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04-06-2013, 06:53 PM
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Klimchuk - Talented offensive player with average size.
Hartman - Callahan-type player who will become hated by the rivals of whoever drafts him.
Lazar - All-around center with excellent goal scoring ability.
Sorensen - Bit of a puzzling player. Has talent, but not really a true calling card offensively. Solid 2-way guy it seems.
Lodge - Big, talented...but seemingly soft.
Zadorov - Should go top 15. Big monster defenceman who is extremely physical. CSB is out to lunch ranking him this late.
I could see MB wanting Rychel Hartman or Lazar if they make it to our pick.

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The NHL.com mock is a joke, don't read anything into it. I would not take him with any of our first 3 picks. Maybe with our late 2nd. He's tools and upside more than an actual good player at this stage.
And it turns out that's exactly what scouts are looking for in a prospect. Bailey could be one of those guys that explodes next year to finish top-10 in OHL scoring.

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Mantha was beyond brutal last night, didn't do anything with the puck and was a liability without it. and likely got a 1game suspension for removing his opponent helmet off in a useless fight at the end of the game (stupid rule btw).
When Mantha is off, he's way off. His consistency is an issue, no doubt.

Funny thing about the removal of the helmet rule... I think it's smart. The stupid thing is letting a hockey player remove his opponent's helmet and punch the back of his head. It's stupid and dangerous and goes against the essence of every fighting sport out there. Not to mention that someone will fall on the head and crack open his skull, eventually.


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04-06-2013, 07:16 PM
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24 Klimchuk, Morgan Left Wing Regina WHL
25 Hartman, Ryan Right Wing USA U-18 USHL
26 Lazar, Curtis Right Wing/Center Edmonton WHL
27 Sorensen, Nick Right Wing Quebec QMJHL
28 Lodge, Jimmy Center Saginaw OHL
29 Bjorkstrand, Oliver Left Wing Herning DENMARK
30 Zadorov, Nikita


Apparently these so far are Central scouting's 24 - 30. assuming that we end somewhere in that range an anyone tell me anything about these possible guys?
Seriously? Both Lazar and Zadorov have no business in the 2nd round but if they do end up there, it would be amazing for the Habs. I see them both in the top-15.

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04-06-2013, 08:07 PM
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M-O Roy with 2 more points tonight...13(5-8-13) in 6+ games so far. Has to be raising his stock.

Mantha suspended from a fight last night.

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I could see MB wanting Rychel Hartman or Lazar if they make it to our pick.
Hartman and Rychel fits our style and Chicago's type. Perfect for MB.

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04-06-2013, 09:05 PM
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Hartman and Rychel fits our style and Chicago's type. Perfect for MB.
Lazar too, saw him play last week, plays bigger than his size and can finish. Bigger version of Gallagher.

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Seriously? Both Lazar and Zadorov have no business in the 2nd round but if they do end up there, it would be amazing for the Habs. I see them both in the top-15.
Lazar has to be one of the most underrated player. For me, it's IMPOSSIBLE to not have him top 20. Even if it's such a strong draft 'cause frankly...he's such a strong player. Safe and great.

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04-06-2013, 09:09 PM
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M-O Roy with 2 more points tonight...13(5-8-13) in 6+ games so far. Has to be raising his stock.

Mantha suspended from a fight last night.
Roy is slowly but surely making a case for himself. That's for sure. I will have to get another closer look and go to Blainville next game they play there.

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04-06-2013, 09:16 PM
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Lazar has to be one of the most underrated player. For me, it's IMPOSSIBLE to not have him top 20. Even if it's such a strong draft 'cause frankly...he's such a strong player. Safe and great.
Edmonton will likely pick him unless they fold like a cheap suit during the stretch run. They seem to like Oil King players and he fills a need on their team. My guess is 12 - 15 but top 20 is easy.

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04-06-2013, 09:27 PM
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From what I read this year's draft is basically deep until the 4th round. Quantity rather than Quality.

Basically to break it down.

#1-4 superstar potential (Jones, Drouin, Mckinnon and Barkov)
#5-10 could turn out solid NHLer's
#11-25 not much difference between these picks.
then there's the bottom half from 26-55, ~56-90 are similar.
the skill level drops dramatically after #90.

this is probably why MB gave up a 5th rounder for Drewiske.

Since we have 4 picks in the first two rounds, its like having 4 late first round picks.

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04-06-2013, 09:57 PM
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Erne with 3 points tonight, picking up the pace...too bad he'll be gone by our pick.

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04-06-2013, 11:55 PM
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Max Domi is my choice kids great and should go late 1st

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Max Domi is my choice kids great and should go late 1st
Funny... I have him top 10 ala Jeff Skinner.
I don't think there is any chance he drops further than 20.

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From what I read this year's draft is basically deep until the 4th round. Quantity rather than Quality.

Basically to break it down.

#1-4 superstar potential (Jones, Drouin, Mckinnon and Barkov)
#5-10 could turn out solid NHLer's
#11-25 not much difference between these picks.
then there's the bottom half from 26-55, ~56-90 are similar.
the skill level drops dramatically after #90.

this is probably why MB gave up a 5th rounder for Drewiske.

