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Kobe Bryant Vs. Nicklas Lidström - Who has done more for their team?

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Kobe Bryant 154 75.12%
Nicklas Lidström 51 24.88%
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04-07-2013, 11:59 PM
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If Kobe had been playing at the level the rest of his team has, they'd be looking at a lottery pick. The guy has a legitimate case for MVP this year (James aside) and if the Lakers can pull off a miracle and sneak into the playoffs (and they're not that far out of it) he will certainly be my pick. This might be the best season he's had since 08. Playing like a man possessed.
NBA MVP almost always goes to a player on the #1 or #2 seed in their conference. Kobe is not winning it this year. Lebron already has his 4th MVP locked up.

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04-08-2013, 12:02 AM
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like what other posters have said, this isn't even close.

lidstrom maybe a top 10 player all time but kobe is at least top 5, if not challenging jordan for #1(still not as great as jordan).
Kobe would have more than 1 MVP if he was close to #1 all-time. He is closer to 8-9th on the list.

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Anyone who has even the smallest basketball knowledge should know that the answer is Kobe Bryant and that is not to take anything away from Nicklas Lidstrom.

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I met Kobe many times, I work in the same neighborhood he grew up.... It's Kobe AINEC, he's done more for his team and basketball than any current player has ever done for hockey by a large amount. And I really don't like basketball.

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04-08-2013, 12:10 AM
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Since Shaq left Kobe has been the Lakers identity pretty much. For much of Lidstrom's career it was "Yzerman's Red Wings", but for the last 10+ years it's been "Kobe's Lakers", hell, not many people called it "Lidstrom's Red Wings" even after Yzerman retired.

Pretty much any basketball superstar (like generational talent) that stays with one city for a long time will gain greater association with their team than the same of a hockey player. It's also just becuase a single basketball superstar affects the team more than for hockey due to how basketball works (36+ minutes per game (of 48 minutes) vs. <30 minutes (of 60 minutes), no goalie, less playmaking needed to get points, etc.).

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Kobe would have more than 1 MVP if he was close to #1 all-time. He is closer to 8-9th on the list.
You can't name 8 players better than Kobe man... There is only two obvious, jordan and Wilt

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You can't name 8 players better than Kobe man... There is only two obvious, jordan and Wilt
Jordan - 5 MVPs/6 Finals MVPs
Wilt - 4 MVPs/1 Finals MVP
Kareem - 6 MVPs/2 Finals MVPs
Russell - 5 MVPs/11 championships/Best defensive player of all time
Magic - 3 MVPs/3 Finals MVPs
Bird - 3 MVPs/2 Finals MVPs
Shaq - 1 MVP/3 Finals MVPs

That's 7. Like I said, Kobe is around 8-9.

A great player no doubt. I'm not arguing that but all of those players were better than him.

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The WWE is less rigged than the NBA. Lidstrom.
This and a lot more.

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04-08-2013, 12:25 AM
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Kobe by far. A single basketball player can have so much more impact that a single hockey player and he is way more dominant in his sport to boot.

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Basket is more of a individual sport, but it's safe to say that without Lidstrom that red wings team would probably not win any stanley cup. I will go with equal, but the nature of the sport makes Kobe more importent.

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04-08-2013, 04:32 AM
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In 2002-03, Kobe averaged 42 minutes per game. Think about that. He played 88% of the season for the Lakers. Kobe by a fair margin, and in no way is that a slight against Lidstrom.

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He did all this while remaining on the same team his whole career. Not to mention being the most clutch player to ever play the game.
Myeah.

I'd still pick MJ to take the shot for me at the buzzer.
But... Whatever.

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Jordan - 5 MVPs/6 Finals MVPs
Wilt - 4 MVPs/1 Finals MVP
Kareem - 6 MVPs/2 Finals MVPs
Russell - 5 MVPs/11 championships/Best defensive player of all time
Magic - 3 MVPs/3 Finals MVPs
Bird - 3 MVPs/2 Finals MVPs
Shaq - 1 MVP/3 Finals MVPs

That's 7. Like I said, Kobe is around 8-9.

A great player no doubt. I'm not arguing that but all of those players were better than him.
Rather have kobe over all of them but mj and magic.

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kobee guys a living legend tbh, not to say lidstrom isnt, but kobe is probably top 2-3 most popular/influential basketball players ever behind only mj and maybe like magic johnson
Well, as far as popularity and influence go, there's Jordan for obvious reasons and Magic who was really the face of the league in the 80s, Russell who was really the first black superstar, Allen Iverson who ushered in the "hip hop" era, Garnett in terms of players coming to the league out of high school as he was the first in 30 years, Wilt who changed the way the game was played, and maybe even Dr J just for how beloved he was and is.

Kobe is most certainly up there, having been the first guy that got those Jordan comparisons and having had such a strong public image before the off court incident, but there were quite a few guys who can make claims to being amongst the most influential in the game.

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Rather have kobe over all of them but mj and magic.
That's fine.

I like Kobe but personally I wouldn't pick a career 45% shooter over any of those guys.

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I'm not a fan of Kobe and he's way overrated, but it's him AINEC

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If you include how Kobe has hindered the Lakers the past few years with his refusal to play a team game, it may actually swing back to Lidstrom's favour. Playing more years doesn't always mean you contribute more to the team.

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Basket is more of a individual sport, but it's safe to say that without Lidstrom that red wings team would probably not win any stanley cup. I will go with equal, but the nature of the sport makes Kobe more importent.
I think that Lids is one of the most important pieces of their cups, but that's a hyperbole.

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This is retarded. Kobe had one of the best players ever at his position (Shaq).

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This is retarded. Kobe had one of the best players ever at his position (Shaq).
Yzerman+Fedorov....

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Yzerman+Fedorov....
Dont compare to Shaqs dominance of the NBA.

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Kobe Bryant is incredibly overrated.

He's an inefficient, volume shooter who has the inability to understand he has teammates. He also sucks defensively. To put it in hockey terms, he's basically Phil Kessel but with Cups.

Hell, if he didn't run Shaq out of LA, the Lakers could've easily won more championships.

So he probably harmed his team more than helped just because of his ego. He has played on stacked team most of his career and the few times he wasn't the Lakers were awful.

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