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04-05-2013, 03:03 AM
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Mtl - Flyers at Draft


-Beaulieu
-Leblanc
-2nd rounder(calgary)


-Couturier


Mtl get a big 2 way forward that will allow them to trade DD or Pleky
in the future. Till then they can put Cooter with Eller and Chucky on 3rd,
making that line a very good 2way scoring line with a lot of speed and talent.

Philly get a very good quality prospect offensive defensemen who has the same
style as Letang that has that grit and fighting game that flyers
like. They get a good 2 way forward in Leblanc for the third line that would be
able to replace Cooter for at least 2-3 years if not more depending on how
well he develops. And of course Mtl gives them a high 2nd rounder that would
be like a late 1st in 2013.

If the value from either side isn't good give me your opinion on who would need
to add and what.

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-Beaulieu
-Leblanc
-2nd rounder(calgary)


-Couturier


Mtl get a big 2 way forward that will allow them to trade DD or Pleky
in the future. Till then they can put Cooter with Eller and Chucky on 3rd,
making that line a very good 2way scoring line with a lot of speed and talent.

Philly get a very good quality prospect offensive defensemen who has the same
style as Letang that has that grit and fighting game that flyers
like. They get a good 2 way forward in Leblanc for the third line that would be
able to replace Cooter for at least 2-3 years if not more depending on how
well he develops. And of course Mtl gives them a high 2nd rounder that would
be like a late 1st in 2013.

If the value from either side isn't good give me your opinion on who would need
to add and what.
Add your 1st 2013.

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im pretty sure jake gardiner trumps that. if philly wanted to dance

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im pretty sure jake gardiner trumps that. if philly wanted to dance
you definitely have no idea who Beaulieu is do you? lolll

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Pass for the flyers. We want a young d man with first pairing potential for couturier or a #1 dman for couturier+

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Pass for the flyers. We want a young d man with first pairing potential for couturier or a #1 dman for couturier+
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-Beaulieu
-Leblanc
-2nd rounder(calgary)


-Couturier


Mtl get a big 2 way forward that will allow them to trade DD or Pleky
in the future. Till then they can put Cooter with Eller and Chucky on 3rd,
making that line a very good 2way scoring line with a lot of speed and talent.

Philly get a very good quality prospect offensive defensemen who has the same
style as Letang that has that grit and fighting game that flyers
like. They get a good 2 way forward in Leblanc for the third line that would be
able to replace Cooter for at least 2-3 years if not more depending on how
well he develops. And of course Mtl gives them a high 2nd rounder that would
be like a late 1st in 2013.

If the value from either side isn't good give me your opinion on who would need
to add and what.


I agree Philly probably shouldn't do this because NB only has a few NHL games under his belt so he is still risky, but he does have first pairing potential.

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Philly won't do this, habs won't give up what it takes to get couturier. Moving forward I don't think the habs need couturier, if they're trading assets its going to be for a winger not a center.

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I agree Philly probably shouldn't do this because NB only has a few NHL games under his belt so he is still risky, but he does have first pairing potential.
I disagree. I see him more as a 3rd or 4th D man that can QB a PP

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-Beaulieu
-Leblanc
-2nd rounder(calgary)


-Couturier


Mtl get a big 2 way forward that will allow them to trade DD or Pleky
in the future. Till then they can put Cooter with Eller and Chucky on 3rd,
making that line a very good 2way scoring line with a lot of speed and talent.

Philly get a very good quality prospect offensive defensemen who has the same
style as Letang that has that grit and fighting game that flyers
like. They get a good 2 way forward in Leblanc for the third line that would be
able to replace Cooter for at least 2-3 years if not more depending on how
well he develops. And of course Mtl gives them a high 2nd rounder that would
be like a late 1st in 2013.

If the value from either side isn't good give me your opinion on who would need
to add and what.
Way too much for Habs to give up....we pass!

For 2 reasons....Habs plenty deep at center now. Couturier will have trouble scoring in NHL.

