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04-04-2013, 09:35 PM
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Unreal how many chances we could not finish-

Oh well- 2 with Chicago this weekend- unless we can pull off a miracle our playoff chances may be done come Monday

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this game was hot garbage. we got too confident early and didnt finish.

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04-04-2013, 09:42 PM
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the choice to skate or chip is based on what options present themselves. Too often our fanbase lambastes our players for making the right decision given the situation.
Of course my comments come from a guy who has never played the game only watched it for many years. Playing and watching are two totally different things. I see your point but it would be good to see them carry it in more but that probably depends also on the players' own abilities too. Hopefully we'll get some guys in the future that can do a better job than that.

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Well fudge.
This is the Best short summary of the season that we will see.

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04-04-2013, 09:48 PM
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Well that was a big nail in the coffin for this season ...we just can't score. We depend on the deflection as our offense. Which is basically no offense. We are done

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04-04-2013, 09:50 PM
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Lol anybody else just catch Grimson with that slip up?

"I really liked Legwand on both sides of the ****..errr, puck"

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04-04-2013, 10:18 PM
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This season is done. All I ask is they play hard which they did but they couldn't put a beach ball in the net. Rinne can only keep them in it so long.

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Of course this ****in ***** Gaborik has 3 goals in the last 25 for the Rangers but he had no trouble getting one tonight. What an asscrack

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I have never seen a team get so much sustained pressure and so many chances without burying anything. It's ridiculous...

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04-04-2013, 11:14 PM
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Unreal how many chances we could not finish-

Oh well- 2 with Chicago this weekend- unless we can pull off a miracle our playoff chances may be done come Monday
Officially maybe, but I think our playoffs chances were realistically gone before tonight. This team just doesn't have "it".

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Of course this ****in ***** Gaborik has 3 goals in the last 25 for the Rangers but he had no trouble getting one tonight. What an asscrack
he'll be in the KHL soon enough

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Officially maybe, but I think our playoffs chances were realistically gone before tonight. This team just doesn't have "it".
that "it" left Nashville for Minnesota & we decided to get nothing for "it" at the all star break

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that "it" left Nashville for Minnesota & we decided to get nothing for "it" at the all star break
Poile just let them this team die on the vine. The only reason we stayed as close as we did Wilson had the start of a good season and when he went out that was it. Rinne and Weber were average this year and they still are great players but you can tell there was no passion in their play. Suter and Tootoo took the it factor away from this team.There is always the waiver wire next season

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04-05-2013, 05:01 AM
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Did you guys really expect much? We're not a great offensive team with everyone healthy, but take Wilson, Bourque, Erat and 1/2 of Fisher out of our line-up and we're really going to struggle.

I didn't mind trading Erat but we need a replacement, soon.

Mueller, Yip, Spaling, Clune and Halishuk are all really good AHL players or average 4th liners, they can't be your main players.

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04-05-2013, 08:04 AM
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Did you guys really expect much? We're not a great offensive team with everyone healthy, but take Wilson, Bourque, Erat and 1/2 of Fisher out of our line-up and we're really going to struggle.

I didn't mind trading Erat but we need a replacement, soon.

Mueller, Yip, Spaling, Clune and Halishuk are all really good AHL players or average 4th liners, they can't be your main players.
You forgot to throw Gaustad in there as well. Why is he centering one of our top 2 lines? Anyone? Does that make any sense to you or me? Any reason he's out there late in the game when we need a goal? I'm not saying Smith has been on fire but if he's an offensive talent and Gaustad is a faceoff specialist PK guy, does it matter if we give up a goal down 3-1? Not really but getting a goal in that situation is a lot more important than worrying about giving up a goal.

I agree with your assessment of all the guys above except Spaling. He's a solid 3rd line checking center. He'll chip in offensively with timely goals. He's a smart player. While he doesn't do anything exceptionally well, he won't hurt you out there on the ice and is a solid PK'er.

Clune and Yip and your typically 4th line energy guys. While they may not be exciting, they do what they're supposed to do on a 4th line. And this is no slam on you or your comments but Yip and Clune come to play every night and while they sometimes get bumped up a line or two, that's that not their fault, they're being put in situations that don't fit their skill sets. They should get 10-12 minutes a night and leave it at that.

