyes for two periods a game has been exquisitely crafted for his going out season.


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So you're saying you were joking? Which would make sense because what you would otherwise be proposing is bordering on preposterous.
Is it? Is it possible that there are no coincidences?

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Why do you guys not have any faith in Brassard being/becoming a #2 center other than because Richards is here?

He has the talent, no?

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What did they sabotage?

They have their team exactly where they want it.
1. You're the one implying they sabotaged Gaborik.

2. They do? You mean to tell me that after having gotten to the ECF, they WANT to be a playoff bubble team instead of being solidly somewhere in the 1-5 seed?


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How do you trade Gaborik if he is happy and has a higher trade value? If he were having a good season he would not waive his clause.
I don't think you understand what his no trade clause entailed. It was a limited clause - meaning he could list 8 teams that he didn't want to be traded to at the beginning of the season (10 teams? - Rangerboy said this the other day, but I've not seen that elsewhere). All other teams were fair game. And how do you trade him then? Well, if he's not being "sabotaged" (as you claim), then presumably he puts up bigger numbers and playoff teams actually have interest in him. As opposed to what we had, where virtually no solid playoff teams were biting because they didn't see him having a great season and didn't want to take a chance on him turning it around. Is this a serious question?


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Perhaps Columbus and the Rangers had a deal last year for Gaborik for Nash and Gaborik would not waive his clause?
LOL. What?


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After the way Torts rid the team of Avery, everything has to be considered.
No, no, it doesn't when what is being considered approaches fantasy land and instead of recognizing it and making a u-turn, it ****in crashes through the gates.


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If the plan is to buy out Richards and have Stepan and Brassard as the #1 and 2 centers going forward, then this team is in a lot of trouble.

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If the plan is to buy out Richards and have Stepan and Brassard as the #1 and 2 centers going forward, then this team is in a lot of trouble.
I know. Stepan is slow.

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As for the Rangers' side of the deal, McGuire broke it down this way: "Dorsett can fill the void left by Brandon Prust signing with Montreal in the off-season, although he's out right now with a broken collar bone. John Moore is a very good skater, a poor man's Ryan McDonagh. Brassard can be a very good third line center for the Rangers and eventually a 'two'. He'll be comfortable in New York and he thinks the world of Rick Nash, who he played with in Columbus. And if you add the trade for Ryane Clowe, I think the Rangers have done a lot of good things this week."
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Derick Brassard is now tied for 13th in Rangers scoring. I'm being for serious.

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If the plan is to buy out Richards and have Stepan and Brassard as the #1 and 2 centers going forward, then this team is in a lot of trouble.
Why is that?

Richards has not been Richards this year and they still are doing ok.

Are you suggesting Torts should make Richards so unhappy next season he too is willing to waive his clause?


Kidding aside, I think Brassard can be a #2 center, Columbus was all sorts of messed up for a long time, there are many Columbus fans that say he has major skill, which he appears to have, but they say he tends to disappear at even strength. If that is true, is that an uncorrectable problem?

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Derick Brassard is now tied for 13th in Rangers scoring. I'm being for serious.
3rd?

Or are you trollin' me, and I should just imagine there is a there?

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3rd?

Or are you trollin' me, and I should just imagine there is a there?
I think he means in Rangers scoring, as in points scored in a Blueshirt.

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3rd?

Or are you trollin' me, and I should just imagine there is a there?
Not his season's totals. His Rangers totals.

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Got it. Either is pretty impressive.

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1. You're the one implying they sabotaged Gaborik.

2. They do? You mean to tell me that after having gotten to the ECF, they WANT to be a playoff bubble team instead of being solidly somewhere in the 1-5 seed?




I don't think you understand what his no trade clause entailed. It was a limited clause - meaning he could list 8 teams that he didn't want to be traded to at the beginning of the season (10 teams? - Rangerboy said this the other day, but I've not seen that elsewhere). All other teams were fair game. And how do you trade him then? Well, if he's not being "sabotaged" (as you claim), then presumably he puts up bigger numbers and playoff teams actually have interest in him. As opposed to what we had, where virtually no solid playoff teams were biting because they didn't see him having a great season and didn't want to take a chance on him turning it around. Is this a serious question?




LOL. What?




No, no, it doesn't when what is being considered approaches fantasy land and instead of recognizing it and making a u-turn, it ****in crashes through the gates.
Did you not see the Kings last year 8th to Cup. The Rangers always try to emulate last years playoffs in some fashion or another. Betts gets knocked out by Brashear, they sign Brashear. Bruins win with one of the worst power plays, Rangers emulate it the next year.


They had to sabotage Gaborik, if he was happy, he would not waive his clause. I too have seen the report of the clause being for 8 teams, although I have never seen it verified. It has been reported that Gaborik waived his clause to go to Columbus. So Gaborik puts Columbus on his no destination list out of the 8 teams, and then waives the clause to go there? I guess he may do something like that if he is that unhappy. How do they make him that unhappy... We are just going in circles here.

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And really alarming.

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Why is that?

Richards has not been Richards this year and they still are doing ok.

Are you suggesting Torts should make Richards so unhappy next season he too is willing to waive his clause?


Kidding aside, I think Brassard can be a #2 center, Columbus was all sorts of messed up for a long time, there are many Columbus fans that say he has major skill, which he appears to have, but they say he tends to disappear at even strength. If that is true, is that an uncorrectable problem?
Because Stepan as a #1 and Brassard as a #2 absolutely maxes out their potential. A lot is going to have to go right for that to happen.

And in a league that year after year after year proves that elite play down the middle is paramount, Im not too keen on a Stepan/Brassard bet.

This is not me advocating hanging on to Richards by any means after 2014, but the need for the type of player Brad Richards used to be will almost assuredly still be there.

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Because Stepan as a #1 and Brassard as a #2 absolutely maxes out their potential. A lot is going to have to go right for that to happen.

And in a league that year after year after year proves that elite play down the middle is paramount, Im not too keen on a Stepan/Brassard bet.

This is not me advocating hanging on to Richards by any means after 2014, but the need for the type of player Brad Richards used to be will almost assuredly still be there.
That's how I feel about the whole team, sans the King.

And that has to do with depth.

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