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04-03-2013, 03:06 PM
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Yes. Fair trade off for also assuming no extra points as a result of better play on behalf of Dubnyk. A reasonable analysis of what would happen given Oill's question.
Reasonable kind of left the building when Dubnyk's stats were modified to prove a point.

A point which somebody should have back checked first.

Mostly because at 0.910, we would have lost two of the games we went to shoot outs in, in regulation. And, of the other two games, we won one already.

So we would have ended up with -1 point versus our current standings.

And that doesn't even take into account how many other games we could have potentially lost along the way.

I will give you this, though, your goalie would be perfect on a team that could contain the other team, reliably, to less then 28 shots. Then, the difference in sv% will not account for enough goals to make it worth having the shoot out % advantage.

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Reasonable kind of left the building when Dubnyk's stats were modified to prove a point.

A point which somebody should have back checked first.

Mostly because at 0.910, we would have lost two of the games we went to shoot outs in, in regulation. And, of the other two games, we won one already.

So we would have ended up with -1 point versus our current standings.

And that doesn't even take into account how many other games we could have potentially lost along the way.
The stats were modified to answer a question about the outcome IF the stats were modified in a certain way.

We could have potentially lost three more games. Or all five extra goals could have had no effect on the final results for any of the games. Their is a possibility that improved goalie play could have lead to more offence.

Extrapolate an extra five goals over 29 games for the season and you can pinpoint exactly two of the games those goals would have impacted?! With that level of ability you can definitely make some money in Vegas.

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04-03-2013, 04:25 PM
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Scoobie Doobie Doo's save percentage is equal to or better than all those guys. So he must be a better goalie than all of them.

Thanks for proving my point.
Your point is that bad stick-handling doesn't make a bad goalie and doesn't inflate stats?

Alrighty then, thanks for clearing that up!

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04-03-2013, 05:22 PM
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The stats were modified to answer a question about the outcome IF the stats were modified in a certain way.

We could have potentially lost three more games. Or all five extra goals could have had no effect on the final results for any of the games. Their is a possibility that improved goalie play could have lead to more offence.

Extrapolate an extra five goals over 29 games for the season and you can pinpoint exactly two of the games those goals would have impacted?! With that level of ability you can definitely make some money in Vegas.
What is there to extrapolate? These are games we have already played, we have all of the stats for them. I just subbed in 2 fewer shots and the revised sv%. In two cases we ended up losing outright, in two we stayed in a tie. In one of the ties, we already won the shoot out, and it would be very safe to assume that a goalie with a 1.000% shoot out stat would have won the second.

As for gambling...yes, I do do quite well with gambling...well the card tables any ways. Always look for the dealer that doesn't look at players cards...rookies, always play by the book.

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Spoke too soon

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04-03-2013, 11:43 PM
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.905 is a pretty terrible save percentage. How about .910 for perfection in the shootout?

Sadly for the Dubnyk fans it is quite possible that the team could be better off in that scenario and it's not that hard to imagine.

Dubnyk with stronger stickhandling cuts down on one shot a game. Dubnyk with better rebound control cuts down on one more shot a game.

Take those two changes and he allows five more goal over this season gets him to .910. Is that worth three more points in the standings right now for winning the three games he lost in the shootout?

I know what I'd pick.
If he drops from .922 to .905 that's an extra 15 goals against (850 shots). That's probably worth more than 3 points. FYI, Quick, Brzgalov and Brodeur are at or below .905, so no you don't get to reallocate all dubies' skillz and bump the sv% to .910. FYII (lol) At .910 it's still an extra 10 goals against.

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04-03-2013, 11:45 PM
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The stats were modified to answer a question about the outcome IF the stats were modified in a certain way.

We could have potentially lost three more games. Or all five extra goals could have had no effect on the final results for any of the games. Their is a possibility that improved goalie play could have lead to more offence.

Extrapolate an extra five goals over 29 games for the season and you can pinpoint exactly two of the games those goals would have impacted?! With that level of ability you can definitely make some money in Vegas.
If he lets in 5 more goals he only goes down to .916 shoop. Nice twy, go fish.

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If he lets in 5 more goals he only goes down to .916 shoop. Nice twy, go fish.
Lets in 5 more goals and cuts down two shots a game. Please read all of a post instead of cherry picking part of it to discredit the argument.

fwiw Dubnyk only had a .905 save percentage tonight.


