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04-07-2013, 07:45 PM
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Always take the BPA. Not the right thread I agree, but I would take Jones if he was available.

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It was in the future watch magazine. Ill find a link

Edit: I can not find a link, since it is in a magazine. But it's on the pages where they are talking about some players booming and some busting. And it pulls it out of the page with a picture of feaster and Weisbrod and it says something like "Flames management said that there was players taken in the first round of the 2012 Draft that they wouldn't have taken in any round"
Makes sense then why they would trade down to get Jankowski.

They can't butcher it up this year though. They have to get a center IMO.

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Exactly. I read in The Hockey News that feaster said there was players chose in the first round of the 2012 Draft that they wouldn't of taken in any round..
I just have an odd feeling that a player not named in the top 5 (Lindholm) is who we call with the 3 overall pick or whatever we end up with
If the Flames take Lindholm with one of Barkov, Mackinnon, Jones and Drouin available I will lose it. Thats ridiculous, I mean he is a good player but he isnt generational like those 4. Please Feaster.
Also could Feaster somehow make a big move to nab Lindholm while still keeping out top 5?

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you guys gotta relax with the lindholm rumors

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Would any have a problem with flames taking Drouin over MacKinnon ?

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Makes sense then why they would trade down to get Jankowski.

They can't butcher it up this year though. They have to get a center IMO.
I agree there is too much talent available that we better take a guaranteed good player, not a longshot.
Wouldn't that be lovely if they were right about Jankowski though. Put 20-30 pounds on him and with his hands he could be a top end player.

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04-07-2013, 08:59 PM
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Would any have a problem with flames taking Drouin over MacKinnon ?
If you go to the 2nd page of this thread you may find your answer.

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04-07-2013, 09:02 PM
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Would any have a problem with flames taking Drouin over MacKinnon ?
I would. We really need a center, ergo you take MacKinnon.

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Would any have a problem with flames taking Drouin over MacKinnon ?
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What about the rumours of Mackinnon switching to LW though?

in my scenario i wrote up i stopped and thought about Mackinnon and Druin for a whiiile, i havent seen either play a whole lot so i guess i cant make that much of a decision, but watching highlights of Druin ive just favoured him a lot.

I also reaaally want Monahan, so i figured if we end up with one of Druin/Mackinnon and move up to snag Monahan, it would be better to take Druin.

Few years down the road if all pans out, it would be nice to see something like;

Druin - Monahan - Clarkson
Baertschi - Backlund - Hudler
Glencross - Jankowski - Gaudreau

Giordano - Wideman
Wotherspoon - Brodie
Cundari - Butler

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04-07-2013, 09:35 PM
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What about the rumours of Mackinnon switching to LW though?
Does someone have a link where this is actually happening. Or is it constructed from analysts beliefs?

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04-07-2013, 09:38 PM
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Does someone have a link where this is actually happening. Or is it constructed from analysts beliefs?
I believe it's the latter..

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Does someone have a link where this is actually happening. Or is it constructed from analysts beliefs?
a number of people believe he will be a RW in the NHL because he has only been a centre for 2 years and doesn't have the size to endure thr rigors of being a #1 centre

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04-07-2013, 10:00 PM
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Trades: Trade Tanguay or Cammy and maybe someone like Ferland to make it balanced, to Columbus for the Rangers pick which is the 16th or 17th pick in the draft.

Then trade the Tangs or Cammy, whichever one wasn't traded to Columbus to Boston for their first round pick straight up. If it is Cammy then we would prob have to eat some salary and in that case maybe throw an -owski prospect in there, So basically...

Calgary gets: 17th Overall

Columbus gets: Cammy/Tangs and Ferland

Calgary Gets: 26th Overall

Boston Gets: Cammy/Tangs (If Cammy eat salary for an -owski)

Draft:
Mackinnon, Pulock, Erne/Gauthier, Mueller, Lekhonen

Resign:
Backlund 2 years 2.5M per
McGrattan 2 years 1M per
Byron 1 year 650k per
Begin 1 year 800k per
Brodie 3 years 3-4 M per
Butler 2 years 1.15M per
MacDonald 1 year 1.5M per
Ramo 1 year 3M

Free Agents:
Iginla 1 Year 5M (if he doesn't win the cup), 3 Years 5M per (If he wins the cup)
Roy 4 Years 6M
Regher/Lydman 2 Year, 2.5M

