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04-07-2013, 02:47 PM
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Value of the MacKinnon Pick

If you were the GM who wound up with the pick that lands Nathan MacKinnon, what would it take to pry him from you?

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If Florida wound up with that pick, what do you think they would want from the Isles for him if Tavares and Hamonic were off the table?

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If you were the GM who wound up with the pick that lands Nathan MacKinnon, what would it take to pry him from you?

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If Florida wound up with that pick, what do you think they would want from the Isles for him if Tavares and Hamonic were off the table?
Absolutely nothing....

You cant take a guy like Hamonic off the table and seriously try to make an offer for a player of Mackinnons caliber.


Laughable.

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Probably from NYI it'd be strome++

I'd do Gardiner+Colborne+1st or 2nd

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If you were the GM who wound up with the pick that lands Nathan MacKinnon, what would it take to pry him from you?

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If Florida wound up with that pick, what do you think they would want from the Isles for him if Tavares and Hamonic were off the table?
The last team that would trade their top draft pick, especially someone like MacKinnon would be the Panthers. Tallon don't do those sort of things. Go ask Calgary.

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Probably something around all 5 of your top prospects...

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I think in the LeCavalier year Tampa Bay was offered 4 1sts......it got turned down.

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I'd trade our 1st and Jake Gardiner.

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If you were the GM who wound up with the pick that lands Nathan MacKinnon, what would it take to pry him from you?

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If Florida wound up with that pick, what do you think they would want from the Isles for him if Tavares and Hamonic were off the table?
I would think the only way the top 1-3 picks are moved, is if the teams drafting top 3 are trading among themselves because they have Jones/MacKinnon/Drouin so closely ranked. Kind of like the teams drafting top 3 in 2009, were so high on all of Tavares/Hedman/Duchene.

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Really don't see the team that lands the pick (whether #1,#2, or #3) in this draft trading it. Would likely have to include multiple future firsts including another top 5 pick in this years draft. In fact I'd say I could see the top 3 swapping with eachother pretty easily, and everyone else not even getting their calls picked up.

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I'd trade our 1st and Jake Gardiner.
That wouldn't get you close to a Top 3 pick..... Seriously not even close.

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Only thing that would make teams consider trading a top 3 pick away in this draft is ridiculous overpayment. Gardiner and a 1st isn't that.

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Unless you hear from MacKinnon's agent claiming that his player won't report you keep the pick and chose MacKinnon.

Even if he did refuse to report I think I'd still make the pick and trade him when I absolutely have no other choice. My hunch is that a 20 year old NHL-ready MacKinnon is more valuable than an 18 year old version.

But if you do have to trade the pick I'd expect that you'd have to have at least 5-6 majour assets on the table in order for it to work. I don't know if the Islanders would have those kinds of players around. Maybe 2 first round picks, 2 top prospects and a couple of roster players?

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That wouldn't get you close to a Top 3 pick..... Seriously not even close.
Young dynamic top 4 defenseman with top pairing potential and 16th-25th pick in the NHL Draft. Yeah, we'd probably have to add something but I don't see how it wouldn't get us close.

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Only thing that would make teams consider trading a top 3 pick away in this draft is ridiculous overpayment. Gardiner and a 1st isn't that.
I agree. It isn't ridiculous overpayment. I was more trying to gauge what would be fair value.

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I'd trade our 1st and Jake Gardiner.
More like 1st+Morgan Reilly

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Is it 1st overall with Seth Jones and Jonathan Drouin still available? 2nd overall, 3rd overall?

Lets say Florida gets the 2nd overall pick and Colorado drafted Seth Jones 1st.

To Isles:
-Nathan MacKinnon(even though in this scenario I would say trade with Calgary for 3rd overall and take Drouin).

To Panthers:
-1st round pick(right now 16th overall)
-Nino Niederreiter
-Calvin DeHaan
-depth player

I may be way off. I guess it depends how highly the teams regard MacKinnon. This seems like a lot to me since it is pretty much a 16th overall pick, 5th overall pick, 12 overall pick and a depth player for the 2nd overall pick.

Im sure people will say it is worth way more though.

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Unless you hear from MacKinnon's agent claiming that his player won't report you keep the pick and chose MacKinnon.

Even if he did refuse to report I think I'd still make the pick and trade him when I absolutely have no other choice. My hunch is that a 20 year old NHL-ready MacKinnon is more valuable than an 18 year old version.

But if you do have to trade the pick I'd expect that you'd have to have at least 5-6 majour assets on the table in order for it to work. I don't know if the Islanders would have those kinds of players around. Maybe 2 first round picks, 2 top prospects and a couple of roster players?
I thought MacKinnon was a potential franchise player.

I hadn't realized he was a generational talent, like Crosby.

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I think in the LeCavalier year Tampa Bay was offered 4 1sts......it got turned down.
Didn't the Islanders offer all their picks in one draft for the first overall? I think that got laughed out of the park.

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Young dynamic top 4 defenseman with top pairing potential and 16th-25th pick in the NHL Draft. Yeah, we'd probably have to add something but I don't see how it wouldn't get us close.
Look closer then. If you could draft MacKinnon, would you take a late draft pick and a skilled but inconsistent defenseman for him? No. MacKinnon is a potential franchise player. Those don't get traded for one good player and a late first. You'd need to add another serious piece to even get consideration.

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Perhaps Strome + Islanders 1st, if the team that has the MacKinnon pick likes Strome a lot.

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Didn't the Islanders offer all their picks in one draft for the first overall? I think that got laughed out of the park.
Wasn't it the 2nd overall last year?

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I thought MacKinnon was a potential franchise player.

I hadn't realized he was a generational talent, like Crosby.
A franchise player is still a primary asset to add to your team. If another team wants it one would think they'd have to pay big-time for it.

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Wasn't it the 2nd overall last year?
Might have been - yeah.

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Didn't the Islanders offer all their picks in one draft for the first overall? I think that got laughed out of the park.
Columbus beat writer says the isles offered all their 2012 picks for Columbus #1, which was I think 2nd overall.

The NY Post denies it happened.

Some fans have speculated over where Snow wanted Murray or if he wanted Columbus pick, only if Nail were still on the board.

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I thought MacKinnon was a potential franchise player.

I hadn't realized he was a generational talent, like Crosby.
I don't think many seriously consider him to be a generational talent. He may even fall to 3rd overall in this upcoming NHL Entry Draft if a team favours Seth Jones and Jonathan Drouin -- Two equally talented prospects, over Nathan MacKinnon.

No doubt about it though, he has all the makings of a potential franchise player. Any team drafting top 3 or even top 10 is in for a very good player.

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