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Asham 6 2.94%
Boyle 7 3.43%
Brassard 7 3.43%
Callahan 25 12.25%
Clowe 8 3.92%
Del Zotto 15 7.35%
Eminger 3 1.47%
Girardi 6 2.94%
Hagelin 2 0.98%
McDonagh 4 1.96%
Moore 3 1.47%
Nash 97 47.55%
Powe 4 1.96%
Pyatt 2 0.98%
Richards 12 5.88%
Stepan 73 35.78%
Stralman 5 2.45%
Zuccarello 46 22.55%
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04-08-2013, 12:04 PM
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I think Richter's flare was something that propelled him into a level that his actual talent level may not have supported. He was just so much fun to watch and his athleticism was something to behold.
Very true. Quick is the closest to his style of goaltending still left in the NHL. Not coincidently, Quick's favorite keeper growing up was Richter.

Something else propelling Richter's status into ridiculous heights was his iconic save against Bure in the '94 Finals and his performance in the 1996 World Cup of Hockey. That September 14th Game 3 was one of the greatest performances of any goaltender ever. Both events pretty much cemented his reputation as one of the clutchest goaltenders in NHL history, despite lack of further supporting evidence and his penchant for soft goals at bad times.

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Lundqvist > Richter (who is one of my favorite players, but it really shouldn't even be a discussion).

Also, Messier is the 2nd greatest F of all time? Uh, no.
I might step on some toes with this, but after all these years I still don't get why Messier got his number in the rafters.

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I might step on some toes with this, but after all these years I still don't get why Messier got his number in the rafters.
Say what?

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I might step on some toes with this, but after all these years I still don't get why Messier got his number in the rafters.
I think you meant Graves.

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Look, I understand why we retired Leetch' and Richter's numbers, but Messier? Yes, he captained our Stanley Cup winning team, but is he a face of the franchise? I don't feel he is in the same league as Richter and Leetch when it comes to being the face of the Rangers.

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Look, I understand why we retired Leetch' and Richter's numbers, but Messier? Yes, he captained our Stanley Cup winning team, but is he a face of the franchise? I don't feel he is in the same league as Richter and Leetch when it comes to being the face of the Rangers.
Were you alive and able to formulate thoughts in the early-mid 90's? Messier was definitely the face of the Rangers.

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04-08-2013, 12:33 PM
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Were you alive and able to formulate thoughts in the early-mid 90's? Messier was definitely the face of the Rangers.
I am following the Rangers since the early 90's and respect Messier and am thankful for all he has done for the Rangers but retiring his number just goes too far in my opinion. I just don't think the Rangers mean as much to him as vice versa.

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I am following the Rangers since the early 90's and respect Messier and am thankful for all he has done for the Rangers but retiring his number just goes too far in my opinion. I just don't think the Rangers mean as much to him as vice versa.
Look, Im not the biggest Messier fan - especially his 2nd stint here, but if you want to point to the biggest singular reason this team is not in the midst of a 73 year cup drought right now, he is it. That alone is enough for his spot in Rangers lore.

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Individual accomplishments will get you in the HHOF. Team accomplishments will get your number retired. There are Rangers with better franchise numbers than Messier but won't get their numbers retired because lack of team success.


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I might step on some toes with this, but after all these years I still don't get why Messier got his number in the rafters.
Stepping on toes is probably an understatement.

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Shows you the disconnect between Pre 94 fans and post 94 fans.

If you were not around to actually see what took place you'll never understand the full scope of the situation back then. On top of that, we all knew, learned or came from people that had not seen a cup win who were like my Dad, close to 50 years as a fan.

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I'd say the fact that he brought the drought to the end, made that guarantee, etc. add to the lore/legend. Hard not to think of the Rangers without thinking of Messier.

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Richter is my favorite Ranger of all-time. He may also be one of the most overrated Rangers of all-time. On the other end of the spectrum, Vanbiesbrouck is criminally underrated.
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Messier got his number retired because he is Mark ****ing Messier.

