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04-04-2013, 09:59 PM
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Schenn played good tonight. Just sayin

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Schenn-Lauridsen
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Yeeaahhh
At this point I'd call up an FHLer over Foster.


Gus, Gervais, and Huskins have been good so far though!

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04-04-2013, 10:07 PM
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The skilled forwards hide what is a horrible defensive structure. Bryzgalov just adds to the shaky confidence with his play.

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04-04-2013, 10:09 PM
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The skilled forwards hide what is a horrible defensive structure. Bryzgalov just adds to the shaky confidence with his play.
The skilled forward corp of Mike Knuble, Rusty Fedotenko, Adam Hall, and Jay Rosehill? The defense looked fairly confident tonight.

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04-04-2013, 10:12 PM
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The defense is not comfortable. You need teams to play bad and score at least 4 goals to win games.

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04-04-2013, 10:16 PM
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The defense is not comfortable. You need teams to play bad and score at least 4 goals to win games.
Have you seen our goalie? I would say the defense has been playing fine considering its AHL caliber players.

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04-04-2013, 11:24 PM
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Schenn-Lauridsen
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Yeeaahhh
LOL by far worst in the league. Hopefully Timonen is OK and we can get Grossmann back.

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04-04-2013, 11:32 PM
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Have you seen our goalie? I would say the defense has been playing fine considering its AHL caliber players.
Switch the words goalie and defense around and I would agree wholeheartedly...

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04-04-2013, 11:36 PM
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Switch the words goalie and defense around and I would agree wholeheartedly...
So you're saying Bryz is an AHL caliber player?

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04-04-2013, 11:39 PM
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Normally, it's :

Timonen - Schenn
Coburn - Grossmann
Meszaros - Gustaffsson/Foster/Gervais/
(Pronger)

but we lost 3 defensemem to injury in 2 games and a practice. Yes, a practice. We also lost a forward (Briere) in the same practice.
reason #5 not to practice in the thunderdome

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04-04-2013, 11:42 PM
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Greg Millen wouldn't get off Ilya Brygalov's case all broadcast in the Philadelphia Flyers vs Toronto Maple Leafs game tonight.

I actually thought Bryzgalov was neither good or bad. He didn't make any absolutely amazing saves but he didn't really let in any stinkers either. He plays behind one of the league's worst defense groups so naturally his statistics are going to suck. There's a reason why the Flyers have gone through 29 goalies in the past ~7 seasons.

The problem people have with Bryzgalov is his quirky nonchalant attitude that goes along with his highly inflated contract. They see a highly paid goalie have a bad game and is able to shrug it off as a bad outing and they think he doesn't compete hard enough.

Consequently players with a calm demeanor such as; Alexander Semin, Phil Kessel, Sergei Gonchar are always looked down upon in favour of "heart and soul" Canadian grinder-types.

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04-04-2013, 11:46 PM
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Timonen's limping heavily now...

I actually thought Schenn only had an OK game? Basically killed a few offensive opportunities (and an EN goal in a situation where I actually freaked out that he shot it doesn't count)

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04-04-2013, 11:48 PM
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So you're saying Bryz is an AHL caliber player?
"Its" would be referring to the defense in that context.


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04-04-2013, 11:50 PM
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It was a joke but if you think the defense is the reason Bryz is playing like **** I don't know what to tell you. He did his best to nearly lose the last two games for the Flyers.
Was it not the defense that Leighton rode to game 6 of the Finals?

Does this only work in one direction?

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Greg Millen wouldn't get off Ilya Brygalov's case all broadcast in the Philadelphia Flyers vs Toronto Maple Leafs game tonight.

I actually thought Bryzgalov was neither good or bad. He didn't make any absolutely amazing saves but he didn't really let in any stinkers either. He plays behind one of the league's worst defense groups so naturally his statistics are going to suck. There's a reason why the Flyers have gone through 29 goalies in the past ~7 seasons.

The problem people have with Bryzgalov is his quirky nonchalant attitude that goes along with his highly inflated contract. They see a highly paid goalie have a bad game and is able to shrug it off as a bad outing and they think he doesn't compete hard enough.

Consequently players with a calm demeanor such as; Alexander Semin, Phil Kessel, Sergei Gonchar are always looked down upon in favour of "heart and soul" Canadian grinder-types.
100% agree.

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04-04-2013, 11:55 PM
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Was it not the defense that Leighton rode to game 6 of the Finals?
Does this only work in one direction?