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I disagree. I see him more as a 3rd or 4th D man that can QB a PP
Actually, its possible he becomes a 3rd or 4th. But to write him off as a 3rd of 4th would be unfair. He's a really good D and already showed good poise in the 2 games he played. His ceiling is a first pairing Dman, much like Subban. Beaulieu has had an amazing learning curve so far. I would go on a stretch and say that he's a top 5 Defensive prospect, with Brodin and Hamilton now being regular.

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Pass from the Habs.

If I'm trading Beaulieu, or any defense prospect, it's part of a package to bring in an established top pairing guy, not some other prospect. Also not giving Leblanc away for nothing just because he got hurt this year and hasn't bounced back.

We already have 4 good centers (Plekanec, Eller, Desharnais, Galchenyuk).

We already have depth at the wings (Ryder, Gionta, Pacioretty, Bourque, Prust, Gallagher, one of the above centers).

MTL needs to improve their defense and that's about it right now.

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Couturier's lack of speed is a huge concern for me. I see him as a potential 2nd line center or a very good 3rd liner. If his last name was Smith, no Habs fans would have any interest in him let alone overpay in a trade.

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Philly won't trade Couturier for anything less than huge. And no team has come close to offering anything worth considering.

That said, I find it odd that they would demand such a high price for a 3rd line center...I can't see him becoming a 1st or 2nd line center by bumping Schenn or Giroux.

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Way too much for Habs to give up....we pass!

For 2 reasons....Habs plenty deep at center now. Couturier will have trouble scoring in NHL.
We are hardly "deep" at center. Pleks and DD are solid, but not amazing. Galchenyuk could be great, but we'll have to wait and see.

Pittsburgh and Philly are "deep" at center, not us.

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Pass for Couturier from the Habs. I like the kid, but I'm more than satisfied going with Galchenyuk, Desharnais and Eller down the road. What the Habs need to get if we were to offer a package like the OP's, is a young and big scoring LW to play with Galchenyuk in the future, not another center. We're set at Right wing with Collberg, Kristo and Leblanc will come knocking on the door soon enough.

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overpayment from Habs, so not happening. Look forward to revisiting this in 3-4 years when Beaulieu might be better than Couturier

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We are hardly "deep" at center. Pleks and DD are solid, but not amazing. Galchenyuk could be great, but we'll have to wait and see.

Pittsburgh and Philly are "deep" at center, not us.
You seem to forget Elller... And then you forget Leblanc, Dumont, Nattinen, White, Bournival and Vail.

We are deep at C.

Plek is one of the best in the league at what he does, Eller has the ability to pick up a game and flat out win it by himself, Ditto for Chuck. And DD is the kind of consistent depth Centerman every team needs. We are deep at C. Then if one of them is injured we have 5 guys that can either fill in the #4 or #3 post.

Eller and Couts are really similar, one is older and is more dominant while the other is younger and plays a good shutdown game.

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-Beaulieu
-Leblanc
-2nd rounder(calgary)


-Couturier


Mtl get a big 2 way forward that will allow them to trade DD or Pleky
in the future. Till then they can put Cooter with Eller and Chucky on 3rd,
making that line a very good 2way scoring line with a lot of speed and talent.

Philly get a very good quality prospect offensive defensemen who has the same
style as Letang that has that grit and fighting game that flyers
like. They get a good 2 way forward in Leblanc for the third line that would be
able to replace Cooter for at least 2-3 years if not more depending on how
well he develops. And of course Mtl gives them a high 2nd rounder that would
be like a late 1st in 2013.

If the value from either side isn't good give me your opinion on who would need
to add and what.
You realize we have too many centers right so we're in no mood to overpay. Right now I wouldn't even do beaulieu for Couturier.

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Philly won't do this, habs won't give up what it takes to get couturier. Moving forward I don't think the habs need couturier, if they're trading assets its going to be for a winger not a center.
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Way too much for Habs to give up....we pass!