Now as far as the game and strategy goes, one thing I noticed that drove me bat s*** crazy last night is our poor attempts time after time with the dump and chase. We're not going to win every dump and chase battle, I get that. We're certainly not going to win any of the battles if we do it the way we were executing it last night. Guys standing at the blue line, a guy skating up and dumping the puck in and then our guys going from a complete stop to try and win the puck against a guy who already has motion and a 6-8 foot head start. Very easy for the other team to retrieve the puck and move it out of the defensive zone. Are we trying to set up our forecheck and hope for the best? Well, our best on the forecheck didn't work. How about do what other teams do when it comes to a dump and chase. Have one or two guys skating through the neutral zone with speed, dump the puck and have a battle in the corner. Heck, if you have enough speed, you'll go around the defender and retrieve the puck first. Now you have the puck down low in the offensive zone. What a concept. Heck, even if you don't beat the defender to the puck, you can battle with him and see who comes out with it. Even if we win that battle half the time, now all of a sudden, we have puck possession in the offensive zone instead of not having the puck. I know this is a novel concept but if you don't have the talent to play a puck possession game and have the ability to skate the puck into the offensive zone, give your guys a chance to win the puck in the dump and chase. Isn't this a break out type of pattern or system that is taught? Aren't guys shown, here's the best way to do this? This doesn't seem like a hard thing to do. I watch other teams do this on a nightly basis and it works. The other thing is, if that's our only way to enter the zone, other teams know we're going to dump and chase and cheat going back so you better do it right or you have no chance of getting the puck. Also, if the other team is cheating, skate the puck in because they've given you the blue line.

One other thing on this, we try to chip the puck in a lot of times and the puck barely makes it across the blue line. If you're going to do that, get the puck deep. Tip it and tip it well. Instead it's a feeble attempt and getting the puck in. I'm not saying it has to be perfect every time but for the love of all things holy, get it more than 10 feet into the zone.

Let's talk about another strategy that pays off for us night in and night out, 2 guys go to the corner to fight for the puck, a third guy is either behind the net or in the other corner waiting on the puck and there is no one in front of the net. It's really hard to score goals from behind the net. The better angle is from in front of the net. If we do win the battle in the corner, our guys will throw the puck to the front of the net because of years of instinct but there is no one there and the other team is heading up ice either 2 on 2 or 3 on 2. So why do we see the same thing year after year after year. Let's play the perimeter yet our coaches preach going to the hard areas. Well, to me this sounds like a paradox of sorts. I see different guys come in from different systems but then they are taught to play the Predator way and that is guys along the boards but then the coach tells the media we need to crash the net and go to the hard areas. Well which is it, are we teaching them the system that is a perimeter game or are we teaching them, some guys go to the corner to battle and other guys need to go to the front of the net? You can't have it both ways.

And speaking of the front of the net, why is other teams consistently have guys in front of Rinne but only Hornqvist will park in front of the other teams goalie but he doesn't even do that all the time anymore. Holmstrom was a master at it, puck goes into the offensive zone, Holmstrom in front of the net, all the time. Why is Hornqvist anywhere else on the ice on the PP? Park in front of the net. It takes a defenseman out of the play, now you've got a screen on the goalie and a 4 on 3 effectively which is harder to defend than a 5 on 4. It's simple geometry. More time and space. What a concept. You've also created a screen in front of the goalie. Simple easy concepts that any player can do.

So why are we not doing basic things that these guys are taught from a very young age. I get it, hockey is a complicated sport with complicated schemes but these are basic techniques that work.

I also don't get the fact that your GM tells an aging vet that we're going in a different direction, youth movement, yet your coach is insisting on playing a 4th line grinder on a top line instead of a guy that your GM signed to an extension this past offseason that feels is the future of the team. I think the GM and coach need to discuss these things more and while it should ultimately be the coaches decision who plays where, if the GM's philosophy is to go with the young guys, the coach should be playing the young guys and getting them the experience. It may not be pretty and we may not win as many games now but in the long run it pays off. I just don't see how the GM and the coach are on the same page right now.

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We have never been a smart offensive team. One of the key issues with this is that we have poor puck handlers. It isn't necessarily that the instincts are bad, it is that the passes aren't crisp, and no one can skate the puck into dangerous areas effectively or routinely. I liken it to a basketball player that has a hard time dribbling. I.e., none of our players "know how to dribble".

Suter was the best player at it. Legwand next. Erat only because he would doggedly put his head down and refuse to look for any other outlet. Two of those three are gone. Now we are seeing Josi and Ellis emerge as players that can carry the puck semi-effectively. Honestly, if they continue to improve next year, our offense will improve dramatically. We run such a tight system that we need 2-3 puck carriers to change our offensive flow from chip/dink/dunk/chase, etc. into a more well rounded game. We have been forced to rely more on the former simply because we haven't had the consistency (for Trotz) in the latter.

