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04-07-2013, 10:23 AM
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If Kreider comes back for the playoffs and we could see him playing with Brass and Hags...

EDIT: Strike that, completely forgot Hags is LW too


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Brassard can turn out to be our 2nd line center. He has everything we need. Vision, skill and the ability to stay calm under pressure. The change of scenery has really been good for him. I hope he can keep it up.

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I have always liked Brassard. He seems to have an idea of what he wants to do with the puck every time he has it. Where Gabby, Dubinsky and Anisimov always looked like they were still trying to figure out what to do.

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Moore to me has come in and done the most important thing possible. He took awful Hamrlick off the ice who allowed players to stand in front of Hank all alone. You can clearly see he has offensive skill. Getting him in the Gabby deal was a steal. Teams usually don't give those kind of talents away for under achieving players.
Teams that offer up an underachiever themselves, and a player who's hurt for almost the rest of the season would have to also include some kind of prospect worth a damn.

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04-07-2013, 11:28 AM
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Teams that offer up an underachiever themselves, and a player who's hurt for almost the rest of the season would have to also include some kind of prospect worth a damn.
Brassard is not an under-achiever. He's had 2 shoulder surgeries which slowed him down. He's also played for a terrible organization that is horrible at developing young talent. Keep in mind that his last year in Columbus, Rick Nash had turned into a 59 point guy which is laughable. You can't judge any young player on Columbus until that culture changes over there.

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04-07-2013, 11:33 AM
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Brassard is not an under-achiever. He's had 2 shoulder surgeries which slowed him down. He's also played for a terrible organization that is horrible at developing young talent. Keep in mind that his last year in Columbus, Rick Nash had turned into a 59 point guy which is laughable. You can't judge any young player on Columbus until that culture changes over there.
He's young, he still has time to grow, but he still underachieved with all the chances they gave him. Inconsistent was the overwhelming consensus by the BJ fans who offered their info.

I have to say I'm impressed with his faceoffs, I was told he was much worse, but all in all, its literally been 3 games so far.

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04-07-2013, 12:23 PM
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He's young, he still has time to grow, but he still underachieved with all the chances they gave him. Inconsistent was the overwhelming consensus by the BJ fans who offered their info.

I have to say I'm impressed with his faceoffs, I was told he was much worse, but all in all, its literally been 3 games so far.
Let me ask you this. Why on earth would you ever listen to a fan base of a team in Columbus who has never seen a team with any kind of supporting cast? Blue Jackets fans have only seen a team with about 4 legit talents on it the entire time that team has been there. I would not value their opinion.

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Let me ask you this. Why on earth would you ever listen to a fan base of a team in Columbus who has never seen a team with any kind of supporting cast? Blue Jackets fans have only seen a team with about 4 legit talents on it the entire time that team has been there. I would not value their opinion.
I trust people opinions who I've talked to for years on here.

You are a newbie

Seriously, its a combo of both watching the player over the years and peoples opinions I value since they've been on here with me for over a decade.

The kid was #6 overall. Does not matter what kind of crap a young player has to work with, if they're good, they shine regardless, and I'm not just pointing to stats. Most of these kids come from junior or college teams that were not made up of all stars yet they stand out, same thing happens in the pro game.

And welcome, you seem very opinionated for a new guy.

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Rewatching the game from last night, the one Carolina goal was kinda his fault, Boyle more so with the giveaway, but Brass was slow to get back. He tripped over the Carolina blueline when the play shifted the other way, he was the last one back, put all of his teammates into scramble mode, they couldn't cover Center ice in time.

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I trust people opinions who I've talked to for years on here.

You are a newbie

Seriously, its a combo of both watching the player over the years and peoples opinions I value since they've been on here with me for over a decade.

The kid was #6 overall. Does not matter what kind of crap a young player has to work with, if they're good, they shine regardless, and I'm not just pointing to stats. Most of these kids come from junior or college teams that were not made up of all stars yet they stand out, same thing happens in the pro game.

And welcome, you seem very opinionated for a new guy.
Some players take longer to develop. Brassard is not 35. Weren't the Sedin's good but not great players for a while? Let's give him a chance with a new team.

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04-07-2013, 12:56 PM
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Some players take longer to develop. Brassard is not 35. Weren't the Sedin's good but not great players for a while? Let's give him a chance with a new team.
First off, again, you can point to the Sedin's but I can point to way more players that were taken high and never became anything. Sedin's are the exception, not the rule.

Like comparing Mcilrath to Chara not developing into an all star by 25. That's nice, but how many big men end up being Chara? He's the exception, not the rule.

