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04-08-2013, 11:32 AM
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Rene Bourque vient de confirmer qu'il devrait être du match de demain. / Bourque confirmed he should be in tomorrow's lineup.

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Once again, most nights in the last few months, Emelin ended his nights with 0 - 2 hits. No question he's a d-man who was taking 20 minutes per game, and will be missed. But to think his injury is huge considering how he was playing in the last month or so? It's a blow, but a blow which can be absorbed collectively.
He has cut down A LOT in terms of going out of his way to make a hit compared to the past (I think it's more the coaching staff trying to develop him in positioning). However what doesn't come up in stats is he's the one that fetches dump ins from opposition and takes the punishing hits otherwise will go to Markov. He is one of the few that is hard for opposition to overpower to retrieve a puck as he can absorb and reverse hit (not as well as Lucic though). This protects Markov and now it will be Drewiske's turn. I'm not sure he can do it as effectively.

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He has cut down A LOT in terms of going out of his way to take a hit. However what doesn't come up in stats is he's the one that fetches dump ins from opposition and takes the punishing hits otherwise will go to Markov. He is one of the few that is hard for opposition to overpower to retrieve a puck as he can absorb and reverse hit (not as well as Lucic though). This protects Markov and now it will be Drewiske's turn. I'm not sure he can do it as effectively.
So because Emelin was on the ice, it somehow made him a target to get hit and protected Markov? And the fact he's good at absorbing them makes Markov less vulnerable...?

Sorry, I just don't see it. That's grasping at straws. In fact, his turnovers and him getting out of his way/letting his player go made Markov more vulnerable than ever before on a hockey standpoint. He'll be missed, most of all, because he AND Diaz got injured. Once Diaz is back, we'll make up for his loss by commity.


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idiot fat ass "journalist" hack in boston calling the emelin injury karma on twitter

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Rene Bourque vient de confirmer qu'il devrait être du match de demain. / Bourque confirmed he should be in tomorrow's lineup.
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idiot fat ass "journalist" hack in boston calling the emelin injury karma on twitter

never never change boston.
Hillarious considering the cornered the market on "taking runs" at guys, cripes that's how they won their only cup in like 50 years. Brilliant!


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idiot fat ass "journalist" hack in boston calling the emelin injury karma on twitter

never never change boston.
If it's "Haggs" we all hate him too, don't blame us. He constantly pushed his agenda against Chara and Thomas trying to push them out of town to get himself a name. No need for the insults here.


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So because Emelin was on the ice, it somehow made him a target to get hit and protected Markov? And the fact he's good at absorbing them makes Markov less vulnerable...?

Sorry, I just don't see it. That's grasping at straws. In fact, his turnovers and him getting out of his way/letting his player go made Markov more vulnerable than ever before on a hockey standpoint. He'll be missed, most of all, because he AND Diaz got injured. Once Diaz is back, we'll make up for his loss by commity.
Picture an opposition dumping the puck into the Habs zone. From the games I've watched, much more often than not, Emelin fetches the puck instead of Markov. This lowers the risk for Markov to get a bad hit from fore-checkers. If there was a stat that I can objectively show that Emelin fetches the puck on dump-ins vast majority of the time I'd show it. Unfortunately, it's tough to make an argument based on something someone would have to 'take their word for it'.

I find he is one of the better D on the team that is able to maintain possession of the puck despite being hit along the boards and Markov might miss that and his fetching the puck. Maybe it's me. Can Drewiske do the same? We'll find out soon enough.

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Après l'entraînement, Diaz patine en solitaire avec Pierre Allard./Following practice, Diaz hit the ice for a skate with Pierre Allard.

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Emelin's injury really hurts in the playoffs, but I think Diaz/Drewiske will pick up all the slack and then some

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Picture an opposition dumping the puck into the Habs zone. From the games I've watched, much more often than not, Emelin fetches the puck instead of Markov. This lowers the risk for Markov to get a bad hit from fore-checkers. If there was a stat that I can objectively show that Emelin fetches the puck on dump-ins vast majority of the time I'd show it. Unfortunately, it's tough to make an argument based on something someone would have to 'take their word for it'.

