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03-30-2013, 11:35 AM
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Zidlicky is paired with Salvador, who's corsi stats aren't any better than Kronwall. But it doesn't have to be that pairing anyways.
Salvador is at least defense first D. And he hasn't been great this season, that's true.

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Speaking of Salvador, it's so weird to see him wearing the 'C' for New Jersey.

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Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Nathan Horton ($5.000m)
Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Calle Jarnkrok ($0.900m) / Jaromir Jagr ($4.000m)
Tomas Tatar ($0.840m) / Joakim Andersson ($1.000m) / Patrick Eaves ($1.200m)
Gustav Nyquist ($1.000m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Jordin Tootoo ($1.900m)
Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) /
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Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) / Brian Campbell ($7.143m)
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What we give up for Campbell?

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What we give up for Campbell?
Looks like Kindl and Brunner.

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04-02-2013, 01:49 PM
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Rather keep Brunner and Kindl to be honest. And we don't need Campbell and his monster of a contract. I didn't want Bouwmeester and I don't want Campbell.

As for Jagr, he'll probably want to go back to Russia or the Czech Republic to prepare for the Olympics. He said it in an interview already. For a fan base who hate players above 30 (don't even get started on freaking 41), you wouldn't mind adding Jagr, Campbell and Lydman?

Ideal lineup for next year:

Nyquist - Datsyuk - Brunner
Filppula - Zetterberg - Franzen
Tatar - Helm - Andersson
Abdelkader - Sheahan - Tootoo
Emmerton, Jarnkrok/Ferraro (call-up)

Kronwall - Ericsson
Quincey - Kindl
DeKeyser - Smith
Lashoff, Ouellet/Sproul (call-up)

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I don't care how you get rid of Sammy, Bert or CC. You just do. If you can find upgrades for Filppula and Franzen (ex: Vanek or Gaborik) you make it happen. I'm not going to wait for the two times we play Colorado for Franzen to show up in the regular season and Filppula needs to show that last year wasn't a fluke.

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Valterri Filppula ($4.500m) / Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Damien Brunner ($2.500m)
Justin Abdelkader (1.800m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Tomas Tatar (0.840m)
Drew Miller (1.750m) / Riley Sheahan ($0.900m) / Jordin Tootoo (1.900m)
Joakim Andersson ($0.605m)
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Brendan Smith ($0.827m) / Ryan Whitney (4.000m)
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Henrik Zetterberg ($6.083m) / Pavel Datsyuk ($6.700m) / Damien Brunner ($2.500m)
Gustav Nyquist ($1.200m) / Johan Franzen ($3.955m) / Viktor Stalberg ($2.250m)
Calle Jarnkrok ($0.900m) / Valtteri Filppula ($4.500m) / Tomas Tatar ($0.840m)
Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m) / Darren Helm ($2.125m) / Jordin Tootoo ($1.900m)
Joakim Andersson ($1.000m) / Cory Emmerton ($0.533m) /
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Niklas Kronwall ($4.750m) / Rob Scuderi ($3.400m)
Jonathan Ericsson ($3.250m) / Jakub Kindl ($2.250m)
Danny DeKeyser ($1.350m) / Brendan Smith ($2.000m)
Kyle Quincey ($3.775m) / Brian Lashoff ($0.725m)
GOALTENDERS
Jimmy Howard ($4.750m)
Jonas Gustavsson ($1.500m)
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04-16-2013, 02:52 AM
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So with the season getting towards its end, my opinion still stands. Fil is a solid player but he needs to come at the right price. With Howard re-signed the Wings need to cut salary somewhere if they want to improve where they truly need to improve. It's pathetic how the Wings best goalscorer is on pace for 26 goals, and only two others are on pace for 20 had the season been 82 games. Go. After. A. Goalscorer.

Kindl will want, and will deserve a decent pay. I'd say in the $1.8M to $2.2M range. Smith/Nyquist/Andersson will probably get some type of bridge deals for a combined $4M. So say a $6M combined for those four. That leaves $6.5M to sign Filppula and Brunner. Pretty clear outlook, if the Wings want any sort of flexibility in the summer, looking at the market and whatnot the buyouts have to be exercised -- or they will go into next season with the exact same roster.

At defense I think they should be pretty confident in what they have in Kronwall, Ericsson and Kindl going into next season. So they need to figure out where to fit in the rest. I can see so many different scenarios, but I hope Kenny has the balls to get rid of Quincey and start Lashoff in the minors. Let DeKeyser, Cola and Smith battle for two spots and find Kronwall a partner on the top pair and I'm good.

