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DD has too and should be moved this summer for a piece we need DD as a second center on team will be in demand thisd summer and at just over 3 m still pretty cheap for a second center

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And what is his role?

His role is to be an offensive-minded player and PP specialist.
That's where i got a problem. With all his PP time and the best offensive wingers and all those Ozone start......he should be running the show offensively.

That is his role.

But on the PP he create next to nothing, Eller produce as many points with 20 minutes of PP instead of 95 for DD. Is he playing his role well?

Our 2-way center Plekanec, who is facing top opposition night afeter night, who supposed to be our shutdown line.....he's better than DD offensively right now. Is he playing his role well?

Nevermind the fact that our 3rd line center (who is playing with Armstrong, Dumont, Moen and Prust) is almost right up there with DD offensively.

DD is not bad offensively, actually he is allright....but should be better than Plekanec with all the advantages that he got, he should be WAY better than Eller also.....but he is not.

So because of that, i wouldn't say that DD is playing his role well!
Not this year at least
I love how you conveniently leave Galchenyuk off your list for Eller's wingers. Galchenyuk has almost as many points as Eller, Desharnais, and Gallagher.

Also, Gallagher is not a better offensive player than Michael Ryder. Let's be real here.

DD isn't the only one not producing on the powerplay, yet I don't see threads and threads on those players. Why do you hate Desharnais so much when he's signed to such a reasonable contract? Is it just because he's taking ice-time from Eller?

One thing I would be interested in doing is splitting up Desharnais and Pacioretty though. Pacioretty and DD just aren't clicking right now. Usually when that line creates offense, it's DD and Gallagher or Pacioretty and the defense. They are also terrible defensively (all three of them) because they are always too deep.

When Bourque returns, I'd love to see;

Pacioretty - Plekanec - Ryder
Bourque - Desharnais - Gallagher
Galchenyuk - Eller - Gionta
Prust - Halpern - White/Moen

But I guess we'll see.

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DD has too and should be moved this summer for a piece we need DD as a second center on team will be in demand thisd summer and at just over 3 m still pretty cheap for a second center
Desharnais is going nowhere this summer. Maybe in future years, who knows. But he'll be a Hab next season, no doubt about it. There's no law against having depth at center.

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DD has too and should be moved this summer for a piece we need DD as a second center on team will be in demand thisd summer and at just over 3 m still pretty cheap for a second center
If we can package him for an upgrade, I wouldn't say no.

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If we can package him for an upgrade, I wouldn't say no.
If we can package _______ for an upgrade, I wouldn't say no.

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If we can package _______ for an upgrade, I wouldn't say no.
True, but if we can fill a need, perhaps a top 4 shutdown D like gorges to help the backend I wouldn't oppose to trading Desharnais. I think that's a need for us.

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A team like st louis could be looking for offense this summer a package including DD for someone like C Stewart could happen

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A team like st louis could be looking for offense this summer a package including DD for someone like C Stewart could happen
Stewart is leading team in points, if they need offense, why would they trade him?

Besides, they have Berglund, Oshie, Backes, Macdonald, etc... who could play center. Don't think DD is a need for them.

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A team like st louis could be looking for offense this summer a package including DD for someone like C Stewart could happen
If you want Stewart, it's going to cost you Plekanec.

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If you want Stewart, it's going to cost you Plekanec.
What if I wanted Pietrangelo and Tarasenko?

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What if I wanted Pietrangelo and Tarasenko?
Subban and Gallagher.

I know you're being a smartass, but even as a big Desharnais fan, you'd have to add a lot to that package to get Stewart. And seeing how little Habs fans wanted to move at the deadline, I doubt they'd want to add anything of value.

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If we can package him for an upgrade, I wouldn't say no.
Only way Desharnais is moved is if it's for a 'Jason Pominville' or a 'Derek Brassard' type player.

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Only way Desharnais is moved is if it's for a 'Jason Pominville' or a 'Derek Brassard' type player.
Gaston Therrien would go crazy.

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macdonald is injured half the time, someone like a david perron then, wasn t he offered around not that long ago. He d look good on line with Eller or Chucky. Macdonald is a UFA at years end and he s making 4.7m.

