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04-05-2013, 10:07 AM
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I go back and forth on Smith. At times he looks like he gets it, others he looks lost.

I don't know if he's strong enough physically to ever be a center though.
That's the main issue I see. He's so weak on the puck, and falls down if someone even leans on him. He's got a great shot, decent skills, but he can't hold on to the puck enough to use them.

He's a good shootout specialist for the moment.

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04-05-2013, 10:10 AM
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Filip Forsberg has just been nominated to the Swedish national team for pre-Worlds exhibition games. Not usual for 18-year olds. #Preds

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04-05-2013, 10:21 AM
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I go back and forth on Smith. At times he looks like he gets it, others he looks lost.

I don't know if he's strong enough physically to ever be a center though.
With his skill set and current development I would bag that and focus on getting him to fill an Sk type roll for now. Leggy fisher wilson spaling gaustad are all better options for at least a year. It also keeps it as simple as possible. I'm still pretty high on him long term. The biggest red flag of all though is that he wasted the opportunity to start this year with the ads....

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04-05-2013, 10:39 AM
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I have been kinda shocked how little attention Latta is getting. I have to think that there is a small chance he turns into a Brad Marchand or less dirty Matt Cooke player. And that player is extremely valuable.

I expect Erat to have a semi career resurgence in Washington. He fits that team very well. Strong with the puck. Excellent one-timer. When he looks, good passing. I think he could hit 70 points. Maybe more. Yeah, it would be an anomaly, but he really is a lesser 1st line or top 2nd line forward. He has huge flaws, but he also has huge pros which will be magnified on a team with true top offensive talent.

I'm going to throw this out there, though - Erat has been a paradox for me his entire career. In some ways, I will never forget Game 5 in Chicago when he single-handedly changed our franchise and Chicago's franchise's history.

Forsberg is a true talent. He has the requisite skills to be an absolutely dominating all around offensive talent. He has puck-handling, shooting, and passing talents that few on this team have ever had. He plays a physical game at times. It was absolutely crushing to watch him drop last year, knowing he would fit our team like a glove, and knowing that we gave up our first and 2nd round picks. We are extremely fortunate to catch GMGM in a vulnerable position with an already full offensive cupboard. We capitalized. Don't be mistaken. We gave up a lot to get this guy. Erat is on the sweetheart portion of his deal, and regardless of his suck play this year, is still a top forward. I would rather have him than Morrow or maybe even Pominville at this point, especially given the contract. Latta is underrated. But. We acquired a guy that very easily could have went number 1 or 2 overall last year. I thought Columbus might take FF. Edmonton debated. This guy is legit. Where his career goes from here, we will find out. Regardless, this was a talent grab that we NEVER get a chance at. Kudos to David Poile. This was a HUGE get for him. Honestly, I've never seen him do this ....

Lastly, don't underestimate the power of having 4.5 million freed up. If used, this isn't just an Erat + Latta for FF trade. Its Erat + Latta for FF + FA trade.

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I think Latta is a good character prospect, but I don't see him touching the offensive ability of Marchand. I think a good comparison for him is Matt Cooke, or even the Capitals own(and Nashville drafted) Matt Hendricks

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Yeah, Latta just doesn't have the scoring ability of Marchand. Consistent 30-35 point player, maybe a couple years where he sneaks up to 40-45 points but not a real offensive threat.

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04-05-2013, 11:14 AM
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Filip Forsberg has just been nominated to the Swedish national team for pre-Worlds exhibition games. Not usual for 18-year olds. #Preds
Awesome. I keep hearing great feedback on this kid.

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04-05-2013, 12:24 PM
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Can't wait to rock a forsberg jersey! At least he will feel right at home because he likes country music I hear and our gold jersey is pretty similar to the yellow for Sweden!

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I go back and forth on Smith. At times he looks like he gets it, others he looks lost.

I don't know if he's strong enough physically to ever be a center though.
I don't think he will be. What kills me is that we often confuse his activity for achievement, because often times his acheivement is stickhandling all pretty and turning the puck over

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I'm going to throw this out there, though - Erat has been a paradox for me his entire career. In some ways, I will never forget Game 5 in Chicago when he single-handedly changed our franchise and Chicago's franchise's history.
This is such bull that people have been fixated on some turnover for the past 4 years and jabbing Erat on the way out.

- Erat scored 4 goals that series, twice as many any Predator.
- That turnover (which was as much Joel Ward's fault for fumbling the pass), happened 180ft away from our goal. They didn't score for another 50 seconds or so, with our best players on the ice (Weber, Suter, included). So putting it all on Erat is horse ****.
- Multiple Klein turnovers that series resulted in direct scoring chances or goals. Not turnovers like Erat that didn't even result in a direct scoring chance.
- This wasn't game 7.

Erat has done way more good than bad, any is easily one of the best Predators in our history. It's appalling that people are saying he single-handily changed our franchise for the worse. APPALLING. I'd say he is one of the major reasons for the success our franchise has had.

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Slow down there. I loved Erat. I supported him fiercely. You can't deny that that sequence which began with an over aggressive Erat was history changing for us though. And for the record - he was awesome in that series.