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Kindl is a RFA, don't you just have to raise it by a certain % and player is "forced" to accept it.. more or less?

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04-16-2013, 08:26 AM
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Justin Abdelkader ($1.800m) / Joakim Andersson ($0.900m) / Jordin Tootoo ($1.900m)
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04-16-2013, 09:40 AM
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I'm not understanding the love for Clarkson. alright player, but he's broken 20 goals once in his career, and he's never really produced in the playoffs. Also, he's not that big, despite playing a physical game. He's probably going to look for a multi-year deal, for a decent amount of cash. I'd just be leery of the guy becoming another Dan Cleary, who was really good when he started here, but has just worn down to a shell of his former self.

the guy I'd probably target is Michael Ryder. Better track record as a goal scorer, right handed, a history of staying healthy. He's not ideal, but we need some secondary scoring.

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I'm not understanding the love for Clarkson. alright player, but he's broken 20 goals once in his career, and he's never really produced in the playoffs. Also, he's not that big, despite playing a physical game. He's probably going to look for a multi-year deal, for a decent amount of cash. I'd just be leery of the guy becoming another Dan Cleary, who was really good when he started here, but has just worn down to a shell of his former self.

the guy I'd probably target is Michael Ryder. Better track record as a goal scorer, right handed, a history of staying healthy. He's not ideal, but we need some secondary scoring.
i dont think he is an all out offensive dynamo, 20 goals a season sounds about right, but on top of those 20 goals its the physical edge he brings as well that makes him enticing.

i would like to avoid all soft skill only type players if at all possible as we have boat loads of those guys both on the team and in the system, we need som grit, specifically some top 6 forward grit

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I'm not understanding the love for Clarkson. alright player, but he's broken 20 goals once in his career, and he's never really produced in the playoffs. Also, he's not that big, despite playing a physical game. He's probably going to look for a multi-year deal, for a decent amount of cash. I'd just be leery of the guy becoming another Dan Cleary, who was really good when he started here, but has just worn down to a shell of his former self.

the guy I'd probably target is Michael Ryder. Better track record as a goal scorer, right handed, a history of staying healthy. He's not ideal, but we need some secondary scoring.

Agreed on Clarkson. I think he's got potential to be a very regrettable signing.
I'd go for Horton and Torres up front and Scuderi or Regerh on the back end
I'd also have D/Z/Franzen cetering their own lines

Torres/Datsyuk/Brunner
Nyquist/Zetterberg/Horton
Tatar/Franzen/Andersson
Abdelkader/Helm/Tootoo/
Eaves/Emmerton

This gives each of the three lines elementrs of Size, Skill, and scoring.
People will ***** and say Abs or Helm deserve more, but the idea is to win, not give their pet players icetime.

Nice thing about these lines is that if Datsyuk leaves- you replace him with Jarnkrok.
So maybe the next year you go
Nyquist/Zetterberg/Horton
Tatar/Franzen/Andersson
Torres/Jarnkrok/Brunner
And you've still got three pretty good good lines

I like Franzen at center. He's a more engage player who seems to know he has to take control of the play.

Defensively, you can't sign Scuderi or Regehr unless you cut a Quincey or CC.
My guess is Scuderi is going to be vastly overpaid while you might get Regehr for a bargain. It could be $4.5M vs $2M.

Kronwall Dekeyser
Kindl Ericsson
Smith Regehr
CC

The D is going to get interesting very soon with Nick Jensen, Backman, Marchenko, Sproul and Ouellet 1-3 years from pushing for a spot.

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Agreed on Clarkson. I think he's got potential to be a very regrettable signing.
I'd go for Horton and Torres up front and Scuderi or Regerh on the back end
I'd also have D/Z/Franzen cetering their own lines

Torres/Datsyuk/Brunner
Nyquist/Zetterberg/Horton
Tatar/Franzen/Andersson
Abdelkader/Helm/Tootoo/
Eaves/Emmerton

This gives each of the three lines elementrs of Size, Skill, and scoring.
People will ***** and say Abs or Helm deserve more, but the idea is to win, not give their pet players icetime.

Nice thing about these lines is that if Datsyuk leaves- you replace him with Jarnkrok.
So maybe the next year you go
Nyquist/Zetterberg/Horton
Tatar/Franzen/Andersson
Torres/Jarnkrok/Brunner
And you've still got three pretty good good lines

I like Franzen at center. He's a more engage player who seems to know he has to take control of the play.

Defensively, you can't sign Scuderi or Regehr unless you cut a Quincey or CC.
My guess is Scuderi is going to be vastly overpaid while you might get Regehr for a bargain. It could be $4.5M vs $2M.