My 2 cents.

EDIT: Ellis is actually very very good at it. It is shame how much we have reeled him in this year. He is absolutely dynamic with the puck, even if his skating isn't amazing.

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I have never seen a team get so much sustained pressure and so many chances without burying anything. It's ridiculous...
I have. We (the Jackets) had a similar game against Edmonton earlier that drove us absolutely up a wall.

I would have picked pretty much any other team in the NHL to make up for that against. Oh well.

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Glen, I didn't mean to slight any of those guys they're all role players and are all effective in their own way but when your entire team is made up of role players you're not going to score much. That's where we are now.

Enoch, one of the things I love about the Beck-Hornqvist-Legwand line is how well they have that net presence. They cycle the puck as good as any line we've had. They also enter the zone better than most of our typical lines, mixing it up carrying some and dumping at the right times. That line last night seemed to generate stuff every shift.

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Glen, I didn't mean to slight any of those guys they're all role players and are all effective in their own way but when your entire team is made up of role players you're not going to score much. That's where we are now.

Enoch, one of the things I love about the Beck-Hornqvist-Legwand line is how well they have that net presence. They cycle the puck as good as any line we've had. They also enter the zone better than most of our typical lines, mixing it up carrying some and dumping at the right times. That line last night seemed to generate stuff every shift.
I totally understand where you were coming from. No worries. I think sometimes people get all up in arms about some of these guys when in reality, they are pieces that can make up a very good team but like you said, we have too many of those pieces. Luckily, reinforcements are on the way in the form of talent and some guys will be able to be slotted further down in the lineup where they belong. Imagine if we had Legwand and Fisher on our third line like they're supposed to be?

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Dump and chase was working for the first couple of periods last night. The forecheck was giving the Jackets fits, especially the first. We were generating chances, there were bodies in front of the net, they boys did everything right for the first 2 periods of hockey. 3rd period I think they just ran out of gas. The schedule hasn't been kind.
As far as Goose playing instead of Smith, when Smith learns to play the system instead of free lancing, he'll get his chance. Until then he'll get limited minutes. I don't care who you are or how much you've been signed for if you don't play inside the system you cause more problems then you solve. Unless he was producing a goal a game there isn't a coach in the NHL that will put him out for top minutes. Goose may not have the skill, but he played a solid game and that line created some good chances.
And before anyone says it, when everyone plays the system like they did last night we would win more then we lose. We ran into a red hot goalie last night. He was making saves he didn't even know he made. Position was perfect, his vision was dead on, Bob just plain and simple was the better goalie and that's why the Jackets won.

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Dump and chase was working for the first couple of periods last night. The forecheck was giving the Jackets fits, especially the first. We were generating chances, there were bodies in front of the net, they boys did everything right for the first 2 periods of hockey. 3rd period I think they just ran out of gas. The schedule hasn't been kind.
As far as Goose playing instead of Smith, when Smith learns to play the system instead of free lancing, he'll get his chance. Until then he'll get limited minutes. I don't care who you are or how much you've been signed for if you don't play inside the system you cause more problems then you solve. Unless he was producing a goal a game there isn't a coach in the NHL that will put him out for top minutes. Goose may not have the skill, but he played a solid game and that line created some good chances.
And before anyone says it, when everyone plays the system like they did last night we would win more then we lose. We ran into a red hot goalie last night. He was making saves he didn't even know he made. Position was perfect, his vision was dead on, Bob just plain and simple was the better goalie and that's why the Jackets won.
While a lot of your post is spot on, I know you coach so explain the purpose of a dump and chase. If it's to set up a forecheck I get that, but all the time? Isn't the purpose to get in behind the defense and regain control of the puck before they do as opposed to trying to skate it through their blue line? I don't expect every one to work but if all we're doing is setting up for the forecheck it's a one trick recipe for disaster. I think we have to keep teams guessing what we're going to do and I'm just tired of seeing the same old thing. I'm happy to learn something from you at the same time because I may be missing something in all of this.

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Sorry it took so long to respond. Yes, relying solely on the dump and chase makes it easy to defend against, what you should see is depending on the capabilities of the d you play to the weakness. SO if you have a couple of slower guys or a couple of guys that are weak with the puck, dump and chase is the way to gain the zone.
Other aspect is who can carry the puck into the zone for you. Right now the 2 best on the Preds would be Wilson and Josi. Hard for Wilson to do it form the press box and Josi has other responsibilities.

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