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[NAS/WAS] Martin Erat and Michael Latta for Filip Forsberg

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04-06-2013, 12:15 PM
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My only agrument has been against those saying Nashville's system has hampered Erat or that it will hamper FF.

If he was a center, I'd be inclined to agree more, Nashville's system does impact centers the most, however it does not hamper wingers and I've posted proof.

Erat's stats are what they are, he was not slowed down by Trotz. FF won't be either. If he has the talent to play and produce he will.

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I think this should put the final nail in the coffin of McPhee. I would fire his ass now, what a terrible trade.

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Again, I just posted examples of how you're wrong.

Good offensive players are good offensive players in Nashville's system.

I don't even think Dumont is a great offensive player yet he put up really good numbers.

An older Kariya put up 85 points.

You can believe what you want, but doesn't look like you've actually seen Nashville play.
Would be interesting to see how many players in Nashville put up, say, 65-70+ pts in a season compared to the other clubs.

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I think this should put the final nail in the coffin of McPhee. I would fire his ass now, what a terrible trade.
Erat is a career easy50pt player.
He's smart and has a good stick.
Plus, HE CAN HELP YOU NOW.

Not every trade can be about the future. Maybe Forsberg does in fact go on to be a 70pt player a few seasons from now, but reality is right now he's unproven and can't help the team. Erat can come in NOW and give mentorship, wisdom and hopefully some goals along the way.

Its a decent trade by GMGM.

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Sounds like Erat left tonight's game with an injury? Tough break.

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Sounds like Erat left tonight's game with an injury? Tough break.
Yeah. Gudbrandson blasted him into the boards from behind.

How incredible would that be? Make a moronic trade like this, then lose the guy for the season in one of the first games the guy plays for you.

I have watched hockey for a very long time...and this qualifies as one of the most idiotic trades I've ever seen. If I were a Caps fan I'd be beside myself...and so irate that everything I looked at would spontaneously combust.

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I have watched hockey for a very long time...and this qualifies as one of the most idiotic trades I've ever seen. If I were a Caps fan I'd be beside myself...and so irate that everything I looked at would spontaneously combust.
lets see you again in two or three years and see if it looks all that stupid.

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lets see you again in two or three years and see if it looks all that stupid.
It'll look even worse in two or three years...

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lets see you again in two or three years and see if it looks all that stupid.
You need to have young talent in your system to come up through the ranks with the salary cap these days. And if you're going to toss it by the wayside like tomorrow's trash, you need to get more than Martin Erat out of it.

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Erat is a career easy50pt player.
He's smart and has a good stick.
Plus, HE CAN HELP YOU NOW.
That's what trading 2nds for players like Clowe is for.

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From the Washington Post beat writer:

Katie Carrera ‏| @kcarrera 27s | Oates on if Erat will miss significant time: “Really hard to tell right now, Smitty didn’t think it was that bad. We’ll see in the morning”

(Smitty being the team's head trainer, Greg Smith)

EDIT: The team is saying day-to-day, lower body injury. (Mike Vogel, PR)


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You need to have young talent in your system to come up through the ranks with the salary cap these days. And if you're going to toss it by the wayside like tomorrow's trash, you need to get more than Martin Erat out of it.
the capitals dont have a shortage of that. they have more than they can use.

erat is what they were looking for. latta appears to be another piece they specifically wanted. so, thats more than erat


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@ChrisKuc: #Blackhawks goaltender Ray Emery on the Predators: "Thatís a team you have to really play some boring hockey against."

I think the system did affect Erat's numbers...

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@ChrisKuc: #Blackhawks goaltender Ray Emery on the Predators: "Thatís a team you have to really play some boring hockey against."

I think the system did affect Erat's numbers...
The same system that was 8th in offense last season?

Erat is a streaky player, it had nothing to do with the system.

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The same system that was 8th in offense last season?

Erat is a streaky player, it had nothing to do with the system.
Yeah. Accordingly he led their offense with 58 points, while missing a handful of games. This year they are 27th. And you don't see an opposing player say stuff like that all the time.

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@ChrisKuc: #Blackhawks goaltender Ray Emery on the Predators: "That’s a team you have to really play some boring hockey against."

I think the system did affect Erat's numbers...
Emery loves to talk ****. The Preds play a defensive system and their games are always grind it out nail-biters. Traditional West style hockey. Doesn't change the fact that Erat was by far their most dangerous player everytime they played the Blues, and that as a team they were still productive offensively.


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What does a comment from Ray Emery have to do with anything? A guy talks ****, and suddenly it's proof that Erat was hindered by a system?

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A goalie speaks about boring hockey

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What does a comment from Ray Emery have to do with anything? A guy talks ****, and suddenly it's proof that Erat was hindered by a system?
No. There are a few posters (Preds fans I'm guessing) that argue that where Erat played had nothing to do with his production. But the majority agree that Erat likely would produce more on the Caps in a more offensive environment with more highly skilled players.

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Erat is a career easy50pt player.
He's smart and has a good stick.
Plus, HE CAN HELP YOU NOW.

Not every trade can be about the future. Maybe Forsberg does in fact go on to be a 70pt player a few seasons from now, but reality is right now he's unproven and can't help the team. Erat can come in NOW and give mentorship, wisdom and hopefully some goals along the way.

Its a decent trade by GMGM.
So Washington is going to "win now" as you say by trading their 2nd best prospect for a guy that has scored 8 goals and 15 pounds in his entire playoff career? Yah he's what Washington needs to win

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What trade has gmgm made that was for the future

in 2010 he gave away his 1st 2nd and 3rd picks so the Cap could win now (then)
He traded Varlmov for a 1st rd pick,he used it to draft the 11th overall pick to trade him for a 31 year old winger who is making 4.5M for another 2 years so the Caps can win now

He gave away a 2nd rd pick to get Huet so the cap could win now (then)
He gave away a 2nd to get Arnott so the Cap could win now (then)
He gave away a 2nd rd pick to move up 2 spots in the 1st rd so he could draft Gustafsson (he quit hockey I think)

GMGM last trade looking towards the future was trading Eminger for a 1st rd pick that turn into Carlson

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@ChrisKuc: #Blackhawks goaltender Ray Emery on the Predators: "Thatís a team you have to really play some boring hockey against."

I think the system did affect Erat's numbers...
Well, Emery certainly knows how to create entertainment by sucking badly.

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Is Emery wrong? Nashville does play boring hockey. He's not really trashing their team. It works for them, it would be nice if they played a more exciting style, but it works.

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You need to have young talent in your system to come up through the ranks with the salary cap these days. And if you're going to toss it by the wayside like tomorrow's trash, you need to get more than Martin Erat out of it.
We have a lot of it. Too much of it, especially at RW position - we have two exciting prospects at RW in Wilson and Barber.

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No. There are a few posters (Preds fans I'm guessing) that argue that where Erat played had nothing to do with his production. But the majority agree that Erat likely would produce more on the Caps in a more offensive environment with more highly skilled players.
So he's played 2 games so far how for this wide open system in Washington, how many points does he have?

I think it's funny, you say Nashville's system hinders Erat, yet Richard Clune had the same amount of goals as Erat.

Sometimes you have to call a spade a spade.

Erat is a good players that puts up 50-60 points every season, he battles hard, and battles injuries.

He plays the same system that allowed Dumont and Sullivan to put up good numbers, is Erat just not as good as those two?

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