For 2 reasons....Habs plenty deep at center now. Couturier will have trouble scoring in NHL.
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Pass from the Habs.

If I'm trading Beaulieu, or any defense prospect, it's part of a package to bring in an established top pairing guy, not some other prospect. Also not giving Leblanc away for nothing just because he got hurt this year and hasn't bounced back.

We already have 4 good centers (Plekanec, Eller, Desharnais, Galchenyuk).

We already have depth at the wings (Ryder, Gionta, Pacioretty, Bourque, Prust, Gallagher, one of the above centers).

MTL needs to improve their defense and that's about it right now.
i know we don't need centers right now. But the point of the trade is to get
a better, bigger and younger center line for our small wingers coming up like
Hudon, Kristo, Archambault. also Gallagher(even if he's already there).
they would give us the chance to trade a small centermen like DD or Pleky since
they are older and make our team deeper with a better future. You can get a
decent winger for Pleky or DD in 1 or 2 years. Leblanc is unlikely making the team
anyway unless we put him as winger but i don't think thats going to happen.

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Not good for Philly. If they are looking for swap him for a D they should go 1 for 1, a guy like Brodin (not that hes available) as an example.

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i know we don't need centers right now. But the point of the trade is to get
a better, bigger and younger center line for our small wingers coming up like
Hudon, Kristo, Archambault. also Gallagher(even if he's already there).
they would give us the chance to trade a small centermen like DD or Pleky since
they are older and make our team deeper with a better future. You can get a
decent winger for Pleky or DD in 1 or 2 years. Leblanc is unlikely making the team
anyway unless we put him as winger but i don't think thats going to happen.
Pleky expendable ? So who takes his first line duties ?

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Not good for Philly. If they are looking for swap him for a D they should go 1 for 1, a guy like Brodin (not that hes available) as an example.
You're dreaming if you think Couturier would fetch Brodin alone.

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We are hardly "deep" at center. Pleks and DD are solid, but not amazing. Galchenyuk could be great, but we'll have to wait and see.

Pittsburgh and Philly are "deep" at center, not us.
we are actually deep at centre. everyone thinks depth means high end talent?

We have Pleks, DD, Eller and Galchenyuk (who all fall into top 6 categories for actual play and potential)

Then there is Prust (who does play centre), Halpern (right now, likely resigned), White, Dumont

they fall into bottom 6 categories


Then on the farm there is Bournival, Vail, Leblanc (yes I know he has also played alot of wing), Naatinen, Nokelainen (he's gone next year)

these guys fill that 3rd line style if they reach their potentials

Then there is also Prybil and Walsh. they have outside chances, but can top out as 2nd liners

That's 15 Centres for two teams.....pretty deep.




As to the OP. too steep a price to pay for Couturier. We have a similar player in Eller....so why pay such a heavy price for something we already have.

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Pleky expendable ? So who takes his first line duties ?
oh you can keep him for another year or 2 till Chucky gets better or even Eller.
they both can easily take his place on the 1st line, especially Eller in a year from
now.

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Pleky expendable ? So who takes his first line duties ?



You're dreaming if you think Couturier would fetch Brodin alone.
If he was available they likely have similar value.

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i know we don't need centers right now. But the point of the trade is to get
a better, bigger and younger center line for our small wingers coming up like
Hudon, Kristo, Archambault. also Gallagher(even if he's already there).
they would give us the chance to trade a small centermen like DD or Pleky since
they are older and make our team deeper with a better future. You can get a
decent winger for Pleky or DD in 1 or 2 years. Leblanc is unlikely making the team
anyway unless we put him as winger but i don't think thats going to happen.
this draft has alot of what we are looking for. Big forwards with talent. Especially LW, we are pretty weak there.

If Eller and Gally push hard enough for top 6 time that dd (DD is now Drewiske...ha!)and Pleky become expendable, then trade them to fill the biggest needs on the big club....IOW a pure hockey trade.

Don't get me wrong, I like Couturier, but not at the point that I would be willing to pay such a heavy price, especially with so many futures

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