HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Atlantic Division > Boston Bruins
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

What is REALLY wrong?

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
04-07-2013, 07:29 AM
  #51
GoBs
Registered User
 
GoBs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: USA
Country: United States
Posts: 3,318
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by bowline View Post
Really the only important piece looking his age is Chara. Guy looks spent every game. Ference is a non factor now. They need better dmen than Bartkowski and Ference.
Ference played well last night. Probably his best game all season.

GoBs is offline  
Old
04-07-2013, 07:30 AM
  #52
GoBs
Registered User
 
GoBs's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: USA
Country: United States
Posts: 3,318
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by JMiller View Post
Who are you thinking? Marchand? Boychuck?
Marshy has a shoulder injury.

GoBs is offline  
Old
04-07-2013, 07:32 AM
  #53
KrejciMVP
Registered User
 
KrejciMVP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Montreal, Quebec
Country: Canada
Posts: 4,824
vCash: 500
Its not that the Bruins played terribly, it was only 2-1, coaching was an issue. Going to give Julien the pass and the chance to make the obvious offensive move.

KrejciMVP is online now  
Old
04-07-2013, 07:35 AM
  #54
doakacola*
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 9,231
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by GoBs View Post
Ference played well last night. Probably his best game all season.
He had a solid 1st period. He had a horrible TO in the 3rd period and failed miserably keeping the puck in Montreals zone in the 3 rd also. Yeah he played better than he has but that's damming with faint praise as they say.

doakacola* is offline  
Old
04-07-2013, 07:36 AM
  #55
TheBigBadB
Registered User
 
TheBigBadB's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: North Andover
Country: United States
Posts: 7,156
vCash: 500
Real easy, no identity..

The reason Lucic is a 6 million dollar player had nothing to do with his production and more to do with being the identity of this team. He hit hard, took on all comers, played with a chip on his shoulder and gave a blue worker effort every shift. He gave the bruins the identity of a hard to play against team. The team followed suit. As soon as he became a "scorer" the team emotional started to becoming indifferent in the way they play. Basically making it tougher to get mentally engaged in a game.

It can not be all pinned on Lucic though. Other players need to step up and be that identity guy. As you could see last night during that 6 on 4, there is no one that wants to be that guy on this team. This falls down to the captain as well. He should be screaming at his players on the bench, laying people out, stepping up and being a leader. He is playing like a follower as well. Its scary how complacent everyone is on this team.

So the question is when will they finally get emotional engaged, come out focus, and play with a chip on their shoulders again? The answer is when someone finally has had enough and finally steps up as a leader. Not for one shift, or one game. Someone that will do it consistently each game. Until then we are stuck with this team and its lack of identity.

TheBigBadB is offline  
Old
04-07-2013, 07:37 AM
  #56
ODAAT
Registered User
 
ODAAT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Halifax
Country: Canada
Posts: 31,121
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by mobileusa View Post
I have thought about goalie issues, injured players, Thornton getting clocked, attitude, effort, desire, contracts, coaches, low scoring, etc...

But what is(are) the REAL reason(s)??

I have been a fan for 30 years all in Mobile, Alabama
and have never felt like I have this year. It's frustrating
Too much comfort

Team hasn`t had the same attitude since.......wait for it......here it comes.....Recci retired

ODAAT is offline  
Old
04-07-2013, 08:01 AM
  #57
C77
Registered User
 
C77's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Junior's Farm
Country: United States
Posts: 13,762
vCash: 500
1. The defense is too heavily weighted toward shutting down the other team. They need another guy that is good at moving the puck. Otherwise you have the 5 d to d passes and the inevitable turnovers. Chara and Hamilton both handle the puck pretty well. The rest of the guys not so much.

2. The players aren't competing that hard. The Bruins have been outskated, outworked, and outhit many times this year.

3. They don't attack with speed and they are stuck on the perimeter in the offensive zone so they don't draw any penalties. And the powerplay is humming along at 14%.

4. The offensive creativity of the players is nullified by focusing so much on defensive responsibilities.

C77 is offline  
Old
04-07-2013, 08:07 AM
  #58
ODAAT
Registered User
 
ODAAT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Halifax
Country: Canada
Posts: 31,121
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by C77 View Post
1. The defense is too heavily weighted toward shutting down the other team. They need another guy that is good at moving the puck. Otherwise you have the 5 d to d passes and the inevitable turnovers. Chara and Hamilton both handle the puck pretty well. The rest of the guys not so much.

