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04-06-2013, 09:25 AM
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We have 2 totally different opinions on how hockey should be played. If I were a coach, I would not want anyone on my team not willing to go to battle for a team mate. Peacemakers can go F themselves. If they do not have the meddle I dont want them on my team. If one of my guys gets slashed I want them all on the imposer like a piranah. F all this keeping the peace crap. I'm talking good team chemistry.
Exactly.. This franchise for far too long has had too many guys like Suter that don't watch each other's back. It's not about gooning it up, but if you can't stick up for teamates and you aren't willing to get your nose dirty once in awhile, go sit up in the press box. And no maybe Stoner doesn't have the talent Suter has, but i personally would rather be on the ice with someone like Stoner knowing he's got my back in a tough Playoff game than Suter.. He always looks the other way or does the Rodney King thing "Can't we all just get along". No room for that.. IMO If this team is going anywhere Suter needs to start playing with a little heart and guts..

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04-06-2013, 10:09 AM
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You have got to be kidding me.

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If you're scared of the other team and need a bodyguard, you don't belong in the NHL. I'll take being a positive +/- player and get some points from Suter than pull the puck out of the goal with Stoner and watch my earnings drop.

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04-06-2013, 10:16 AM
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Why are we singling out Suter, of all our players...

FYI, this is how Suter has always played, and he's always played a lot in part.

For you people that expect him to play like Pronger, get real. Also, exactly how many times, and how much of Pronger's career has been damaged by injury?

Burns used to play more edgy, then he got concussed; that took the wind out of that sail to some degree.

Do you think Suter would be able to play 28 minutes a night for us if he played the way you want? Hell no. He'ld also take himself out of position a lot more, and that is one of his strong points.

Basically, why the hell are some people going after Suter?! He got burned once, oh no, why did we ever sign such a scrub. Sersiously?!?!

Do you know how many times I've seen Stamkos, Crosby, Lidstrom, even Chara get burned? Saw it happen to Chara just a few games ago.

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Crucify me fella's if you must but I have to be real honest.. Ryan Suter IMO may be one the most overated players in the game.. I realize he does some good things and he has had some points as of late but that effort again the other night in SJ against Boyle was as sad and pathetic an effort as I've seen in a long time..If you are a young player looking to pattern your game after someone this is Not the guy..Defensively he's been a real big disappointment IMO..Misses his checks on a regular basis.. Doesn't play the body whatsoever... if he was 1/2 as good as advertised this team wouldn't be fighting for their playoff lives.. This team is Aweful on the back end.. Why Fletcher didn't bolster the back end at the Deadline is beyond me..
After Jay Bouwmeester, the best names moved at the deadline were Regehr, Murray, and Leopold. Look at what they've done this year and what they fetched in return and tell me we should've topped those offers. Murray and Regehr were playing #5 minutes, Regehr on one of the worst defensive teams in the league.

As for how Suter plays, don't have a problem with how soft he plays if the coaching staff wants him to play nearly 50% of the game. Too much toll on his body to last a full season if he played physical at that many minutes. Look at Clutterbuck, already appearing to wear down in his career because of how he plays for 12-15 minutes a night.

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I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that someone actually called Suter "overrated".

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04-06-2013, 11:25 AM
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Did you guys see Suter when Coyle got Kronwalled? Suter was all up in Kronwalls face getting him a piece of his mind. That was quite surprising to me be because I thought Suter would respect Kronwall seeing they are veterans. Anyways, this team is super weak when to comes to backing up their teammates.

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04-06-2013, 11:28 AM
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If we manage to miss the playoffs Yeo should be fired right as our season ends.
I agree and that's precisely what I was coming on here to say. I haven't read the entire thread and will do so in a second... but I wanted to echo this sentiment. I look at the standings right now and am getting a bit nervous. We absolutely have to start winning again. We are not in the pathetically weak, southeastern conference (I cannot believe Washington is the division leader at the moment) where we can afford to lose a lot of games during this home stretch. I am not even remotely caring about the division title at this point. We have to focus on getting into the playoffs first. The standings are tight as a drum and we have some tough games in the near future. We have to put some distance between us and those teams chasing for a playoff spot.

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04-06-2013, 12:13 PM
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Do you know what happens to players who aren't fighters when they play tough guy? They end up like Heatley.

No thanks to losing Suter as well.
If you hit the guy hard enough with your first punch then there is no need to worry.

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If you hit the guy hard enough with your first punch then there is no need to worry.
Unless you break your hand when punching.

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Guys, we need to get rid of Brodin because hes not a goon.

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04-06-2013, 12:19 PM
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I think some people have watched "Slap Shot" one too many times....

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Unless you break your hand when punching.
That's what the foil is for.

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Lets start with a new coach and two top four defensemen.
I would also think some pressure would be on GMCF as well. Good drafting, terrible management

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I would also think some pressure would be on GMCF as well. Good drafting, terrible management
Obviously a minority opinion. I think Fletcher has done a pretty good job managing this team, as evidenced by the Burns trade, convincing Parise and Suter, drafting, and the Pominville trade.