I find he is one of the better D on the team that is able to maintain possession of the puck despite being hit along the boards and Markov might miss that and his fetching the puck. Maybe it's me. Can Drewiske do the same? We'll find out soon enough.
He's the first doing it more often than not because Markov now lacks the foot speed to do it, and often is pinching in the neutral zone to cut the plays right from the source.

Emelin might have been doing it, others can do it too.

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I'm sure that Diaz can absorb Emelin's minutes. It's as a team that
we get physically weaker. I don't care so much about spectacular hits.
Emelin was our strongest player even when he was getting hit.
And with Markov's lack of mobility, his partner has to pick-up the
shoot-ins more often. Emelin's strength on his skates, combined with
decent mobility, is going to be hard to replace in that role.

I hope MT considers using 7 D. At least untill Diaz is back. That way
Kaberle and a call-up can each play very sheltered minutes. And we
can rest/stop overusing Markov, at least for a week or two. I think
he'll be better with a little more recovery time.

And we shouldn't worry so much about "bubble wrapping" kaberle.
That might be an ideal solution. But we're no longer in a ideal situation.
Kaberle no has more use as depth. He's not all that likely to suffer an
injury, or one that's serious enough to extend into the summer. And if
he does, his contract is for only one more year. That's not a disaster.

Hopefully either Tinordi or Pateryn is chosen as the call-up. We're
suddenly very small on the back end.

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04-08-2013, 12:11 PM
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idiot fat ass "journalist" hack in boston calling the emelin injury karma on twitter

never never change boston.
Are you really that surprised?

I know the word "classy" is thrown around a lot on HFB, but it's very clear (and it always has been) that the city of Boston is not classy. Whenever someone gets injured they're the first people to gloat about it, whenever their players injure someone they cheer. Their fans do not respect the players or the game, all they care about is the players on their team.

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Oops. All that typing, and I missed that Beaulieu was called up. So I
guess we won't see Kaberle after all.

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For those wondering where Bourque will be inserted in the lineup, Therrien said he sees no reason he should pull anyone out of the top 3 lines so Bourque will be playing with Moen and Halpern..

Honestly Gionta has been the weakest forward in the top 9 with Pacioretty behind him but Pacioretty showed positive signs last game creating on his own. Gionta has been below average all season and doesn't deserve to play on a scoring line right now

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I want more update on Diaz and Armstrong!!!!

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For those wondering where Bourque will be inserted in the lineup, Therrien said he sees no reason he should pull anyone out of the top 3 lines so Bourque will be playing with Moen and Halpern..

Honestly Gionta has been the weakest forward in the top 9 with Pacioretty behind him but Pacioretty showed positive signs last game creating on his own. Gionta has been below average all season and doesn't deserve to play on a scoring line right now
Bourque can "get his feet wet" on the fourth line for a game or two. But
if DD and MaxPac don't pick up their play, I'd like to see Bourque-DD-B Gally.
A lot of hustle on the wings might help DD. MaxPac might click with Eller
and Chuckie. It wouldn't hurt to try.

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Armstrong out Bourque in. Taht's a good upgrade.

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BBQ Plek Ryder
Pax DD Gio
Chuck Eller Gally
Prust Halpern Moen

I would do that.

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For those wondering where Bourque will be inserted in the lineup, Therrien said he sees no reason he should pull anyone out of the top 3 lines so Bourque will be playing with Moen and Halpern..

Honestly Gionta has been the weakest forward in the top 9 with Pacioretty behind him but Pacioretty showed positive signs last game creating on his own. Gionta has been below average all season and doesn't deserve to play on a scoring line right now
Can bourque play center?

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I am gutted by the loss of Emelin for the playoffs...

F M L!

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I am gutted by the loss of Emelin for the playoffs...

F M L!
Don't worry, Diaz should be back before the season end...hopefully!!!!

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I wish nothing but health and a strong return for Emelin.

But honestly his loss is not some insurmountable blow. He wasn't playing that great in all honesty, he was just an average defender.

That said, an average defender who can throw his weight around is a valuable thing and it hurts us as now Drewiske has gone from a 7th D to an everyday. Maybe one of the kids can step up until Diaz is back?

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Emelin's injury really hurts in the playoffs, but I think Diaz/Drewiske will pick up all the slack and then some
I have a feeling Tinordi could break out if given the chance in the Post Season. It fits his style of play and gives him the chance to be overly physical in front of the net without being penalized as much.

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