2. The players aren't competing that hard. The Bruins have been outskated, outworked, and outhit many times this year.

3. They don't attack with speed and they are stuck on the perimeter in the offensive zone so they don't draw any penalties. And the powerplay is humming along at 14%.

4. The offensive creativity of the players is nullified by focusing so much on defensive responsibilities.
Calling BS on the last one, this team, under the exact same Julien system, has had little trouble scoring when moving their feet in years gone by, if not mistaken, a top 5 team in scoring a few times.

Long known fact, solid D, leads to puck possession which leads to transition, once the boys have the puck and are attacking, I`m pretty sure Julien hasn`t instructed them to not be creative, not move their feet, not shoot the bloody puck, but only to attack but with the mindset that Defense is first

How many times have I watched this team have 2 players already moving outside of their zone when the puck wasn`t cleared?? Too many

ODAAT is offline  
Old
04-07-2013, 08:16 AM
  #59
C77
Registered User
 
C77's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Junior's Farm
Country: United States
Posts: 13,762
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ODAAT View Post
Calling BS on the last one, this team, under the exact same Julien system, has had little trouble scoring when moving their feet in years gone by, if not mistaken, a top 5 team in scoring a few times.

Long known fact, solid D, leads to puck possession which leads to transition, one the boys have the puck and are attacking, I`m pretty sure Julien hasn`t instructed them to not be creative, not move their feet, not shoot the bloody puck, but only to attack but with the mindset that Defense is first

They are too stationary in the offensive zone and afraid to make a mistake. The whole team has no confidence offensively. If you watch Krejci play for the Czech Olympic team he looks much different than he does for the Bruins. Plus Seguin has a great offensive mind and skills but I don't think he is in a position to succeed to his fullest potential right now. This is the way it is when the coach stresses sticking to the defensive system all the time and after so much time here the players don't buy it.

C77 is offline  
Old
04-07-2013, 08:19 AM
  #60
JMiller
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Watertown
Posts: 16,571
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheBigBadB View Post
Real easy, no identity..

The reason Lucic is a 6 million dollar player had nothing to do with his production and more to do with being the identity of this team. He hit hard, took on all comers, played with a chip on his shoulder and gave a blue worker effort every shift. He gave the bruins the identity of a hard to play against team. The team followed suit. As soon as he became a "scorer" the team emotional started to becoming indifferent in the way they play. Basically making it tougher to get mentally engaged in a game.

It can not be all pinned on Lucic though. Other players need to step up and be that identity guy. As you could see last night during that 6 on 4, there is no one that wants to be that guy on this team. This falls down to the captain as well. He should be screaming at his players on the bench, laying people out, stepping up and being a leader. He is playing like a follower as well. Its scary how complacent everyone is on this team.

So the question is when will they finally get emotional engaged, come out focus, and play with a chip on their shoulders again? The answer is when someone finally has had enough and finally steps up as a leader. Not for one shift, or one game. Someone that will do it consistently each game. Until then we are stuck with this team and its lack of identity.
The Habs are just a difficult style team for Lucic to play against. When he plays his game the reffs take him off the ice- see giving Plakanec a shove after getting slashed at. He knocked Emelin out of the game and helped set up Horton for a couple great chances. All things considered he didn't have a bad game last night. He needs to play with a little more confidence, and part of me wishes he'd take the Pronger approach- just take the penalties that go with your kind of play and eventually they'll stop calling them. As it is he's tentitive to go all out. Maybe a game or two on the third line would get him back to a straightforward game, but as it is he's one of the best two or three forwards that the team can ice right now.


Missing their #1 and #3 centers and losing 2-1 to one of the top teams in the league isn't neccisarily a cause for blowing anything up. Chia's been making changes in the last few weeks, it will be interesting to see what he does from here.

Jagr's been a sideshow to this point.

I just hope they get a handfull of games as a full roster before the playoffs to find their team game.