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macdonald is injured half the time, someone like a david perron then, wasn t he offered around not that long ago. He d look good on line with Eller or Chucky. Macdonald is a UFA at years end and he s making 4.7m.
Would you trade Perron to obtain DD?

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I love how you conveniently leave Galchenyuk off your list for Eller's wingers. Galchenyuk has almost as many points as Eller, Desharnais, and Gallagher.

Also, Gallagher is not a better offensive player than Michael Ryder. Let's be real here.

DD isn't the only one not producing on the powerplay, yet I don't see threads and threads on those players. Why do you hate Desharnais so much when he's signed to such a reasonable contract? Is it just because he's taking ice-time from Eller?

One thing I would be interested in doing is splitting up Desharnais and Pacioretty though. Pacioretty and DD just aren't clicking right now. Usually when that line creates offense, it's DD and Gallagher or Pacioretty and the defense. They are also terrible defensively (all three of them) because they are always too deep.

When Bourque returns, I'd love to see;

Pacioretty - Plekanec - Ryder
Bourque - Desharnais - Gallagher
Galchenyuk - Eller - Gionta
Prust - Halpern - White/Moen

But I guess we'll see.
Such a reasonnable contract?
His contract is no reason to keep him or not IMO.
Gionta as been as bad on the PP and Galchy should have his place, i never said otherwise.

Althought i think that Eller would be better and more useful than Desharnais right now, in the end we talk about Galchenyuk's spot. I'm pretty sure that Eller can produce as much than DD right now, and that would open the door to put Chucky back at center on the 3rd line getting some Ozone start. Long term, it is really important that Galchy get center experience and the advantage DD's line got right now, that's the only way he would get better.

I would agree to leave DD where he is if he was on the pace of a 55-60pts season.
That's what a player with his quality ice-time should get to be effective (at least for a player with no other dimension to his game). But he is not.....and Eller and Galchy are having great season. It's not like we don't have any other option.

With Kristo, Collberg and Hudon now in Hamilton....if we need them.....we should get some size down the middle AND on the other wing to help them blossom.

You've made a line-up.....here's another one:

Bourque - Plekanec - Ryder (2-way line, can be put in any type of situation)
Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Gallagher (Offensive line, Ozone start and PP specialist)
Prust - Eller - Gionta/Collberg (2 way-line, grit and offensive output, can be put in any type of situation)

Only one small player a line.
6 players of our top 9 over 6'
Finally some size down the middle.
Plus these 3 centers for less than 10 millions combines.
Best offensive player on the offensive line
2 great 2-way line.
If Collberg or Kristo is ready, we can put them on any of these line without making it a too small line.



Tell me.....would this kind of line-up be a problem?
IMO, this is a line-up who cannot be just great, but totally dominating.
And Finally, the smurf era will finally comes to an end.

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Only one small player a line.
6 players of our top 9 over 6'
Finally some size down the middle.
Plus these 3 centers for less than 10 millions combines.
Best offensive player on the offensive line
2 great 2-way line.
If Collberg or Kristo is ready, we can put them on any of these line without making it a too small line.



Tell me.....would this kind of line-up be a problem?
IMO, this is a line-up who cannot be just great, but totally dominating.
And Finally, the smurf era will finally comes to an end.
5 millions for a 3rd liner = fail.

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Such a reasonnable contract?
His contract is no reason to keep him or not IMO.
Gionta as been as bad on the PP and Galchy should have his place, i never said otherwise.

Althought i think that Eller would be better and more useful than Desharnais right now, in the end we talk about Galchenyuk's spot. I'm pretty sure that Eller can produce as much than DD right now, and that would open the door to put Chucky back at center on the 3rd line getting some Ozone start. Long term, it is really important that Galchy get center experience and the advantage DD's line got right now, that's the only way he would get better.

I would agree to leave DD where he is if he was on the pace of a 55-60pts season.
That's what a player with his quality ice-time should get to be effective (at least for a player with no other dimension to his game). But he is not.....and Eller and Galchy are having great season. It's not like we don't have any other option.

With Kristo, Collberg and Hudon now in Hamilton....if we need them.....we should get some size down the middle AND on the other wing to help them blossom.

