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04-07-2013, 10:33 PM
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I now understand why so many people loved Jacques Martin.

They did not understand how and why his approach to hockey was so horrible and inept.

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So strengths of our team are speed, depth in skilled forwards, great goalie,and having 3 PMD. Weaknesses include size, lack of elite scorer(s), and lack of physicality especially on D. So we have an aggressive style of play in that we have a 2 man forecheck and pretty much an all clear for our D-men to pinch. We roll 3 offensive type lines with each line having decent offensive skill. We also, when all healthy, were playing 5 D-men within a small band of TOI, like a 5 man top 4. This keeps the team fresher than theyd otherwise be and again, helps us use our speed both to attack but to also to get back onto the D when our higher risk kind of play doesn't work.

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lol he's like the John Madden of hockey media, but without the respect of previous success in the league.

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The system is less important than how the coach sold it and how he and Bergevins cultivated a new culture. It started with sending Gomez off the morning of the first day of the camp. It sent one hell of a mesage in that room and that message was. "We spent 10 million just to take out the dead wood and ice a better team." The Cole trade sent another message. "If you're not part of the solution you're the problem!" The fact that it was an amazing trade helped a lot. They also treated pretty much everybody on equal footing with ice time and that help keep the guys in line. Gomez ice time last year is pretty much what destroyed the room. At some point a team just give up on a coach who insist on playing a guy who was literally a black hole of productivity. How many time did they broke a line that was getting some chemistry to get Gomez going last year? I don't blame Jaques Martin for this I think he had orders from upstair to get Gomez going no matter what so they could try and flip the guy. That the kind of situation that fester quickly and kudos for Bergevins to recognize the danger and make sure that this season if you want to play more earn it.

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When habs have the puck all 5 guys are on offense, when habs don't have the puck all 5 guys are on defense

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04-08-2013, 12:23 AM
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Therriens system:

Speedy 1st line
Speedy 2nd line
Speedy 3rd line
Speedy/Gritty 4th line
Speedy Puck Moving Dman

Roll all four lines at full speed, aggressive puck pursuit and have your D pinch in the offensive zone.

This is pretty much the Habs system.
The key factor is speed, and using that speed to wear out bigger/ slower teams. However, speedy usually means smaller players, so you'll notice that when the Habs hang back (trying to protect a lead) they get outmatched physically and have trouble getting out of their zone.

Since this high tempo system is very taxing on your players you need to roll 4 lines to be effective. That's why you never see the habs get bigger slower players or goons... they just don't fit in the system.

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04-08-2013, 12:36 AM
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Therriens system:

Speedy 1st line
Speedy 2nd line
Speedy 3rd line
Speedy/Gritty 4th line
Speedy Puck Moving Dman

Roll all four lines at full speed, aggressive puck pursuit and have your D pinch in the offensive zone.

This is pretty much the Habs system.
The key factor is speed, and using that speed to wear out bigger/ slower teams. However, speedy usually means smaller players, so you'll notice that when the Habs hang back (trying to protect a lead) they get outmatched physically and have trouble getting out of their zone.

Since this high tempo system is very taxing on your players you need to roll 4 lines to be effective.
That's why you never see the habs get bigger slower players or goons... they just don't fit in the system.
I don't know about that theory. Therrien's 4th liners have averaged about 10min/g, pretty much in line with most teams in the NHL. It's true that the few teams with multiple knuckle draggers (the Leafs) are less balanced... but most are similar to the Habs, where there is still a clear difference in ice time between the lines. I wouldn't call it rolling 4 lines.


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Defensively it's a bit of a high risk system as we basically swarm the puck and always outnumber the opposition around it, leaving players open on the other wing. It's a bit reminiscent of the Guy Boucher system in the D zone.

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In the D zone I find ideally the C and puck side D work the boards, while the puck side winger covers his opposing D. The far D for the habs is playing the near post to cut off the lane to the net and behind the net and the far winger is responsible for the front of the net.

This often leads the far opposing D uncovered but I'm guessing MT is banking on speed and shot blocking.

Offensively was pretty well laid out by others 2 man forecheck with a cycle and 2 pass options.

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During a conversation over pre-game dinner in the media lounge, my man Arpon Basu, who covers the Canadiens for NHL.com, was saying Michel Therrien does not try to match lines during games. The Canadiens’ coach focuses on situations when he makes his line changes. As an example, Basu pointed out that David Desharnais would not be sent out to take a faceoff in the defensive zone.

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Therriens system:

Speedy 1st line
Speedy 2nd line
Speedy 3rd line
Speedy/Gritty 4th line
Speedy Puck Moving Dman

Roll all four lines at full speed, aggressive puck pursuit and have your D pinch in the offensive zone.

This is pretty much the Habs system.
The key factor is speed, and using that speed to wear out bigger/ slower teams. However, speedy usually means smaller players, so you'll notice that when the Habs hang back (trying to protect a lead) they get outmatched physically and have trouble getting out of their zone.

Since this high tempo system is very taxing on your players you need to roll 4 lines to be effective. That's why you never see the habs get bigger slower players or goons... they just don't fit in the system.

This system has only been around for a little over 3 months.

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In the D zone I find ideally the C and puck side D work the boards, while the puck side winger covers his opposing D. The far D for the habs is playing the near post to cut off the lane to the net and behind the net and the far winger is responsible for the front of the net.

This often leads the far opposing D uncovered but I'm guessing MT is banking on speed and shot blocking.

Offensively was pretty well laid out by others 2 man forecheck with a cycle and 2 pass options.