Kronwall Dekeyser
Kindl Ericsson
Smith Regehr
CC

The D is going to get interesting very soon with Nick Jensen, Backman, Marchenko, Sproul and Ouellet 1-3 years from pushing for a spot.
i think Nate Horton is the very definition of regretable signing

he is a shell of whatever former self people have invisioned

he wont hit, he wont skate and seemingly he cant score anymore but given his past will likely command 5 million if not more on the open market,

maybe we should target a top 6 centre like derek roy which would allow for zetts and dats to play on the same line while also preparing for the eventual loss of datsyuk(perhaps as soon as next year) while hoping and praying one day Jarnkrok can take up that top 6 centre role(probably not for another 2-4 years)

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Looks like Kindl and Brunner.
How would giving up both Kindl and Brunner help get us Campbell. Kindl is a RFA after this season and Brunner is a UFA we have to shed salary to be able to fit Campbell in he still has 3 years left at $7.147 million we would almost have to have traded Franzen at least to be able to fit Campbells salary under the cap that is coming down to $64 million, Kindl and Brunner could have been part of the package but i dont see how that would have benefited either team.


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Kindl is a RFA, don't you just have to raise it by a certain % and player is "forced" to accept it.. more or less?
Yeah i think they said up to 40% of there current salary. For RFA.

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The more I am reading about guys like Clarkson, Horton, Stafford the more Id prefer to just bring Jarnkrok right to Detroit and put him on Datsyuks wing to learn the NHL center position from him. Plus it gives us a RH player. If he is real bad you move him down to 3rd line.

If he puts on 15 pounds of muscle over the offseason which he could do he would be 5'11"/6', 190-195 which is about the size of Datsyuk.

Bring in a Stalberg or something as well.

Franzen, Datsyuk, Jarnkrok
Nyquist, Z, Brunner (This line is a bit small but Gus and Nose bring speed for Z)
Tatar, Helm, Stalberg
Abs, Anderson, Tootoo

Nyquist, Tatar, Helm, Brunner all kind of handicap us if we are looking for size on our top 3 lines. This does give us skill on our top 3 lines and Anderson can move up if Helm continues to have health issues and then Emmerton or Sheahan can play the 4th line center role.

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i dont think he is an all out offensive dynamo, 20 goals a season sounds about right, but on top of those 20 goals its the physical edge he brings as well that makes him enticing.

i would like to avoid all soft skill only type players if at all possible as we have boat loads of those guys both on the team and in the system, we need som grit, specifically some top 6 forward grit
But Clarkson isn't really a top6 guy. I can see someone like Horton, the upside is there, and he could give you that offense/grit combo -though at a risk. Clarkson is less of a risk injury/grit wise, but I think we're more likely looking at around 15 goals instead of twenty. I'd like his grit, but I don't think he helps us much beyond that.

I don't know. I'm a skill guy, and I think we're lacking there - more so when/if we let Flip walk. And the kids that could fill that void are going to be too inexperienced to do it next season. edit: so, if we are going to sign someone, I'd rather focus on skill.

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Agreed on Clarkson. I think he's got potential to be a very regrettable signing.
I'd go for Horton and Torres up front and Scuderi or Regerh on the back end
I'd also have D/Z/Franzen cetering their own lines

Torres/Datsyuk/Brunner
Nyquist/Zetterberg/Horton
Tatar/Franzen/Andersson
Abdelkader/Helm/Tootoo/
Eaves/Emmerton

This gives each of the three lines elementrs of Size, Skill, and scoring.
People will ***** and say Abs or Helm deserve more, but the idea is to win, not give their pet players icetime.

Nice thing about these lines is that if Datsyuk leaves- you replace him with Jarnkrok.
So maybe the next year you go
Nyquist/Zetterberg/Horton
Tatar/Franzen/Andersson
Torres/Jarnkrok/Brunner
And you've still got three pretty good good lines

I like Franzen at center. He's a more engage player who seems to know he has to take control of the play.

Defensively, you can't sign Scuderi or Regehr unless you cut a Quincey or CC.
My guess is Scuderi is going to be vastly overpaid while you might get Regehr for a bargain. It could be $4.5M vs $2M.

