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04-05-2013, 09:58 AM
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Whitney is terrible. The Oilers seriously need a couple of to four defenseman so they can shelter Justin better.

This team isn't going anywhere until they get an adequate d-core. There must be a dozen instances a game where the defenseman start with full control of the puck them just give it up.

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04-05-2013, 12:00 PM
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Why do people think Whitney has the potential to recover?Leading up the season, we hears lots about how he was feeling great, fully recovered etc. And he was terrible. His injuries are chronic, his mobility is shot. He's got a nice first past and can read the game well,which is enough to keep him in the league, but that's all there is there ain't no more.
He'll never be as good as he was before but he has 8 points in the last 12 games... That's pretty good offensive production from a blue line that struggles to put up points.

He's gotten better as the year has progressed. But I'd move on if we can bring in a UFA.

Would just hate to let Whitney walk and then fail to bring anyone else in to take his spot.

I like Klefbom but let's break him in slowly.

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04-05-2013, 12:05 PM
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He'll never be as good as he was before but he has 8 points in the last 12 games... That's pretty good offensive production from a blue line that struggles to put up points.

He's gotten better as the year has progressed. But I'd move on if we can bring in a UFA.

Would just hate to let Whitney walk and then fail to bring anyone else in to take his spot.

I like Klefbom but let's break him in slowly.
Again, I'm fine with keeping him as bottom pairing insurance for one year at a very reduced rate. None of this two years business. I'd keep him even if we did score another bona fide defender via UFA or trade. But the price has to be right.

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04-05-2013, 03:59 PM
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04-05-2013, 06:02 PM
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Rather re sign Mark Fistric

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04-05-2013, 06:17 PM
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Rather re sign Mark Fistric
I'd rather both

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04-05-2013, 08:22 PM
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willis posted an interesting Whitney article at OilersNation, worth a read.

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04-05-2013, 11:37 PM
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I vote no.

This team's defense needs improvement. Not the same old, sit tight, stand pat.

We need better players than Whitney, Peckham, Potter, N. Schultz, Fistric, etc.

J. Schultz, Smid, and Petry are the only real keepers IMO.

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04-06-2013, 01:49 PM
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If we can keep Fistric and Whitney on reasonable deals and get a guy like Streit, then our D gets better because we don't have to put guys out for more minutes due to lack of other options.

Whitney becomes a 4-5 guy and Fistric pairs with Potter for our 6-7 in terms of depth.

I think Pecks gets signed and traded.

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04-07-2013, 01:41 PM
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The sad fact, is that there really are no better options available via free agency this summer. I think we almost have to re-sign Whitney. I think he can still fill his role here, the lack of training camp really hurt his start I think. He's been much better recently. I'd much rather move on from Potter than Whitney right now, and Fistric/Peckham don't fill the same role that Whitney does. I'd be cautious about what to offer him, but I wouldn't walk away without offering him nothing.

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04-07-2013, 03:29 PM
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The sad fact, is that there really are no better options available via free agency this summer. I think we almost have to re-sign Whitney. I think he can still fill his role here, the lack of training camp really hurt his start I think. He's been much better recently. I'd much rather move on from Potter than Whitney right now, and Fistric/Peckham don't fill the same role that Whitney does. I'd be cautious about what to offer him, but I wouldn't walk away without offering him nothing.
Thats the key to the equation. What is he worth, I hope that they don't give him a raise.

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04-07-2013, 03:33 PM
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Thats the key to the equation. What is he worth, I hope that they don't give him a raise.
You do know that this is the sarcasm emoticon?

Whitney is making $4M this year. While I think $1M is a reasonable offer, I guess I wouldn't be really upset if they went up to $1.5M for Whitney.

A raise? Any GM that offers him anything more (less?) than a $2M dollar pay cut should lose his job instantly.

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You do know that this is the sarcasm emoticon?

Whitney is making $4M this year. While I think $1M is a reasonable offer, I guess I wouldn't be really upset if they went up to $1.5M for Whitney.

A raise? Any GM that offers him anything more (less?) than a $2M dollar pay cut should lose his job instantly.
This. I see Whitney leaving because I see the Oil offering him 1.5-2.0 million, and some other dumb team offering 3. If we give this guy 3 million (unless its a one year deal maybe) then I'll be pissed.