JMiller is online now  
Old
04-07-2013, 08:19 AM
  #61
ODAAT
Registered User
 
ODAAT's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Halifax
Country: Canada
Posts: 31,121
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by C77 View Post
They are too stationary in the offensive zone and afraid to make a mistake. The whole team has no confidence offensively. If you watch Krejci play for the Czech Olympic team he looks much different than he does for the Bruins. Plus Seguin has a great offensive mind and skills but I don't think he is in a position to succeed to his fullest potential right now. This is the way it is when the coach stresses sticking to the defensive system all the time and after so much time here the players don't buy it.
How is it that Segs isn`t in the position to succeed??? He was handed Bergy`s job and couldn`t win a faceoff, from Julien`s comments, wasn`t ready for what he`s been given and I sure haven`t read one comment saying otherwise. The kid has been very good on the wall and has improved his game in all 3 zones. I`m perfectly fine if Seguin never winds up as a centerman and no way you`ll have me say Julien hasn`t put him in a position to succeed

As for how Krejci plays when he represents his country??? Sorry, not even close to being the same, when he`s in that role, he`s playing with the elite of Czech

ODAAT is offline  
Old
04-07-2013, 08:24 AM
  #62
doakacola*
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 9,231
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by JMiller View Post
The Habs are just a difficult style team for Lucic to play against. When he plays his game the reffs take him off the ice- see giving Plakanec a shove after getting slashed at. He knocked Emelin out of the game and helped set up Horton for a couple great chances. All things considered he didn't have a bad game last night. He needs to play with a little more confidence, and part of me wishes he'd take the Pronger approach- just take the penalties that go with your kind of play and eventually they'll stop calling them. As it is he's tentitive to go all out. Maybe a game or two on the third line would get him back to a straightforward game, but as it is he's one of the best two or three forwards that the team can ice right now.


Missing their #1 and #3 centers and losing 2-1 to one of the top teams in the league isn't neccisarily a cause for blowing anything up. Chia's been making changes in the last few weeks, it will be interesting to see what he does from here.

Jagr's been a sideshow to this point.

I just hope they get a handfull of games as a full roster before the playoffs to find their team game.
Please Lucic was not given a penalty for "shoving " Plekanec. He legally knocked him down then
clearly cross checked him in the back of the head. Whether or not Plekenec slashed him earlier
or "sold " the cross check, Lucic 100% deserved the penalty. Take off your Homer glasses. No one else other than Boston homers would say it wasn't a penalty.

doakacola* is offline  
Old
04-07-2013, 08:26 AM
  #63
C77
Registered User
 
C77's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Junior's Farm
Country: United States
Posts: 13,762
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by ODAAT View Post
How is it that Segs isn`t in the position to succeed??? He was handed Bergy`s job and couldn`t win a faceoff, from Julien`s comments, wasn`t ready for what he`s been given and I sure haven`t read one comment saying otherwise. The kid has been very good on the wall and has improved his game in all 3 zones. I`m perfectly fine if Seguin never winds up as a centerman and no way you`ll have me say Julien hasn`t put him in a position to succeed

As for how Krejci plays when he represents his country??? Sorry, not even close to being the same, when he`s in that role, he`s playing with the elite of Czech

To get the most out of Seguin the Bruins need to take advantage of his speed and the style of play the Bruins have doesn't allow that.

You could go three games in a row without seeing a single 2 on 1 in the Bruins favor.

And Krejci played really well with Fleischmann in Vancouver and Fleischmann is a 20 goal guy.

C77 is offline  
Old
04-07-2013, 08:32 AM
  #64
C77
Registered User
 
C77's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Junior's Farm
Country: United States
Posts: 13,762
vCash: 500
The Bruins scoring issues are pretty much like the Rangers who have had the players to score more goals but haven't been able to. Coaches like Julien and Tortorella want to control everything with defensive-focused hockey and the offense suffers for it which leaves the Bruins with no margin for error.

When they get in the playoffs and can only score 2 goals a game it's not good enough because you can't count on winning a shoot-out that doesn't exist. I hope that will change with Bergeron + Kelly back.

And as far as Seguin goes....A guy with that amount of offensive talent should be getting 20 minutes a night especially when the team is struggling to score. He has the talent level to be able to carry a team offensively for a period of time. I wasn't referring to him not succeeding at the center position. There are too many games when Julien is only playing him 16 minutes.

C77 is offline  
Old
04-07-2013, 08:42 AM
  #65
stick9
Registered User
 
stick9's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Country: United States
Posts: 9,957
vCash: 500
Plain and simple, expectations.

Winning raises expectations at times to unrealistic levels. This team would need to be near perfect for people to be satisfied.

stick9 is offline  
Old
04-07-2013, 08:47 AM
  #66
Shoebottom
Bruin exiting lair
 
Shoebottom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: 7 steps from my can
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,774
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by mobileusa View Post
I have thought about goalie issues, injured players, Thornton getting clocked, attitude, effort, desire, contracts, coaches, low scoring, etc...