Propects making the jump:
Baertschi, Reinhart because he is a natural center who can hopefully win some draws, Ramo/Berra do they count as prospects? Bouma/Aliu physical young guys,

Line-up

FORWARDS
Curtis Glencross ($2.550m) / Derek Roy ($6.000m) / Jarome Iginla ($5.000m)
Jiri Hudler ($4.000m) / Mikael Backlund ($0.761m) / Lee Stempniak ($2.500m)
Sven Baertschi ($1.425m)/ Matt Stajan ($3.500m) / Akim Aliu ($0.730m)
Lance Bouma ($0.578m) / Max Reinhart ($0.870m) / Brian McGrattan ($1.000m)
Roman Horak ($0.800m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Dennis Wideman ($5.250m) / Mark Giordano ($4.020m)
T.J. Brodie ($4.000m) / Robyn Regehr ($2.500m)
Cory Sarich ($2.000m) / Chris Butler ($1.200m)
GOALTENDERS
Joey MacDonald ($1.500m)
Karri Ramo ($3.000m)
Reto Berra ($1.650m)

Now I am not sure how my proposals are, if they are too biased I will change them or if I undervalued the players then I may change accordingly. I mean this is supposed to be a deep draft so I don't see teams giving up their First's that easily.

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04-07-2013, 10:10 PM
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Trades: Trade Tanguay or Cammy and maybe someone like Ferland to make it balanced, to Columbus for the Rangers pick which is the 16th or 17th pick in the draft.

Then trade the Tangs or Cammy, whichever one wasn't traded to Columbus to Boston for their first round pick straight up. If it is Cammy then we would prob have to eat some salary and in that case maybe throw an -owski prospect in there, So basically...

Calgary gets: 17th Overall

Columbus gets: Cammy/Tangs and Ferland

Calgary Gets: 26th Overall

Boston Gets: Cammy/Tangs (If Cammy eat salary for an -owski)

Draft:
Mackinnon, Pulock, Erne/Gauthier, Mueller, Lekhonen

Resign:
Backlund 2 years 2.5M per
McGrattan 2 years 1M per
Byron 1 year 650k per
Begin 1 year 800k per
Brodie 3 years 3-4 M per
Butler 2 years 1.15M per
MacDonald 1 year 1.5M per
Ramo 1 year 3M

Free Agents:
Iginla 1 Year 5M (if he doesn't win the cup), 3 Years 5M per (If he wins the cup)
Roy 4 Years 6M
Regher/Lydman 2 Year, 2.5M

Propects making the jump:
Baertschi, Reinhart because he is a natural center who can hopefully win some draws, Ramo/Berra do they count as prospects? Bouma/Aliu physical young guys,

Line-up

FORWARDS
Curtis Glencross ($2.550m) / Derek Roy ($6.000m) / Jarome Iginla ($5.000m)
Jiri Hudler ($4.000m) / Mikael Backlund ($0.761m) / Lee Stempniak ($2.500m)
Sven Baertschi ($1.425m)/ Matt Stajan ($3.500m) / Akim Aliu ($0.730m)
Lance Bouma ($0.578m) / Max Reinhart ($0.870m) / Brian McGrattan ($1.000m)
Roman Horak ($0.800m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Dennis Wideman ($5.250m) / Mark Giordano ($4.020m)
T.J. Brodie ($4.000m) / Robyn Regehr ($2.500m)
Cory Sarich ($2.000m) / Chris Butler ($1.200m)
GOALTENDERS
Joey MacDonald ($1.500m)
Karri Ramo ($3.000m)
Reto Berra ($1.650m)

Now I am not sure how my proposals are, if they are too biased I will change them or if I undervalued the players then I may change accordingly. I mean this is supposed to be a deep draft so I don't see teams giving up their First's that easily.
Would you trade our 1st round draft picks for players like Cammy and Tangs? Other teams won't either.

Roy will have his pick of teams, I doubt he picks a team like the Flames.

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04-07-2013, 10:11 PM
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a number of people believe he will be a RW in the NHL because he has only been a centre for 2 years and doesn't have the size to endure thr rigors of being a #1 centre
RW works for us as well. If RNH can be a center so can Mackinnon.

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04-07-2013, 10:16 PM
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People seem to be adding Ferland into a lot of deals and I think that would be a big mistake. I see him turning into a very effective 3rd/4th line player similar to Prust.