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You do know that this is the sarcasm emoticon?

Whitney is making $4M this year. While I think $1M is a reasonable offer, I guess I wouldn't be really upset if they went up to $1.5M for Whitney.

A raise? Any GM that offers him anything more (less?) than a $2M dollar pay cut should lose his job instantly.
Thanks for the tip

$4M is his cap hit, he is actually making $5.5M this year. For the Oilers to retain his rights they have to give him a 10% raise minimum, I think. He should be a free agent imo.

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This. I see Whitney leaving because I see the Oil offering him 1.5-2.0 million, and some other dumb team offering 3. If we give this guy 3 million (unless its a one year deal maybe) then I'll be pissed.
You'd be ok with giving him $3M for a year? Not even a maybe for me.

The Oilers cap situation next summer is going to be an issue. $3M for Whitney would be an atrocious signing and prevent the team from actually using its money wisely in other areas.

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$4M is his cap hit, he is actually making $5.5M this year. For the Oilers to retain his rights they have to give him a 10% raise minimum, I think. He should be a free agent imo.
My bad on the actual salary. Still wouldn't give him $3M no matter what his actual salary is.

He's a UFA next season. The rule you are referring to is for RFAs.

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04-07-2013, 09:19 PM
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There are barely any ufa d-men this year. Is it better to keep the suck you know, or find some new suck. Whitney is an easy study, he is good when he has the puck, crap when he's trying to get the puck. One thing I do know is that I sure as hell don't Trust Tamblows opinion on replacement players. He's the human vacuum. HE SUCKS.

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04-07-2013, 09:31 PM
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Whitney at 2mil AAV is fine for 3rd pairing and PP specialist but he'll probably get 3-4mil from some other team.

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Matheson's column tonight suggests three years at 3.25. Pass.

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04-08-2013, 01:22 AM
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You'd be ok with giving him $3M for a year? Not even a maybe for me.

The Oilers cap situation next summer is going to be an issue. $3M for Whitney would be an atrocious signing and prevent the team from actually using its money wisely in other areas.
You need to read closer. The 3 million I suggested was for 1 year, it won't mean anything next year. And the only reason, is because if we lose Whitney, we are relying on Teubert or one of the rookies who aren't ready. There are no good UFA d-men this summer.

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04-08-2013, 01:47 AM
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Matheson's column tonight suggests three years at 3.25. Pass.
I remember he suggested Hemsky was a 7 million dollar player.

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04-08-2013, 01:57 AM
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There are barely any ufa d-men this year. Is it better to keep the suck you know, or find some new suck. Whitney is an easy study, he is good when he has the puck, crap when he's trying to get the puck. One thing I do know is that I sure as hell don't Trust Tamblows opinion on replacement players. He's the human vacuum. HE SUCKS.
The UFA ranks are not filled with good options. Voting to get rid of Whitney appears to mean voting for a trade. I say keep him for reasonable money if we can and trade him next year if he does not perform.

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Matheson's column tonight suggests three years at 3.25. Pass.

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You'd be ok with giving him $3M for a year? Not even a maybe for me.

The Oilers cap situation next summer is going to be an issue. $3M for Whitney would be an atrocious signing and prevent the team from actually using its money wisely in other areas.



My bad on the actual salary. Still wouldn't give him $3M no matter what his actual salary is.

He's a UFA next season. The rule you are referring to is for RFAs.
you're right, don't know what the heck I was typing there. Can't see him taking a reduction in salary but can see Tambo over paying for him.

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Nope, get rid of him. Nothing but a liability.

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you're right, don't know what the heck I was typing there. Can't see him taking a reduction in salary but can see Tambo over paying for him.
Even if you take the lower $4M salary cap number that is an incredible amount of money for how he has played.

With a $64M cap, you can't pay a bottom pairing D that money. He isn't good enough to be a top 4 D right now.

I don't see anyone signing him for the money he is making.

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Matheson's column tonight suggests three years at 3.25. Pass.
Not sure what Matheson was thinking with that one. Of course Whitney would take that money. Meh, maybe somebody signs him for that. Hopefully not the Oilers. Term too long and $$$ are too high. One year at $2- 2.5M? Maybe the off-season helps him round into form.


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