Kronwall Dekeyser
Kindl Ericsson
Smith Regehr
CC

The D is going to get interesting very soon with Nick Jensen, Backman, Marchenko, Sproul and Ouellet 1-3 years from pushing for a spot.
You're never going to sell me on Torres, and seeing Babcock bench Tootoo, I have no idea if Torres would even play. I like Horton, but the concussions worry me. If we can grab him affordably, I'd like it, but I can see someone more desperate than us overpaying for him. The free agent class as a whole is so mediocre. I'd like to see us add some help up front, especially to take some weight off the shoulders of the prospects we should be moving onto the lineup. At the same time, there's no one out there I'd be thrilled overpaying any for. Ryder is someone that I think might slip through the cracks, and I think his goal scoring/skill would fit in well with what the Wings typically try to do (until this season anyway).

Whatever we do, I'm hoping to see some youth playing in our top9 next year. Right now, I'm looking at something like:

Nyquist-Z-Brunner
Franzen-D-Jarnkrok
Tatar-Helm-Samuelsson
Eaves-Abdelkader-Tootoo
Emmerton

I don't know what to expect of Bertuzzi, because of his back. If he's healthy, he's probably next to Datsyuk and Jarnkrok would have to be moved. I'd like a better third line center, and I have no problem with Helm centering the fourth line - if our fourth line is decent, he'll still get ~13 minutes a game - but I doubt we sign anyone. Or maybe I hope we don't, if it means we see Tatar/Nyquist/Jarnkrok demoted.

On the blueline, I figure Kronwall, Ericsson, Smith, Kindl, and Dekeyser are penciled in. After that...I think it's a tossup. I can see the appeal of a guy like Regehr, but I also like adding a guy who can excel at moving the puck, and get Brunner off the powerplay point. There's just a whole bunch of meh due for free agency, and I'm not overly thrilled with any of it. I'm not sure I'd mind if we just plugged Jensen into that #6 spot and use CC as our #7 safety valve.

I'm hoping we see the younger guys continue to get ice time, and I'll consider the offseason a success if either go that path, or if we move some of the prospects for some top level talent. At some point, you have to do one or the other, or the whole system stagnates. One thing I am sure of is that I'd rather see us go with a skilled lineup than a grit one. "Babcock Hockey" just isn't very enjoyable to me, regardless of how successful it may or may not be.

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"But Clarkson isn't really a top6 guy. I can see someone like Horton, the upside is there, and he could give you that offense/grit combo -though at a risk. Clarkson is less of a risk injury/grit wise, but I think we're more likely looking at around 15 goals instead of twenty. I'd like his grit, but I don't think he helps us much beyond that.

I don't know. I'm a skill guy, and I think we're lacking there - more so when/if we let Flip walk. And the kids that could fill that void are going to be too inexperienced to do it next season. edit: so, if we are going to sign someone, I'd rather focus on skill. "

believe me when I say this, I love the skill guys too, its just I think you need a proper balance between skill, toughness and skilled toughness and its finding that right mix that wins championships.

the glory days of pre salary cap where we could outspend everyone and ice an all-star team(though we still had toughness) are gone and never to be seen from again. pretty much all of our prospects, at least the NHL calibre guys, are of the same mold, small, skilled, solid hockey IQ guys which is great and all but we need the other elements as well in right ratio.

we need an edge, to play with some swagger, to not be pushed around and to me a guys like clarkson can bring that(as well as chip in 20ish goals)

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believe me when I say this, I love the skill guys too, its just I think you need a proper balance between skill, toughness and skilled toughness and its finding that right mix that wins championships.

the glory days of pre salary cap where we could outspend everyone and ice an all-star team(though we still had toughness) are gone and never to be seen from again. pretty much all of our prospects, at least the NHL calibre guys, are of the same mold, small, skilled, solid hockey IQ guys which is great and all but we need the other elements as well in right ratio.

we need an edge, to play with some swagger, to not be pushed around and to me a guys like clarkson can bring that(as well as chip in 20ish goals)
I just don't see Clarkson as a top6 quality guy, though. If we clear out some serious roster space by moving Sammy and Eaves, letting Cleary and Miller walk, maybe finding out Bert isn't coming back...I'd be fine adding Clarkson and penciling him into the third line - provided he is paid appropriately.

If we're looking at middle6/third line guys to provide some grit and 15 goals, I think we have to add Clowe to that discussion. maybe Torres. Maybe Cooke. I'm not really thrilled with any of these guys, though.

If we sign a UFA, none of them are great players, and would be complimentary players. In the end, I'm just hoping we don't do something that forces the kids out of the lineup. Unless we deal for a legit top6 forward or top pair D, I think our best bet is making sure Nyquist, Tatar and Jarnkrok have their opportunities next year.