You've made a line-up.....here's another one:

Bourque - Plekanec - Ryder (2-way line, can be put in any type of situation)
Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Gallagher (Offensive line, Ozone start and PP specialist)
Prust - Eller - Gionta/Collberg (2 way-line, grit and offensive output, can be put in any type of situation)

Only one small player a line.
6 players of our top 9 over 6'
Finally some size down the middle.
Plus these 3 centers for less than 10 millions combines.
Best offensive player on the offensive line
2 great 2-way line.
If Collberg or Kristo is ready, we can put them on any of these line without making it a too small line.



Tell me.....would this kind of line-up be a problem?
IMO, this is a line-up who cannot be just great, but totally dominating.
And Finally, the smurf era will finally comes to an end.
Collberg isn't ready to make the NHL, besides he will likely play another year or two in Frolunda before coming here full time. Desharnais is pretty much safe for 2 years counting this one until Chuckie is ready. After that who knows what will happen, we're in no rush to get rid of him.

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Such a reasonnable contract?
His contract is no reason to keep him or not IMO.
Gionta as been as bad on the PP and Galchy should have his place, i never said otherwise.

Althought i think that Eller would be better and more useful than Desharnais right now, in the end we talk about Galchenyuk's spot. I'm pretty sure that Eller can produce as much than DD right now, and that would open the door to put Chucky back at center on the 3rd line getting some Ozone start. Long term, it is really important that Galchy get center experience and the advantage DD's line got right now, that's the only way he would get better.

I would agree to leave DD where he is if he was on the pace of a 55-60pts season.
That's what a player with his quality ice-time should get to be effective (at least for a player with no other dimension to his game). But he is not.....and Eller and Galchy are having great season. It's not like we don't have any other option.

With Kristo, Collberg and Hudon now in Hamilton....if we need them.....we should get some size down the middle AND on the other wing to help them blossom.

You've made a line-up.....here's another one:

Bourque - Plekanec - Ryder (2-way line, can be put in any type of situation)
Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Gallagher (Offensive line, Ozone start and PP specialist)
Prust - Eller - Gionta/Collberg (2 way-line, grit and offensive output, can be put in any type of situation)

Only one small player a line.
6 players of our top 9 over 6'
Finally some size down the middle.
Plus these 3 centers for less than 10 millions combines.
Best offensive player on the offensive line
2 great 2-way line.
If Collberg or Kristo is ready, we can put them on any of these line without making it a too small line.



Tell me.....would this kind of line-up be a problem?
IMO, this is a line-up who cannot be just great, but totally dominating.
And Finally, the smurf era will finally comes to an end.
And Hudon, Collberg haven't signed an NHL contract...

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Such a reasonnable contract?
Um...yeah. He's marketable and can be traded with his contract so yes, that makes it reasonable.

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You've made a line-up.....here's another one:

Bourque - Plekanec - Ryder (2-way line, can be put in any type of situation)
Pacioretty - Galchenyuk - Gallagher (Offensive line, Ozone start and PP specialist)
Prust - Eller - Gionta/Collberg (2 way-line, grit and offensive output, can be put in any type of situation)

Tell me.....would this kind of line-up be a problem?
IMO, this is a line-up who cannot be just great, but totally dominating.
And Finally, the smurf era will finally comes to an end.
Umm...yes. Galch's line will not be dominating specially in the playoffs simply because I and probably the coaching team and maybe even a lot of us here don't think he's ready yet. Way too much pressure for an 18yr kid who will get murdered out there by the other teams best defensive players. And what does DD do, sit in the box? Seriously? Going into the playoffs you take him out and sit him in the box? What ever for? The points he gets don't grow on trees unless of course you think he has absolutely nothing to do with the points he gets and that they are all due to him following the coattails of others.

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And Hudon, Collberg haven't signed an NHL contract...
You shouldn't bring reality to him. It's mean to shatter his dreams and hopes.

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Well, i should have said that my kind of line up wasn't for this year.
It was something more for next year. (And assuming Ryder was in....which i think he will)

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5 millions for a 3rd liner = fail.
Last year of his contract.