Since we have 4 picks in the first two rounds, its like having 4 late first round picks.
I think the tiers of the ~1st are shaping up more like 1-6, 7-12, 13-20, 21-35ish

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04-07-2013, 01:06 AM
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Funny... I have him top 10 ala Jeff Skinner.
I don't think there is any chance he drops further than 20.
I looke quickly at iss rankings to see where he is at. But I don't know tough to say when he's gonna get picked because his size

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04-07-2013, 01:07 AM
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Lazar has to be one of the most underrated player. For me, it's IMPOSSIBLE to not have him top 20. Even if it's such a strong draft 'cause frankly...he's such a strong player. Safe and great.
Frankly... I'd see him go top 10. I've said it before, there's not many players I'd pick ahead of him. As a scout I think you need to look at what the player could be and what his bust potential is. What could he be ? He could be a first liner. What is his bust potential? I'd say it's extremely low. If he bust's he'll likely become a Prust type of player.(Highly unlikely IMO)

He has a good overall skillset, good at everything, tough, strong, fast, intangibles, one of the best fighter in the draft, EXTREMELY high IQ, awesome shot...

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04-07-2013, 07:19 AM
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Max Domi is my choice kids great and should go late 1st
Most people have him mid 1st...11-20.

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04-07-2013, 09:23 AM
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From what I read this year's draft is basically deep until the 4th round. Quantity rather than Quality.

Basically to break it down.

#1-4 superstar potential (Jones, Drouin, Mckinnon and Barkov)
#5-10 could turn out solid NHLer's
#11-25 not much difference between these picks.
then there's the bottom half from 26-55, ~56-90 are similar.
the skill level drops dramatically after #90.

this is probably why MB gave up a 5th rounder for Drewiske.

Since we have 4 picks in the first two rounds, its like having 4 late first round picks.
Id go with:
#1-#5 have superstar p0tential(add Nichushkin in there)
#6-#12 could be very good players<-------------
#13-#22 could be solid player
#23-#55 are very similar
#56-#90 are very similar

Monahan, Lindholm, Shinkaruk, Risto, Pulock, Nurse and Zadorov. Better than solid NHL'ers.

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04-07-2013, 09:25 AM
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Frankly... I'd see him go top 10. I've said it before, there's not many players I'd pick ahead of him. As a scout I think you need to look at what the player could be and what his bust potential is. What could he be ? He could be a first liner. What is his bust potential? I'd say it's extremely low. If he bust's he'll likely become a Prust type of player.(Highly unlikely IMO)

He has a good overall skillset, good at everything, tough, strong, fast, intangibles, one of the best fighter in the draft, EXTREMELY high IQ, awesome shot...
Never seen Lazar play but would a cross between a Prust and Gallgher be a fair assestment? How is his speed? Would it implement into our style well?


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04-07-2013, 09:47 AM
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Those second round picks from Calgary and Nashville are looking better and better. Calgary is only one point out from last in the league...how great would it be to have the 31st pick. Nashville also seems to be taking a dive, it would be nice for them to drop down to the bottom 5 in the league standings. When you look at Dallas suffering as well, that 3rd round pick could end up being in the 63-67 range.

First Round

1. 26-30 Range

Second Round

2. 31-35 Range
3. 33-38 Range
4. 56-60 Range

Third Round

5. 63-67 Range
6. 86-90 Range


We could take a chance or two on a boom or bust player with all those picks.

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04-07-2013, 11:27 AM
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Never seen Lazar play but would a cross between a Prust and Gallgher be a fair assestment? How is his speed? Would it implement into our style well?
Good speed. Edmonton will take him as they like the hometown boys even it it means using a 2nd round pick on a 4th liner - Moroz. Not smart management but Lazar would be a good pick. Mtl needs big wingers like Erne and maybe a nasty like Rychel. That would fill our team out very well.

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04-07-2013, 11:30 AM
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Lazar is a good skater and a better shooter than Gallagher. He'd fit in very well, IMO.

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Marc-Olivier Roy reminds me so much of Patrice Bergeron.

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04-07-2013, 01:21 PM
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Marc-Olivier Roy reminds me so much of Patrice Bergeron.
Speaking of the BBA, I'd take a late round flier on Clapperton. Thought he was worth a mid to late round pick last year, and he's improved again this year.

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I still have Lindholm ranked 1#.

Very hard to say who is going to perform better post draft.

Drouin - Mckinnon - Barkov - Lindholm - Jones, the top 5 teams will be happy. Mckinnon and Jones have slightly lesser risk profiles, that's why they might go 1-2. However teams could fall in love with the high potential of Drouin or Barkov. Lindholm is just the all-around high compete.

Then comes the high potential, higher risks.

Monahan,
Nichushkin
etc.

I haven't changed my stance on Domi all year, I see a lot of risk with small players vs concussions going forward. (It was the same 15 years ago, we just have a lot more data on that nowadays with better detection, enough to account for it at draft day.)

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