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Would you trade our 1st round draft picks for players like Cammy and Tangs? Other teams won't either.

Roy will have his pick of teams, I doubt he picks a team like the Flames.
If I'm a team like Boston who wants to compete and maybe add some secondary scoring then I think yeah why not give a late first for a player like Tanguay. I'll admit I thought the Columbus trade was a bit iffy in terms of where Columbus is but it seems to me they want to compete for a playoff spot next year, otherwise what's the point of acquiring Gaborik who is 31?

With regards to Roy, I thought the 6M was a bit of an over payment, I guess I was wrong there. I think Calgary will go hard at one of the centers out there this FA and I could see us over paying to get one of them and honestly I wouldn't blame them.

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a number of people believe he will be a RW in the NHL because he has only been a centre for 2 years and doesn't have the size to endure thr rigors of being a #1 centre
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RW works for us as well. If RNH can be a center so can Mackinnon.
I agree with Hudlinator. If Stamkos, Kadri, Ribeiro, RNH & Duchene can play center in the NHL, MacKinnon should be fine.

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If I'm a team like Boston who wants to compete and maybe add some secondary scoring then I think yeah why not give a late first for a player like Tanguay. I'll admit I thought the Columbus trade was a bit iffy in terms of where Columbus is but it seems to me they want to compete for a playoff spot next year, otherwise what's the point of acquiring Gaborik who is 31?
The problem with Cammalleri is twofold. For one, his cap hit of 6M is awfully high for a season where the cap goes down by 6M. Secondly, his actual salary of 7M will put off a lot of potential buyers as well.

Now, if the Flames were willing to retain some of his salary, they might be able to garner a first. But if they weren't willing to do it with Bouwmeester, they won't do it with Cammalleri.

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With regards to Roy, I thought the 6M was a bit of an over payment, I guess I was wrong there. I think Calgary will go hard at one of the centers out there this FA and I could see us over paying to get one of them and honestly I wouldn't blame them.
If any of Weiss, Ribeiro or Roy come to Calgary, I'll be surprised if it's for less than 6M per season. The only way they might be is if the contract's for 6 or more years. The Flames, as an organization just about to enter the beginning of what could be a lengthy rebuild, won't be an attractive destination for any quality free agents. The only thing they can offer is money, which they'll have to offer a lot of to convince free agents with options to come here.

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Call it a gut feeling, but Lombardi is gonna be back next season.

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RW works for us as well. If RNH can be a center so can Mackinnon.
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I agree with Hudlinator. If Stamkos, Kadri, Ribeiro, RNH & Duchene can play center in the NHL, MacKinnon should be fine.
I'm not saying I agree or disagree with those people that believe that. Just passing along info so the first guy to say it doesn't look like he is making it up.

That said I am EXTREMELY high on both Monahan and Gauthier. I would be willing to trade down (to 5th) to snag an extra first from Buffalo in order to land both.

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I'm not saying I agree or disagree with those people that believe that. Just passing along info so the first guy to say it doesn't look like he is making it up.

That said I am EXTREMELY high on both Monahan and Gauthier. I would be willing to trade down (to 5th) to snag an extra first from Buffalo in order to land both.
I'd have no problem taking him with the Blues 1st if its around the 18-22 mark. He's a prospect I REALLY want this team to get.

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There's starting to be a scary notion, that Calgary may end up 1st overall. As I predicted, Florida will win a few games.

Only Colorado, in a showdown of who's the worst in the league.

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The problem with Cammalleri is twofold. For one, his cap hit of 6M is awfully high for a season where the cap goes down by 6M. Secondly, his actual salary of 7M will put off a lot of potential buyers as well.

Now, if the Flames were willing to retain some of his salary, they might be able to garner a first. But if they weren't willing to do it with Bouwmeester, they won't do it with Cammalleri.



If any of Weiss, Ribeiro or Roy come to Calgary, I'll be surprised if it's for less than 6M per season. The only way they might be is if the contract's for 6 or more years. The Flames, as an organization just about to enter the beginning of what could be a lengthy rebuild, won't be an attractive destination for any quality free agents. The only thing they can offer is money, which they'll have to offer a lot of to convince free agents with options to come here.
I do agree with you, but what do you think Cammaleri could fetch if some salary is withheld? Is a 2013 late first round pick and a b prospect too much or a mid 2013 first round pick to much? What would need to be added if anything? I'm just curious so I can make better proposals in the future.

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