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You're never going to sell me on Torres, and seeing Babcock bench Tootoo, I have no idea if Torres would even play.
If Tootoo was Torres size, he'd be skating in the top 6.

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I like Horton, but the concussions worry me. If we can grab him affordably, I'd like it, but I can see someone more desperate than us overpaying for him. The free agent class as a whole is so mediocre. I'd like to see us add some help up front, especially to take some weight off the shoulders of the prospects we should be moving onto the lineup. At the same time, there's no one out there I'd be thrilled overpaying any for. Ryder is someone that I think might slip through the cracks, and I think his goal scoring/skill would fit in well with what the Wings typically try to do (until this season anyway).
Ryder doesn't give us anything we can't develop ourselves in the next year or two.



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I don't know what to expect of Bertuzzi, because of his back. If he's healthy, he's probably next to Datsyuk and Jarnkrok would have to be moved. I'd like a better third line center, and I have no problem with Helm centering the fourth line - if our fourth line is decent, he'll still get ~13 minutes a game - but I doubt we sign anyone. Or maybe I hope we don't, if it means we see Tatar/Nyquist/Jarnkrok demoted.
I want to see Franzen as our 3rd line.
He'd still get PP time and we could crunch into two lines late in the third when we need a goal.

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On the blueline, I figure Kronwall, Ericsson, Smith, Kindl, and Dekeyser are penciled in. After that...I think it's a tossup. I can see the appeal of a guy like Regehr, but I also like adding a guy who can excel at moving the puck, and get Brunner off the powerplay point. There's just a whole bunch of meh due for free agency, and I'm not overly thrilled with any of it. I'm not sure I'd mind if we just plugged Jensen into that #6 spot and use CC as our #7 safety valve.
We can go with Kronwall, Smith Kindl and either Ericsson or Dekeyser (right hand shot) on the PP.

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I'm hoping we see the younger guys continue to get ice time, and I'll consider the offseason a success if either go that path, or if we move some of the prospects for some top level talent. At some point, you have to do one or the other, or the whole system stagnates. One thing I am sure of is that I'd rather see us go with a skilled lineup than a grit one. "Babcock Hockey" just isn't very enjoyable to me, regardless of how successful it may or may not be.
I agree about "Babcock Hockey" being boring.

But I do think he need to get bigger. We just have to avoid losing skill to do so

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If Tootoo was Torres size, he'd be skating in the top 6.

Ryder doesn't give us anything we can't develop ourselves in the next year or two.

That third line is weak. Our first line has no size.

I want to see Franzen as our 3rd line.
He'd still get PP time and we could crunch into two lines late in the third when we need a goal.

We can go with Kronwall, Smith Kindl and either Ericsson or Dekeyser (right hand shot) on the PP.

I agree about "Babcock Hockey" being boring.

But I do think he need to get bigger. We just have to avoid losing skill to do so
Size concerns me less than skill, and Torres isn't exactly a big guy (listed at 6', 200#). If we're really looking at adding size for the top6, I think it's either through trade or rolling the dice on someone (Horton, Clowe, Pancake Penner). If we look to add someone like Torres, I would have the same condition I would have for Clarkson: that we have cleared out more of the roster and that he'd be primarily a third line guy. Likely having a price tag under $2m gives Torres some added appeal, though.

The more I look at the free agent list, the more I'd be interested in either not signing anyone, or only one year deals, and keep salary space available in hopes of going after a bigger name the following summer. Play the kids, and prepare to bid big on someone like Malkin, the Sedins, Letang, etc.

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There's a difference between adding size and getting bigger. Franzen is the biggest guy in our top 6 and he's basically a teddy bear. Horton is the same way.

I'm confused which route you guys are talking about when you want size. There's a massive difference between a Horton (tall/skill), a Clarkson (plays bigger than his size), and a Torres (speed / strength).

I suppose we would be happy with any of those. Clarkson will make undeserved bank in free agency though.

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The more I look at the free agent list, the more I'd be interested in either not signing anyone, or only one year deals, and keep salary space available in hopes of going after a bigger name the following summer. Play the kids, and prepare to bid big on someone like Malkin, the Sedins, Letang, etc.
That's probably the smarter route. I don't think any of the UFA's right now are going to solve any of our long-term problems, just band-aids. It's a big risk if we strike out the following year though.

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The more I look at the free agent list, the more I'd be interested in either not signing anyone, or only one year deals, and keep salary space available in hopes of going after a bigger name the following summer. Play the kids, and prepare to bid big on someone like Malkin, the Sedins, Letang, etc.
Have we not learned this lesson yet? Never rely on FA ever.

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