Sedin's did not set the world afire right away offensively(Dan Sedin did have 20 goals his rookie year though), but they both could play the other side of the game at the Pro level. Also, those Canuck teams didn't have much else besides Markus Naslund.

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Rewatching the game from last night, the one Carolina goal was kinda his fault, Boyle more so with the giveaway, but Brass was slow to get back. He tripped over the Carolina blueline when the play shifted the other way, he was the last one back, put all of his teammates into scramble mode, they couldn't cover Center ice in time.
Boyle made an asinine decision with that cross ice pass and admitted it was "his fault" after the game and even apologized to Lundqvist. Hard to pin that on Brassard. That was an awful decision by BB.

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04-07-2013, 01:23 PM
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Boyle made an asinine decision with that cross ice pass and admitted it was "his fault" after the game and even apologized to Lundqvist. Hard to pin that on Brassard. That was an awful decision by BB.
Not pinning it on him, it was Boyle's idiotic pass to begin with, just saying, the goal came from the high slot, thats the Centerman's defensive position in that scenario. Everyone else got back but Brassard, who would've been back had he not fallen, then slow to get up. If that's the case I guess I could lay some blame on Marques's sharping technique too

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not pinning it on him, it was boyle's idiotic pass to begin with, just saying, the goal came from the high slot, thats the centerman's defensive position in that scenario. Everyone else got back but brassard, who would've been back had he not fallen, then slow to get up. If that's the case i guess i could lay some blame on marques's sharping technique too
It's all the equipment manager's fault, because tortorella can't even coach him right.

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04-07-2013, 01:49 PM
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It's all the equipment manager's fault, because tortorella can't even coach him right.
He knows what he did.

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I hope Brassard doesn't fight again, it usually ends with injury. In one fight as a Jacket he ended up with a dislocated shoulder and was out for months. But in his last one below he did pretty well. Funny about the commentators who argue whether a player like Brassard should fight or not.


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04-07-2013, 02:15 PM
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I really like him, especially on the powerplay. Like someone (Ola?) perfectly analyzed: one of the biggest issues with our failing PP was that we hardly have someone who can handle the puck under pressure. Brassard can definitely do that. He can also pass pretty damn good and carry the puck, so he really gives our offense some much needed skill (that Gaborik did not provide).

On defense however, I'm not quite sold on him yet. I think he really needs to be paired with defensively sound wingers. So having him with Hangs and Boyle isn't the worst idea.

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Okay. What about the fact that of our 3rd and 4th line, only Boyle (3), Anisimov (3), Fedotenko (2) and Prust (1) scored for us. That's only 9 goals of our total 43 in the play-offs. That's just not enough. That's only 20% of our total scoring coming from our 3rd and 4th line. I feel more confident with this team we have. Time will tell, but we have a much more balanced team.
Like I said I didn't disagree with him I just disagree with the idea that 1 PO series exposes or proves something like this. Thats what 82+ games do.

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Neither do I. He does not have a poor hockey IQ no matter what some want to espouse on here (that looks like no more than something made up to suit an agenda).
People do this on here but I don't think anyone has an agenda against Brassard. I do think some in this thread like Sting and Blue have made up their minds for legitamate reasons and they are perhaps too adamant about asserting their predicitions when there is a lot of room for development with brassard still. There are good reasons to be low on him but there are equally good reasons to be hopeful. Sting, BN what say you? Hidden agendas?


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First off, again, you can point to the Sedin's but I can point to way more players that were taken high and never became anything. Sedin's are the exception, not the rule.

Like comparing Mcilrath to Chara not developing into an all star by 25. That's nice, but how many big men end up being Chara? He's the exception, not the rule.

Sedin's did not set the world afire right away offensively(Dan Sedin did have 20 goals his rookie year though), but they both could play the other side of the game at the Pro level. Also, those Canuck teams didn't have much else besides Markus Naslund.
Why are you going out of your way to come up with reasons he'll never become anything instead of trying to be optimistic? Are you rooting against the guy?

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I know Brassard pretty well. A few of things: Yes, his shoulders have hurt him a lot. He admits it privately. He is not very emotionally strong. Hitchcock got on him a little bit and he went in the tank. If Torts even starts to get on him a little bit, trust me, Brassard will puke. He has natural talent but will start squeezing the stick with any adversity and then he is bad. You will see it - everything he does will be about 1/4 step behind. He will over-think and then not let natural talent and instinct run their course. He would be the best guy ever for a pickup game. With no pressure, I am sincere when I say he could be an all-star. Seriously, climb off the plane and lace them up...he didn't know what was going on and he has 4 points. That's Brass naturally. Unfortunately, "no pressure" is impossible - especially in New York with your coach. He does like Nash a lot and hopefully Nash can protect him. He does like attention and is cocky but please, to the coaching staff - don't yell at him. The more he learns the system, the worse he will get because he wants to be perfect and he wants to make the coach happy - - all of that causes him to be 1/4 step behind - every pass, every shot, every move is just a little late causing him to be a 15/25 guy instead of a 25 / 45 guy which he could be.