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Obviously a minority opinion. I think Fletcher has done a pretty good job managing this team, as evidenced by the Burns trade, convincing Parise and Suter, drafting, and the Pominville trade.
The Pom trade could be another trade where he jumped the gun a bit. It's too hard to tell. But if they don't make the playoffs, you can believe that there will be a lot of pressure on GMCF. The trade for Pom signaled that this team wasn't only going to the playoffs, but they were challenging for the SCF.

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I don't expect every player on our team to drop the gloves and start throwing punches everytime there's a scuffle on the ice. They can just get in there and wrap someone up. At the end of the San Jose game, Suter was just standing there while Vlasic was all over Heatley. Get in there and pull him off. Clutterbuck doesn't have many fights, but he's always quick to get involved when there's trouble on the ice.

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Exactly.. This franchise for far too long has had too many guys like Suter that don't watch each other's back. It's not about gooning it up, but if you can't stick up for teamates and you aren't willing to get your nose dirty once in awhile, go sit up in the press box. And no maybe Stoner doesn't have the talent Suter has, but i personally would rather be on the ice with someone like Stoner knowing he's got my back in a tough Playoff game than Suter.. He always looks the other way or does the Rodney King thing "Can't we all just get along". No room for that.. IMO If this team is going anywhere Suter needs to start playing with a little heart and guts..
I'd rather play with Suter because he could make a pass to my tape and we could break the puck out of the zone and have possssion instead of flinging it off the glass and playing defense as the other team breaks back into the zone.

Or I'd rather play with Suter so I can watch Suter make smart decisions with the puck instead of watching the back of the other teams jersey as they skate on a breakaway after Stoner has made yet another boneheaded play.


Just me though.

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Isn't it against some sort of hockey superstition to post this kind of threads during the play-off hunt? Please lock it and re-open it after the season is over.

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I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that someone actually called Suter "overrated".
I caught up reading the posts and this is precisely what I am wondering too.

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Exactly.. This franchise for far too long has had too many guys like Suter that don't watch each other's back. It's not about gooning it up, but if you can't stick up for teamates and you aren't willing to get your nose dirty once in awhile, go sit up in the press box. And no maybe Stoner doesn't have the talent Suter has, but i personally would rather be on the ice with someone like Stoner knowing he's got my back in a tough Playoff game than Suter.. He always looks the other way or does the Rodney King thing "Can't we all just get along". No room for that.. IMO If this team is going anywhere Suter needs to start playing with a little heart and guts..

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I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that someone actually called Suter "overrated".
You forgot Soft and overpaid as well..Also to reiterate Again...IMO( no one says you have to like it Gumper cause it's a forum, we don't have to agree)For the money he's being paid and he's being paid a lot of money he should be All World.. That should include Knocking someone on their cheeks once in a while- That should include moving guys out in front once in awhile. That should include playing with a little passion and Grit and standing up for your teammates when there being taken advantage of. Last time I checked he did carry "The A"... We don't need any more defenseman in this State that look like they just came from the Don Lucia school of how to play D. That's the biggest knock on most of The American player's.. Their soft..don't play with enough jam.. Get pushed around..I guess if you think that's ok and you like that kinda hockey well that's your poragative.. I'd suggest following The boys over at Maroosh. The Don has that built right into his game plan..

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Isn't it against some sort of hockey superstition to post this kind of threads during the play-off hunt? Please lock it and re-open it after the season is over.
Not really. It's bad to post a play off thread though.

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You forgot Soft and overpaid as well..Also to reiterate Again...IMO( no one says you have to like it Gumper cause it's a forum, we don't have to agree)For the money he's being paid and he's being paid a lot of money he should be All World.. That should include Knocking someone on their cheeks once in a while- That should include moving guys out in front once in awhile. That should include playing with a little passion and Grit and standing up for your teammates when there being taken advantage of. Last time I checked he did carry "The A"... We don't need any more defenseman in this State that look like they just came from the Don Lucia school of how to play D. That's the biggest knock on most of The American player's.. Their soft..don't play with enough jam.. Get pushed around..I guess if you think that's ok and you like that kinda hockey well that's your poragative.. I'd suggest following The boys over at Maroosh. The Don has that built right into his game plan..
So, you must've thought Scott Niedermayer and Nik Lidstrom were overrated and soft as well? Because they weren't knocking anyone on their cheeks.

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In the current NHL, you can't stick up for someone because the game has changed from 40 years ago! Players are more skilled, and the team has to minimize being in the penalty box. Clutterbuck getting involved after a scrum? Personally, I think if he is going to play the way he does, he should be fighting more. But like others of his ilk around the league, he leaves the fighting to others. Seems like a nice guy personally, but I hope he's a goner.

Suter as a defender of honor? At his price tag? Whoever thinks that should be questioning whether they actually know anything about the game. Take arguably the Wild's best player off the ice? What would you be left with? Weakened defensive pairings. A point man on the power play. All of this does is disturb the other lines.

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