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Collberg isn't ready to make the NHL, besides he will likely play another year or two in Frolunda before coming here full time. Desharnais is pretty much safe for 2 years counting this one until Chuckie is ready. After that who knows what will happen, we're in no rush to get rid of him.
Collberg was playing already with men in Swiss.
Way higher competition than the junior and better than the AHL.

Gallagher did only play 30ish games in the AHL before steping up big time in the NHL.
I wouldn't be surprise to see Collberg do the same.

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He will, pretty sure......

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Umm...yes. Galch's line will not be dominating specially in the playoffs simply because I and probably the coaching team and maybe even a lot of us here don't think he's ready yet. Way too much pressure for an 18yr kid who will get murdered out there by the other teams best defensive players. And what does DD do, sit in the box? Seriously? Going into the playoffs you take him out and sit him in the box? What ever for? The points he gets don't grow on trees unless of course you think he has absolutely nothing to do with the points he gets and that they are all due to him following the coattails of others.
My bad here, i really thought for next year.
Not stupid enough to change anything for this year....or eventually middle of next year.

Well when Galchy turn 20 (He's 19 by the way)
After a 80-100 games in NHL, we should place him where he belongs.

Max Pacioretty didn't get better by staying on a 3rd line with limited ice time.....

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Well, i should have said that my kind of line up wasn't for this year.
It was something more for next year. (And assuming Ryder was in....which i think he will)



Last year of his contract.



Collberg was playing already with men in Swiss.
Way higher competition than the junior and better than the AHL.

Gallagher did only play 30ish games in the AHL before steping up big time in the NHL.
I wouldn't be surprise to see Collberg do the same.



He will, pretty sure......



My bad here, i really thought for next year.
Not stupid enough to change anything for this year....or eventually middle of next year.

Well when Galchy turn 20 (He's 19 by the way)
After a 80-100 games in NHL, we should place him where he belongs.

Max Pacioretty didn't get better by staying on a 3rd line with limited ice time.....
Collberg was playing in the SEL, that's the Swedish Elite League. I thank god that you're not the GM of this franchise and rushing our prospects into the NHL. The SEL is a great place to let our Swedish players develop and as I said before Collberg will likely stay for another year or two. Hudon will go back to the Q next year, stop with this urgency to trade Desharnais. Galchenyuk is the future of this team and until he's ready you won't see any of our centers being traded. Max Pacioretty was used on a 3rd line in a Carbonneau system which didn't fit him well. MT is better at developping prospects and he's going to do a great job with Chuckie.

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Well, i should have said that my kind of line up wasn't for this year.
It was something more for next year. (And assuming Ryder was in....which i think he will)



Last year of his contract.



Collberg was playing already with men in Swiss.
Way higher competition than the junior and better than the AHL.

Gallagher did only play 30ish games in the AHL before steping up big time in the NHL.
I wouldn't be surprise to see Collberg do the same.



He will, pretty sure......



My bad here, i really thought for next year.
Not stupid enough to change anything for this year....or eventually middle of next year.

Well when Galchy turn 20 (He's 19 by the way)
After a 80-100 games in NHL, we should place him where he belongs.

Max Pacioretty didn't get better by staying on a 3rd line with limited ice time.....
Hudon, Collberg aren't at the same development stage as Gallagher was when he came here. Next year Collberg will have alot more responsibilities in Frolunda and more playing time. He just turned 19 and Hudon is 18 years old and you already want to plug them in the NHL?

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DD production after the extension:

12gp 1 goal 5 assist 6 points +1

20+ shifts game, PP time, best wingers on the team.

Im sure MB expect better ( DD as well ), let's hope he gonna be better down the stretch and in the playoffs.

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DD production after the extension:

12gp 1 goal 5 assist 6 points +1

20+ shifts game, PP time, best wingers on the team.

Im sure MB expect better ( DD as well ), let's hope he gonna be better down the stretch and in the playoffs.
My only argument is "best wingers on the team". Was cole worst winger when he sucked? Was Gallagher the best when he was with galchenyuk?

Pacioretty is legit though, no doubt . Gallagher is awesome too but just annoying a bit.

0.5 ppg in a slump is fine. Still, you're right, he has to be better. I have no issue giving him a little tough love. Probably holding stick too tight, not doing well on his chances. He's gotta relax and do what got him success.

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