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I know Brassard pretty well. A few of things: Yes, his shoulders have hurt him a lot. He admits it privately. He is not very emotionally strong. Hitchcock got on him a little bit and he went in the tank. If Torts even starts to get on him a little bit, trust me, Brassard will puke. He has natural talent but will start squeezing the stick with any adversity and then he is bad. You will see it - everything he does will be about 1/4 step behind. He will over-think and then not let natural talent and instinct run their course. He would be the best guy ever for a pickup game. With no pressure, I am sincere when I say he could be an all-star. Seriously, climb off the plane and lace them up...he didn't know what was going on and he has 4 points. That's Brass naturally. Unfortunately, "no pressure" is impossible - especially in New York with your coach. He does like Nash a lot and hopefully Nash can protect him. He does like attention and is cocky but please, to the coaching staff - don't yell at him. The more he learns the system, the worse he will get because he wants to be perfect and he wants to make the coach happy - - all of that causes him to be 1/4 step behind - every pass, every shot, every move is just a little late causing him to be a 15/25 guy instead of a 25 / 45 guy which he could be.
the cool thing is.. he shouldnt have any pressure being behind richards and stepan.. they will get more of the pressure if they dont score.. so hopefully that helps him and he plays to the strengths and skills you've mentioned.. its a totally different ball game when your playing in columbus when you are one of the guys to have to get things done vs. coming here playing behind them..

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I know Brassard pretty well. A few of things: Yes, his shoulders have hurt him a lot. He admits it privately. He is not very emotionally strong. Hitchcock got on him a little bit and he went in the tank. If Torts even starts to get on him a little bit, trust me, Brassard will puke. He has natural talent but will start squeezing the stick with any adversity and then he is bad. You will see it - everything he does will be about 1/4 step behind. He will over-think and then not let natural talent and instinct run their course. He would be the best guy ever for a pickup game. With no pressure, I am sincere when I say he could be an all-star. Seriously, climb off the plane and lace them up...he didn't know what was going on and he has 4 points. That's Brass naturally. Unfortunately, "no pressure" is impossible - especially in New York with your coach. He does like Nash a lot and hopefully Nash can protect him. He does like attention and is cocky but please, to the coaching staff - don't yell at him. The more he learns the system, the worse he will get because he wants to be perfect and he wants to make the coach happy - - all of that causes him to be 1/4 step behind - every pass, every shot, every move is just a little late causing him to be a 15/25 guy instead of a 25 / 45 guy which he could be.
Very interesting. Makes total sense for a guy who is 25, was picked 6th overall and was meant to be the first line center of an expansion franchise - if he also happens to be a sensitive soul.

The good news is that it's the sort of thing that can go away with maturity and a change of scenery. A reduction in pressure as the 3rd line guy, friends like Nash around and good locker room leadership can only help as well.

Of course, Torts's doghouse and the bright lights of NYC are a bit of a risk as well...

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Tortorella seems to have a good track record with developing and pushing young centers. Lecavalier, Richards, Prospal, Stepan, and to a certain extent Anisimov, Dubinsky, and Boyle. Im confident that he knows which buttons to push to get the best out of Brassard. I think thats why i like this acquisition so much. We get a back young, skilled center who hasn't hit his ceiling yet. Give him to Torts and have him mold him into a top 6 player.

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I know Brassard pretty well. A few of things: Yes, his shoulders have hurt him a lot. He admits it privately. He is not very emotionally strong. Hitchcock got on him a little bit and he went in the tank. If Torts even starts to get on him a little bit, trust me, Brassard will puke.
I know what you mean. If you watch that video above you'll see him crying because of a sore thumb. Not exactly a Torts kinda guy

Oh well, I guess he'll be fine, and become a good Ranger anyway.

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People do this on here but I don't think anyone has an agenda against Brassard. I do think some in this thread like Sting and Blue have made up their minds for legitamate reasons and they are perhaps too adamant about asserting their predicitions when there is a lot of room for development with brassard still. There are good reasons to be low on him but there are equally good reasons to be hopeful. Sting, BN what say you? Hidden agendas?
The agenda would be warping the facts to fit their view. I think it's pretty obvious that is what is going on, here. The guy is not a stupid player. His hockey sense is pretty damn good and he plays like he has eyes in the back of his head.

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