But what is(are) the REAL reason(s)??

I have been a fan for 30 years all in Mobile, Alabama
and have never felt like I have this year. It's frustrating
Its all of the above. There is no single reason out there. They're still playing well, ust not as well as they could. I got faith they'll get their **** together. You saw glimpses of how good they can be in that 6-5 loss to the habs, but you also saw how frustrating it can be.

Shoebottom is offline  
Old
04-07-2013, 08:47 AM
  #67
doakacola*
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 9,231
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by stick9 View Post
Plain and simple, expectations.

Winning raises expectations at times to unrealistic levels. This team would need to be near perfect for people to be satisfied.
I wish it was that simple. However aside from Bergeron and his injury you have important players just mailing too many efforts in.

In addition you had some pretty dreadful HS level TO last night. Chara, Ference, Bartkowski and Lucic all had brutal communion level TO in the game.

doakacola* is offline  
Old
04-07-2013, 08:48 AM
  #68
Duguay
Stay at home Forward
 
Duguay's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Ottawa
Country: Canada
Posts: 17,064
vCash: 500
Look, I understand the whole superfan thing, but there is no other way but to be pragmatic about this.

I agree this team has been lacking, and I think we all understand that a very busy, condensed March had something to do with it. Also, facing the first serious injury of the season -- piled onto that.

Kellys injury unsettled a couple of lines and hurt possession play.

Peaking too early and hitting a malaise in late April is a much worse affliction IMO.

At the end of all that -- here's the good News;

*11 games left to get healthy and get in good rhythm
*Winning % as nearly as good as it was in the Stanley Cup Season

(points in over 70% of games played in both seasons)

I remind you of a very rough February in that season when this team lost 4 in a row including an 8-6 loss to the very same Montreal Canadiens.

Many people here had to be talked off the ledge.

People forget, and the media looking to quench the thirst of the Super-Fan over magnifies; resulting in mass hysteria if *everything* doesn't go according to perfect.

It is unreasonable.

I know this;

This team has just as good a chance as ANY to walk away with another Stanley Cup this season.

Go ahead and argue this point with me. That may be fun. Only time will tell if this is the team we saw earlier this year, or as of late. They have the potential for either, either or, or a combo of both.

Duguay is offline  
Old
04-07-2013, 08:57 AM
  #69
JMiller
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Watertown
Posts: 16,571
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Duguay2 View Post
Look, I understand the whole superfan thing, but there is no other way but to be pragmatic about this.

I agree this team has been lacking, and I think we all understand that a very busy, condensed March had something to do with it. Also, facing the first serious injury of the season -- piled onto that.

Kellys injury unsettled a couple of lines and hurt possession play.

Peaking too early and hitting a malaise in late April is a much worse affliction IMO.

At the end of all that -- here's the good News;

*11 games left to get healthy and get in good rhythm
*Winning % as nearly as good as it was in the Stanley Cup Season

(points in over 70% of games played in both seasons)

I remind you of a very rough February in that season when this team lost 4 in a row including an 8-6 loss to the very same Montreal Canadiens.

Many people here had to be talked off the ledge.

People forget, and the media looking to quench the thirst of the Super-Fan over magnifies; resulting in mass hysteria if *everything* doesn't go according to perfect.

It is unreasonable.

I know this;

This team has just as good a chance as ANY to walk away with another Stanley Cup this season.

Go ahead and argue this point with me. That may be fun. Only time will tell if this is the team we saw earlier this year, or as of late. They have the potential for either, either or, or a combo of both.
It will be something to see this roster with the addition of Bergeron, Kelly, the Yeti and McQUaid. Cant wait to see what they can do.

JMiller is online now  
Old
04-07-2013, 09:08 AM
  #70
C77
Registered User
 
C77's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Junior's Farm
Country: United States
Posts: 13,762
vCash: 500
It's about the players competing harder which they haven't done since that Vancouver game last year.

Look at Ottawa this year....No Karlsson, no Spezza, no Michalek,. Their leading scorers Turris and 38 year old defenseman Gonchar have 22 points and yet as a team they have only scored 9 fewer goals than Boston.

How else can this be explained except for hard work and Ottawa's players buying in?

This Bruins team has been largely blessed with good health this year compared to most teams.