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Lastly, don't underestimate the power of having 4.5 million freed up. If used, this isn't just an Erat + Latta for FF trade. Its Erat + Latta for FF + FA trade.
Good post (think you are over-rating Latta's upside but we will see) and this last point hasn't been highlighted much but is huge. With the cap decrease for next year, it should be a buyer's market. $4.5M of space, though, is only $2.25M of cash salary for him next year but still.... that plus Hannan's money plus whatever else the Preds are willing to spend could spend well toward a top 4 d-man and/or top 6 forward.

Honestly, Erat is the type of forward that may be traded over the summer from big market teams because his cap hit matters more than the cash hit.

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04-05-2013, 01:50 PM
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You can't deny that that sequence which began with an over aggressive Erat was history changing for us though. And for the record - he was awesome in that series.
I can deny because I can't predict the future. You are assuming we would've won another game. You are assuming that Chicago wouldn't have gotten the puck back anyway. And you are assuming we wouldn't have gotten pummeled in the 2nd rd... etc, etc

Erat was the only reason we were in that game, with his 2 3rd period goals. So for people to be still fixated a turnover that was partially his fault 180ft away from the goal... I think it's not right.

For people to be kicking him on the way (the same people starting "positivity" threads), I think it's not right.

He's done way more good than bad, and a big reason for the success this franchise has had.

On top of that, we should be really thanking him for requesting a trade and forcing Poile to make the kind of move this franchise has needed for years. And giving a list of 10 team including Washington who's currently out of the playoffs-- unheard of for someone with a NTC.

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Could this possibly be the best trade poile has ever made since 1998??

I'm thinking back and what was a better or more exciting trade?!?!

Maybe the Sullivan trade as we got him pretty cheap to.

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04-05-2013, 02:42 PM
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Kimmo Timonen for futures, is the top.

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Kimmo Timonen for futures, is the top.
Holy crap! That is how you guys got Timonen (still learning Preds history)!?

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Holy crap! That is how you guys got Timonen (still learning Preds history)!?
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Shortly after the Olympics, the Kings traded (Kimmo) along with Jan Vopat to the Nashville Predators organization (the team not yet having begun play) in agreement that Nashville would not select Garry Galley in the 1998 NHL Expansion Draft.
I guess you could say that deal worked out ok for us.

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Holy crap! That is how you guys got Timonen (still learning Preds history)!?
Kings gave him to us for not choosing someone in the expansion draft.

Sully trade was probably our best, guy was .99ppg before his back injury.

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Forgot about timonen deal. Also got vokoun for free from Montreal for not taking someone as well. Can't remember.
But this trade has potential to easily be our best

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I guess you could say that deal worked out ok for us.
Galley played 186 games over the rest of his career, just 130 of which were with the Kings. Timonen played 183 games for Nashville over the same span.

Is this the part where we throw our heads back and laugh, or does that come later?

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Galley played 186 games over the rest of his career, just 130 of which were with the Kings. Timonen played 183 games for Nashville over the same span.

Is this the part where we throw our heads back and laugh, or does that come later?
Now's ok.

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It would have been even better but for Vopat's rash.

I think the best trade ever was getting a 3rd from the Sabres for An*y *elmore, who was not only out of the league a half season later but was in the mighty German league by the following season.

Unfortunately, I just looked it up and we turned that pick along with another into Sergei Zoltok (RIP) and Brad Bombadir in an ill fated trade with the Wild. Interestingly, the Wild turned the pick into Clayton Stoner.... since *elmore played like he was stoned, that seems somehow fitting.

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For some of our newer fans.

One of Poile's best trades was in June 29th 2002;

6/29/02 Dallas Stars traded Cameron Mann and the rights to Ed Belfour to the Nashville Predators for David Gosselin and a 5th round selection (Eero Kilpelainen) in 2003

Belfour never played for Nashville, he became a free agent in July and signed with Toronto. Nashville received a compensatory pick, the 49th pick in the 2003, which became our Captain, Shea Weber.

Cameron Mann played 4 games in the NHL

Eero Kilpelainen never did.

Gosselin never made it back to the NHL

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For some of our newer fans.

One of Poile's best trades was in June 29th 2002;

6/29/02 Dallas Stars traded Cameron Mann and the rights to Ed Belfour to the Nashville Predators for David Gosselin and a 5th round selection (Eero Kilpelainen) in 2003

Belfour never played for Nashville, he became a free agent in July and signed with Toronto. Nashville received a compensatory pick, the 49th pick in the 2003, which became our Captain, Shea Weber.

Cameron Mann played 4 games in the NHL

Eero Kilpelainen never did.

Gosselin never made it back to the NHL
Stuff like this makes me excited for the draft. Say what you will about Poile, but the man can draft with the best of 'em. Outside of Enstrom (6th round), Waddell had so many swing and misses (outside of nobrainer picks; ex: Kovy).

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I guess that answer the question of whether he might turn up here or in Milwaukee for a game or two. Can't wait to see FF in prospects camp this summer.

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