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Vanbies is one of the ultimate Ranger victims.

Came after Giacomin and the often injured yet well liked JD.

He left and one year later we won a Cup with Richter.

Then came Henke.

Greschner's in that same boat in a way.

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I'd say the fact that he brought the drought to the end, made that guarantee, etc. add to the lore/legend. Hard not to think of the Rangers without thinking of Messier.
Yes, but when you think of Messier, the first thing that pops up is the Oilers. I also never understood why he was so eager to leave for Vancouver, only to come back a shell of his former self. Great player, great leader but I don't feel he is worth it having his number up in the rafters.

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Yes, but when you think of Messier, the first thing that pops up is the Oilers. I also never understood why he was so eager to leave for Vancouver, only to come back a shell of his former self. Great player, great leader but I don't feel he is worth it having his number up in the rafters.
How many Rangers would you have with their numbers retired?

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How many Rangers would you have with their numbers retired?
Any Rangers that were home grown and played 10+ years with the team, it would seem.

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Leetch, Giacomin, Howell, Gilbert, Bathgate, Park.

Soon to be added: Lundqvist (lock)

That would be my list.

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Any Rangers that were home grown and played 10+ years with the team, it would seem.
Does Ken Gernander count?

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Good call.

And, unfortunately, it also made him more susceptible to injury.

Richter was definitely more exciting to watch but, for me anyway, Lundqvist's style of almost no wasted movement is more efficient and effective.
No question his style of play is more efficient, but I as good as Henke is, I miss the showmanship that Richter brought to the table. I remember as a kid watching him 3-4 feet outside of the crease and snapping that glove in a full split and instantly wishing I could do that. He was someone I idolized as a young goalie who never embraced the "Let me teach you the Profly" era.

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Very true. Quick is the closest to his style of goaltending still left in the NHL. Not coincidently, Quick's favorite keeper growing up was Richter.

Something else propelling Richter's status into ridiculous heights was his iconic save against Bure in the '94 Finals and his performance in the 1996 World Cup of Hockey. That September 14th Game 3 was one of the greatest performances of any goaltender ever. Both events pretty much cemented his reputation as one of the clutchest goaltenders in NHL history, despite lack of further supporting evidence and his penchant for soft goals at bad times.
Good points. Richter has some truly iconic saves. Don't get me wrong, Lundqvist has a few of his own, but they just don't stand out in my head like some of Mike's do.

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No question his style of play is more efficient, but I as good as Henke is, I miss the showmanship that Richter brought to the table. I remember as a kid watching him 3-4 feet outside of the crease and snapping that glove in a full split and instantly wishing I could do that. He was someone I idolized as a young goalie who never embraced the "Let me teach you the Profly" era.



Good points. Richter has some truly iconic saves. Don't get me wrong, Lundqvist has a few of his own, but they just don't stand out in my head like some of Mike's do.
I mean, that fact in and of itself is somewhat derivative of style. Henrik's greatest strengths are his positioning and his ability to read plays. Because he's almost always in the best position to make a save, he seldom has to make a truly spectacular one, and even when he does, they aren't usually of the "fly across the net and get it by half an inch" sort. He's basically the antithesis of the Hasek/Thomas type, who force(d) themselves to make highlight reel saves with their risky positioning.

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We should really have a "History of the Rangers" thread. These discussions are great and a nice break from the day-to-day microanalysis of the current roster. Or maybe I'll just be more proactive about starting threads about franchise history

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We should really have a "History of the Rangers" thread. These discussions are great and a nice break from the day-to-day microanalysis of the current roster. Or maybe I'll just be more proactive about starting threads about franchise history
It'll come down to two topics:

The 1994 Rangers and Why Did We Let Avery Go?

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It'll come down to two topics:

The 1994 Rangers and Why Did We Let Avery Go?

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