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Lets in 5 more goals and cuts down two shots a game. Please read all of a post instead of cherry picking part of it to discredit the argument.

fwiw Dubnyk only had a .905 save percentage tonight.

But he made all those clutch saves you have been on him about when the game was on the line...and handled the puck well...leading to less shots on net and a lower save %...and of course a win


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Lets in 5 more goals and cuts down two shots a game. Please read all of a post instead of cherry picking part of it to discredit the argument.

fwiw Dubnyk only had a .905 save percentage tonight.
You should try watching.
Its quite enlightning

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But he made all those clutch saves you have been on him about when the game was on the line...and handled the puck well...leading to less shots on net and a lower save %...and of course a win

When he raced out in the second to stop a Flames short handed chance that was nicely done.

The two goalposts also helped.

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When he raced out in the second to stop a Flames short handed chance that was nicely done.

The two goalposts also helped.
funny...me and my rose colored glasses dont recall those!!!


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04-04-2013, 09:04 PM
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When he raced out in the second to stop a Flames short handed chance that was nicely done.

The two goalposts also helped.
Dubnyk's goalposts are clearly two to three times regulation size. How can goalies with regular size posts compete with his SV%?

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04-04-2013, 09:40 PM
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But he made all those clutch saves you have been on him about when the game was on the line...and handled the puck well...leading to less shots on net and a lower save %...and of course a win

haha

Dubnyk is playing well right now, I give him that. Hopefully he doesn't pull a Luongo tonight. I shouldn't even say it. Bad poster...

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Dubnyk's goalposts are clearly two to three times regulation size. How can goalies with regular size posts compete with his SV%?
These are magic goalposts, they move, like telephone polls when Khabi is driving..

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Lets in 5 more goals and cuts down two shots a game. Please read all of a post instead of cherry picking part of it to discredit the argument.

fwiw Dubnyk only had a .905 save percentage tonight.
You're trying to stack your opinion of Duby's rebound & puck control vs an actual stat like sv% shoop. FYI the opinions of anonymous hf posters don't carry that much weight.

In any event, if he was giving up big, juicy rebounds and turnovers like you are implying that would also be hurting his sv% because he'd be surrendering high quality shot opportunities.

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Up to .923 after tonight and GAA down to 2.50. With a respectable team in front of him Dubey will be a perfectly good #1 goalie.

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04-09-2013, 12:57 AM
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Up to .923 after tonight and GAA down to 2.50. With a respectable team in front of him Dubey will be a perfectly good #1 goalie.
With the pressure off Dubnyk turns it up a notch. Not actually enough to make the games meaningful again.

Where have I seen this before?

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With the pressure off Dubnyk turns it up a notch. Not actually enough to make the games meaningful again.

Where have I seen this before?
He would feel a lot less pressure if he didn't have to face 10 more shots than the opponents goalie every night.

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With the pressure off Dubnyk turns it up a notch. Not actually enough to make the games meaningful again.

Where have I seen this before?
How was the pressure off Dubnyk yesterday?

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With the pressure off Dubnyk turns it up a notch. Not actually enough to make the games meaningful again.

Where have I seen this before?
Do you actually know what you're trying to say? I think you don't understand the words you're typing out.

That game last night was meaningful, and the ONLY reason the Oilers were even in a position to get anything out of that game was Dubnyk, unless you turned the game off.

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With the pressure off Dubnyk turns it up a notch. Not actually enough to make the games meaningful again.

Where have I seen this before?
In the last three must-win games, the Oilers have scored two goals.

Totally Dubnyk's fault. If only his stickhandling was better, he could make more outlet passes to the forwards.

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04-09-2013, 11:31 AM
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In the last three must-win games, the Oilers have scored two goals.

Totally Dubnyk's fault. If only his stickhandling was better, he could make more outlet passes to the forwards.
The Oilers were effectively out of the playoff run before the Anaheim game. Nothing meaningful left for the team this season.

Look at Dubnyk to pad his stats while not facing real must win pressure at any point for the rest of the season.

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The worst part about Dubbie's success is that he's likely going to require a decent raise after next year, right at the time the cap will really start to become a crunch.

We'll have used up his 'value years' feeling things out, while Katz parades around working on the new arena and Tambo does nothing but walk to the podium to select 1st year after year.

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