100% agree.
Not at all. Pretty sure nobody from the 2010 defense played tonight besides Kimmo and hell even he left the game early...

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Was it not the defense that Leighton rode to game 6 of the Finals?

Does this only work in one direction?


100% agree.
The defense absolutely carried Leighton during that run. They made him look a lot better than he actually was. There was a reason the guy was a career minor leaguer before that.

It's hard to compare the two because the contracts/expectations.

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04-05-2013, 12:02 AM
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Not at all. Pretty sure nobody from the 2010 defense played tonight besides Kimmo and hell even he left the game early...
You are contradicting yourself here and admitting my point at the same time. The 2010 Flyers defense >>>>> 2013 Flyers defense. It isn't close. That is why a goalie like Michael Leighton can put up 2.48 / .920 in 2010 and a goalie like Ilya Bryzgalov is putting up a 2.82 / .899 this season.

In you opinion, how did Michael Leighton backstop a team to game 6 of the Finals? Do you think Bryzgalov would do better, the same, or worse behind that team?
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The defense absolutely carried Leighton during that run. They made him look a lot better than he actually was. There was a reason the guy was a career minor leaguer before that.

It's hard to compare the two because the contracts/expectations.
So why is it so hard to say that the defense can make a goalie look alot worse than he actually is, contracts notwithstanding?

Saying "Bryz sucks" is different than saying "Bryz is overpaid".

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04-05-2013, 12:07 AM
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Flyers 2010 defense was one of the best in the league and absolutely made Leighton look better than what he actually was.

Pronger--Carle
Timonen--Coburn

Was a hell of a top 4. Those 4 guys carried a heavy, heavy load that run. Leighton was the benefactor.

Team has struggled ever since, really because of Pronger's issues.

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Flyers 2010 defense was one of the best in the league and absolutely made Leighton look better than what he actually was.

Pronger--Carle
Timonen--Coburn

Was a hell of a top 4. Those 4 guys carried a heavy, heavy load that run. Leighton was the benefactor.

Team has struggled ever since, really because of Pronger's issues.
This. Bryz would have been great if we had him then.

Shea Weber would have been our savior this year...

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04-05-2013, 12:20 AM
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Greg Millen wouldn't get off Ilya Brygalov's case all broadcast in the Philadelphia Flyers vs Toronto Maple Leafs game tonight.

I actually thought Bryzgalov was neither good or bad. He didn't make any absolutely amazing saves but he didn't really let in any stinkers either. He plays behind one of the league's worst defense groups so naturally his statistics are going to suck. There's a reason why the Flyers have gone through 29 goalies in the past ~7 seasons.
Didn't you actually read that thread?

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Didn't you actually read that thread?
I didn't open it, but the point stands, since I've been following hockey the Philadelphia Flyers have been a goalie graveyard (Toronto Maple Leafs and Ottawa Senators haven't been much better mind you..).

The 29 goaltender stat, no matter how misleading (I'm assuming it includes backups and the like) is telling because it indicates they have they not had a real concrete #1 in a decade. For example, teams like the New York Rangers or New Jersey Devils who employ two of the best goaltenders in the business would surely have a much lower number of goalies playing for them over that span of time.

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I didn't open it, but the point stands, since I've been following hockey the Philadelphia Flyers have been a goalie graveyard (Toronto Maple Leafs and Ottawa Senators haven't been much better mind you..).

The 29 goaltender stat, no matter how misleading (I'm assuming it includes backups and the like) is telling because it indicates they have they not had a real concrete #1 in a decade. For example, teams like the New York Rangers or New Jersey Devils who employ two of the best goaltenders in the business would surely have a much lower number of goalies playing for them over that span of time.
****, I'm going to have to fight that thread for YEARS on here now. It doesn't just include back-ups and such. It counts individual goaltenders multiple times, for every season they played on the team. For example, Ilya Bryzgalov counts twice, Niittymaki counts five times.

As I pointed out in the thread, by comparison the Devils have had 24 goaltenders since 2003-2004, 9 of them named Martin Brodeur.

Your larger point about the consistent suckitude of the Flyers goaltending is valid, but if that bogus 29 goalie stat keeps getting used to illustrate that point, I may have to find whatever low-level intern at RDS "researched" this stat and thrash him with the Flyers yearbooks for the last 9 seasons. The real answer is that the Flyers have used 15 goalies in a game since 2003. It'll be 16 once Steve Mason plays a game.

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Schenn played good tonight. Just sayin
schenn is good most nights. id say he is good 93.8% of the time.

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