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04-05-2013, 11:47 AM
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Nobody showed Kruger "love" last year, or at least not much of it, but there were a few - myself included - that defended the rookie, in his first N.A season, from a lot of the same ridiculousness that's been directed towards Bolland this year.
Many people on this board praised him for his improved play in the second half. We were just so sick of hearing about the guy. I mean, he was hyped up way too high. And much like that situation, there are a lot of people that are defending Bolland but are kind of drowned out by the barrage.

He'll likely go off in the playoffs and all will be forgotten. I can understand wanting to see more, but I still don't like the role he is in and I don't think it suits him or his skillset well.

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If Kane's offense dried up, he wouldn't irritate you more because he wouldn't be in the NHL.
That's true. I like Kane and wouldn't trade him any player not named Sydney Crosby or Evgeni Malkin.

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Name 5 forwards better than Toews. Definitively you can say Crosby and thats probably about it.
Malkin is better. Gets murkier after that.

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It's funny, it really is. I wonder why nobody called out Stalberg lately with his goal drought he ended last night
Probably because Stalberg is playing on the 3rd line. Bolland, like Kruger last year, were centering the 2nd line, playing with some of the best players in the league. The criticism is warranted. It is pretty clear at this point that neither Kruger or Bolland are 2nd line C material.

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Name 5 forwards better than Toews. Definitively you can say Crosby and thats probably about it.
Malkin. But, I agree that he's a top 5 forward

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Malkin is better. Gets murkier after that.
Definitely gets murky. "Best forward" can mean most skilled, most points, means most to their team, best all-around player....it's a never-ending and murky debate. Good word to describe it. That Stamkos kid has some potential. Might make it in this league.

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04-05-2013, 11:54 AM
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Malkin. But, I agree that he's a top 5 forward
I almost put Malkin there.

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04-05-2013, 11:56 AM
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Probably because Stalberg is playing on the 3rd line. Bolland, like Kruger last year, were centering the 2nd line, playing with some of the best players in the league. The criticism is warranted. It is pretty clear at this point that neither Kruger or Bolland are 2nd line C material.
do we even know what Q/coaches ask out of that spot and want out of this player?

maybe they like the way he's playing overall. I do think that they don't really care about Bollands point totals while playing next to Kane. They care about the goal differential and puck possesion more than about Bollands point totals

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Name 5 forwards better than Toews. Definitively you can say Crosby and thats probably about it.
crosby, malkin, datsyuk, stamkos, maybe giroux and sedin.

the highest i'd put toews is probably 5. if you think the only forward that is better than him is crosby you're crazy.

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Definitely gets murky. "Best forward" can mean most skilled, most points, means most to their team, best all-around player....it's a never-ending and murky debate. Good word to describe it. That Stamkos kid has some potential. Might make it in this league.
Can't believe I forgot Stamkos

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Speaking purely on a skill-set level you can't leave Ovechkin out of the team picture, either.

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crosby, malkin, datsyuk, stamkos, maybe giroux and sedin.

the highest i'd put toews is probably 5. if you think the only forward that is better than him is crosby you're crazy.
I'm not sure how you'd put Sedin anywhere near that list. Both of them are great offensive players and total liabilities on defense. Same with Stamkos and Giroux. If you're going to say they are better than Toews then you need to say Kane. You don't say Kane because you watch him every game and don't just look at point totals.

Crosby, Malkin, Datsyuk and its pretty close with Datsyuk at this point.

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I'm not sure how you'd put Sedin anywhere near that list. Both of them are great offensive players and total liabilities on defense. Same with Stamkos and Giroux.

Crosby, Malkin, Datsyuk and its pretty close with Datsyuk at this point.
Giroux is a pretty solid defensive player.

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BWC wanted him traded and/or waived prior to the deadline and there's numerous fans calling for him to be scratched and/or demoted to the 4th line.

I'm just having a lil fun with it.
I have at various times over last few years called for him to be traded

And yes at this point I would have waived him (Let another team take that final year) if no one would want him by giving up assets

At best he should be back in bottom 6

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It's funny, it really is. I wonder why nobody called out Stalberg lately with his goal drought he ended last night
Cause the effort is there from Stalberg

Bolland is playing lazy hockey in both ends ,, Either that or his back is alot worse then thought

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04-05-2013, 12:10 PM
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Giroux is a pretty solid defensive player.
Giroux was on the ice for 80 goals last year, Toews was on the ice for 60.

I know +/- isn't everything but Giroux had 93 points last year and was a +7. This year he has 36 points and is a -7. Toews was +17 last year and +22 this year.

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Giroux was on the ice for 80 goals last year, Toews was on the ice for 60.

I know +/- isn't everything but Giroux had 93 points last year and was a +7. This year he has 36 points and is a -7. Toews was +17 last year and +22 this year.
Giroux played 18 more games then Toews last year

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04-05-2013, 12:13 PM
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Giroux was on the ice for 80 goals last year, Toews was on the ice for 60.

I know +/- isn't everything but Giroux had 93 points last year and was a +7. This year he has 36 points and is a -7. Toews was +17 last year and +22 this year.
Giroux also played 77 games last year while Toews played 59. The difference in GA/G was negligible last year.

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It's funny, it really is. I wonder why nobody called out Stalberg lately with his goal drought he ended last night
Probably because he had 6 or 7 helpers in that time and remained a + player while not scoring.

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do we even know what Q/coaches ask out of that spot and want out of this player?

maybe they like the way he's playing overall. I do think that they don't really care about Bollands point totals while playing next to Kane. They care about the goal differential and puck possesion more than about Bollands point totals
I would imagine they'd like much more sustained pressure from the 2nd line instead of being consistently pinned in their own zone. The 2nd line hasn't had much puck possession and Bolland has a negative goal differential. Kane racks up most of his points on the PP or while on the ice without Bolland.

Corsi suggests Bolland is the 2nd worst Hawk this year.

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I'm not sure how you'd put Sedin anywhere near that list. Both of them are great offensive players and total liabilities on defense. Same with Stamkos and Giroux. If you're going to say they are better than Toews then you need to say Kane. You don't say Kane because you watch him every game and don't just look at point totals.

Crosby, Malkin, Datsyuk and its pretty close with Datsyuk at this point.
No, the reason I don't say Kane is b/c I don't think that the difference between his and Toews' offense is great enough to compensate for the difference in their defense. With Stamkos, I think it is.

Incidentally, I prefer watching Kane play to Toews...but that's a completely different conversation.

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Giroux also played 77 games last year while Toews played 59. The difference in GA/G was negligible last year.
Well I certainly botched that up in my haste

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crosby, malkin, datsyuk, stamkos, maybe giroux and sedin.

the highest i'd put toews is probably 5. if you think the only forward that is better than him is crosby you're crazy.
What? Defensively Toews is unrivalled. His board work, pretty much the same. There are several players better than him offensively but most of those players are lacking elsewhere. Crosby is an exception, he can play both sides of the puck and I would agree he is better all round but he's still not the leader that Toews is. I'd think long and hard before I traded one for the other, and you know what, I likely wouldn't do it.

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Nah it's not BS. Kane's 1st shift away from Bolly, goal. Quite common.
I don't care what Kane did away from Bolland. Bolland wasn't even close to being responsible for the GA last night, and he's a -2. It's a BS stat. If +/- reflected who was responsible for a GA, Bolland would of been 0 last night.

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[QUOTE=Blackhawkswincup;63358941]Cause the effort is there from Stalberg

Bolland is playing lazy hockey in both ends ,, Either that or his back is alot worse then thought[/QUOTE]

This has been my concern for a few years.

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