There's a quote I recall by a famous coach something like "A good coach makes his team 10% better and a bad coach makes his team 25% worse."

The Bruins players too often aren't motivated and it's probably going to look like the Washington series unless they have someone that can motivate them.

Who on this Bruins team is exceeding expectations besides Rask/Khudobin?

C77 is offline  
Old
04-07-2013, 09:14 AM
  #71
GuinnRocks
Registered User
 
GuinnRocks's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Around
Country: United States
Posts: 366
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by C77 View Post
1. The defense is too heavily weighted toward shutting down the other team. They need another guy that is good at moving the puck. Otherwise you have the 5 d to d passes and the inevitable turnovers. Chara and Hamilton both handle the puck pretty well. The rest of the guys not so much.

2. The players aren't competing that hard. The Bruins have been outskated, outworked, and outhit many times this year.

3. They don't attack with speed and they are stuck on the perimeter in the offensive zone so they don't draw any penalties. And the powerplay is humming along at 14%.

4. The offensive creativity of the players is nullified by focusing so much on defensive responsibilities.
This. Especially first point, Chiarelli has built his D corps on overwhelmingly keeping puck out of their own net - eschewing offensive emphasis (which naturally leads to defensive risks by nature) to help get it into opposition's net.

Just how unbalanced are Habs defensemen's ability to score versus Bruins?

Here's a sobering stat line:
Points scored by Habs defenseman this year total: 100.
Points scored by Bruins defense: 59.

Absolutely pathetic.

What an advantage teams have playing Bruins knowing outside of Chara and a neophyte Hamilton, they can rest easy knowing The other 4 blue liners usually are zero threat to be a significant part of scoresheet, or attack.

This will be Chiarelli's downfall come Cup run.

GuinnRocks is offline  
Old
04-07-2013, 09:15 AM
  #72
oreillyisgod
Unregistered User
 
oreillyisgod's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Massachusetts
Country: United States
Posts: 175
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ladyfan View Post
Injured players...and not just the ones who are not on the ice.
agree, I think if the truth were known Marchand has been playing with a shoulder injury for the last couple of weeks. I'm always a little reluctant to criticize players in hockey and football for effort or miscues as you never know who is playing hurt. Its not like baseball where a guy hurts himself toweling off on the bench and goes on the disabled list....

oreillyisgod is offline  
Old
04-07-2013, 09:17 AM
  #73
smithformeragent
Moderator
 
smithformeragent's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Manchester NH
Country: United States
Posts: 10,673
vCash: 500
Send a message via AIM to smithformeragent
1. Injuries

2. The fact that their #1 play making center is totally useless on the PP. They never replaced Savard's offense on the PP and it shows. Way too stationary and predictable.

__________________
Don't put metal in the science oven.
smithformeragent is offline  
Old
04-07-2013, 09:20 AM
  #74
DK46
Registered User
 
DK46's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Hanwell, NB
Posts: 114
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Artemis View Post
Go back in the threads to March 2011 - they're still there - and you'll find the same laments.

They lost a 1-goal game after winning three straight. It's a dissapointment and a bummer but it's not the end of the world.

:Goes off to read a good book:
Can't completely disagree that many of the concerns are still being discussed but you can pick various years and probably get the same thing.....the difference this time appears to be deeper...the team when winning is barely doing it with any authority, defense are not communicating, no desire or will to win, waiting for someone else to lead and take reigns, coaching, have they tuned out Julien, at some point the pp woes have to get to the core of the team, etc

2011 is long gone....we the fans and the team need to let it go...we sound like habs fans living in the past (not referring to you)...It's over...... if this team wants another cup they need to start showing it but time for them to turn it around as this season is running out and with it the window closes a little more

I'm hoping when bergeron, Kelly and maybe soderberg are in the lineup that the hunger comes back but to me some of these guys still seem full from 2011.....and yes our depth is playing a role in this with guys like pandolfo and Caron who have no business to be on this team

DK46 is offline  
Old
04-07-2013, 09:30 AM
  #75
C77
Registered User
 
C77's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Junior's Farm
Country: United States
Posts: 13,762
vCash: 500
I agree. Julien is obviously a good coach but at this point I don't think it is working here. Just because a team has played well under a coach in the past doesn't mean the coach should keep his job forever. If the coach can't get the most out of his players, then something needs to change.

Pat Burns was a great coach according to most experts and he won the Jack Adams with three different teams.

C77 is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:05 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2015 All Rights Reserved.