This is bang on, whenever you see that open dman get a pass one of our wingers are on him right away, and if they don't get out in time they almost all seem to be good at blocking the shot, the speed with which gallagher gets out to his dman is impressive, same goes for prust he isn't quite as fast but he is really good at blocking the point shot. These are things we didn't have from our wingers last year, the only line we really got anything from on wing was patches/cole and neigher guy was known for their d or shot blocking. I think we've gotten better at the wing position this year

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There is alot of theories here about Montreal's system. There are a few important things that Montreal does do every game.

1) They use a heavy fore check system where they committ two forwards deep into the opponents side.

2) Use their speed to make quick counters to create 2on1's which happens quite frequently against a slow defense.

3) When an opponent is in their end, they swarm the puck carrier. They are not afraid to commit all 5 players to one side and battle for the puck.

4) On the penalty kill, if you look closely, Montreal unlike in the past, will send both their defenseman to fight for the puck on the boards. Which sounds risky, but when you consider they are the best players for battling pucks on the boards on their end, it makes good sense.

5) When Montreal plays on the Penalty kill, they defend very deep and keep the lanes open for Carey Price to see shots. They really don't push forwards too high unless they intercept passes.

6)They rely very heavily on their backend to move the puck forward. From Subban, Markov to even players like Boullion. When Montreal breaks out they start from their back end and quickly move it to a forward and break out quickly.

7)Because Montreal relys on their backend so much, that also translates to their powerplay. They quickly move the puck around so they can free up their defenseman to launch bombs at the net. Many of Montreal goals comes from rebounds from the hard slap shots that come from the point.

8)Again because Montreal relys on their backend so much, they don't cycle as much as other teams do. They will quite frequently move the puck to the point and allow their defenseman to launch shots to either get redirected which Ryder is very good at, or fight for rebounds.

So what does this all mean? Montreal builds offense by using their backend. Montreal's defense corps have the most goals and points of any team in the league. Montreal is very leathal on the counter because of their quick speed. Montreal plays a swarming defense and uses their defenseman to fight for pucks and has their forwards watch the points.

Speed and Skill have always been the hallmark of a Montreal team. Under Jacques Martin. Montreal reverted to a defense minded trap system where they sat on leads and in many cases lost those leads because they allowed teams to shell Price all game long. Therrien emphasize forechecking and quick transitions from defense to offense to score goals. What should be said about Therrien's system that NO other team is using, is how he uses his defenseman. Both on the Penalty kill where both Dman commit to battling the puck and letting the forwards watch the point. To having the defenseman be the focus of the offense and not rely on the cycle to generate offense. These are gamechanging systematic improvements that I think many teams will look at and maybe implement.

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There is alot of theories here about Montreal's system. There are a few important things that Montreal does do every game.

1) They use a heavy fore check system where they committ two forwards deep into the opponents side.

2) Use their speed to make quick counters to create 2on1's which happens quite frequently against a slow defense.

3) When an opponent is in their end, they swarm the puck carrier. They are not afraid to commit all 5 players to one side and battle for the puck.

4) On the penalty kill, if you look closely, Montreal unlike in the past, will send both their defenseman to fight for the puck on the boards. Which sounds risky, but when you consider they are the best players for battling pucks on the boards on their end, it makes good sense.

5) When Montreal plays on the Penalty kill, they defend very deep and keep the lanes open for Carey Price to see shots. They really don't push forwards too high unless they intercept passes.

6)They rely very heavily on their backend to move the puck forward. From Subban, Markov to even players like Boullion. When Montreal breaks out they start from their back end and quickly move it to a forward and break out quickly.

7)Because Montreal relys on their backend so much, that also translates to their powerplay. They quickly move the puck around so they can free up their defenseman to launch bombs at the net. Many of Montreal goals comes from rebounds from the hard slap shots that come from the point.

8)Again because Montreal relys on their backend so much, they don't cycle as much as other teams do. They will quite frequently move the puck to the point and allow their defenseman to launch shots to either get redirected which Ryder is very good at, or fight for rebounds.

So what does this all mean? Montreal builds offense by using their backend. Montreal's defense corps have the most goals and points of any team in the league. Montreal is very leathal on the counter because of their quick speed. Montreal plays a swarming defense and uses their defenseman to fight for pucks and has their forwards watch the points.

Speed and Skill have always been the hallmark of a Montreal team. Under Jacques Martin. Montreal reverted to a defense minded trap system where they sat on leads and in many cases lost those leads because they allowed teams to shell Price all game long. Therrien emphasize forechecking and quick transitions from defense to offense to score goals. What should be said about Therrien's system that NO other team is using, is how he uses his defenseman. Both on the Penalty kill where both Dman commit to battling the puck and letting the forwards watch the point. To having the defenseman be the focus of the offense and not rely on the cycle to generate offense. These are gamechanging systematic improvements that I think many teams will look at and maybe implement.
Very good analysis.

The biggest and most impactful changes have been the more aggressive forecheck, the swarming to the puck in our zone and the increased engagement of our DMen on offense.

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I don't want to immerse myself into a sterile theoretical exercise that has no real value in practice..but we hear often coaches talking about systems, their application, etc

is it a sort of personal philosophy, ie: their own conception of how the game should be played?

the concrete application of timeless hockey fundamentals?

x and o's?

What is exactly Therrien's system, both in conceptual and pratical terms and how does it translate on the ice ?
The team looks like it is 120% behind him. I would pay good money to have seen his conversation with White... Tactics? Game to game/team while playing the teams's current and FUTURE strengths. GOLD

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Pass! Pass! Pa - oh crap, get the puck back! Scramble! Scramble! Any time now! Pass! Pass! Cycle! Cycle! Dammit - get the puck back! Pass! Cycle again! SHOOT! Net crash! Gallagher!

1-0 Montreal.
He asked for our system, not what you yell at the TV.

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