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04-09-2013, 12:26 AM
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Trades:
Hjarmarlsson+1st for Miller+2nd(STL)

Stafford+3rd+Adam for burmistrov

1st(CHI)+McNabb+Sundher for Vlasic

5th for clarksons rights

Signings:
Clarkson
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Vanek-CoHo-Horton
Leino-Ennis-Clarkson
Foligno-Burmistrov-Ott
Tropp-XXX-Flynn
Kaleta

Myers-Vlasic
Sekera-Ehrhoff
Hammer-Weber
Pysyk

Enroth
Harding

EDIT: maybe sign a G in free agency too
I'd be happy with this. I don't know if those trades go through though.

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Acquiring Stafford at no immediate cost gives him the ability to easily move a top-9 winger for that defense.
I'd find the situation a little more plausible if you had a precedent of a team moving out of a top 5 pick for a player of Staffords ilk. I can't think of any off the top of my head.

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Here we go:

Stafford to Detroit for Helm and a pick.

Miller to Calgary for their 1st 2013 and Kiprusoff

Ennis and a pick to NYI for their rights to Streit, Grabner and Nielsen.

Resign:
Hodgson for $4.0m x 3
Enroth/Hackett for $1.0m x 2
Weber for $1.5m x 2
Tropp for $1.0m x 2
Streit for 5.5m x 2


Vanek - Hodgson - Ott (scoring line with some physical presence)
Foligno - Helm - Grabner (full-speed line, foligno creating room for Grabs and Helm)
Armia - Grigorenko - Larsson (another scoring line with physical presence)
Leino - Nielsen - Kaleta/Tropp (shutdown line)
Girgs


Sekera - Myers
Streit - Ehrhoff
Pysyk - Weber
McNabb


Hackett/Enroth/Kiprusoff


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Here we go:

Stafford to Detroit for Helm and a pick.

Miller to Calgary for their 1st 2013 and Kiprusoff

Ennis and a pick to NYI for their rights to Streit, Grabner and Nielsen.

Resign:
Hodgson for $4.0m x 3
Enroth/Hackett for $1.0m x 2
Weber for $1.5m x 2
Tropp for $1.0m x 2
Streit for 5.5m x 2


Vanek - Hodgson - Ott
Foligno - Helm - Grabner
Armia - Grigorenko - Larsson
Leino - Nielsen - Kaleta/Tropp
Girgs


Sekera - Myers
Streit - Ehrhoff
Pysyk - Weber
McNabb


Hackett/Enroth/Kiprusoff

Calgary is in rebuild like us... Why do they want Miller when they have a couple of pretty promising young Goaltenders on their way up?

I think the only destinations for Miller is Chicago, St Louis, NYI (long shot) or San Jose (long shot)

I do like the Stafford for Helm one tho..

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I'd find the situation a little more plausible if you had a precedent of a team moving out of a top 5 pick for a player of Staffords ilk. I can't think of any off the top of my head.
I can't think of one either. To be fair, though, #6 doesn't quite have that mystique . In terms of value I'd say the NYI one is similar.

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Myers, Miller, Grigorenko and Buf 2nd to Stl for Oshie and Pietrangelo

Vanek to Philly for Couturie

Stafford, Buf 1st, Stl 2nd to Fla for Khulikov

Oshie Couturier Ott
Ennis Hodgson Leino
Flynn Larsson Foligno
Kaleta Porter Tropp
Scott

Ehrhoff Pietrangelo
Sekera Khulikov
Weber Pysyk
Pardy

Enroth
Hackett

Bring in Tippet to coach it. Armia eventually replaces Ennis or Leino. McNabb replaces Pardy. Pysyk takes Sekera spot. Girgensons takes Larsson or Porter.

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Calgary is in rebuild like us... Why do they want Miller when they have a couple of pretty promising young Goaltenders on their way up?
Promising but still not proven.

Goaltending has always been a Problem in Calgary. Miller would solve that Problem immidietly, while their promising goalies in the pipeline have talent but still need developement.

But I have to agree with you, if calgary goes full-rebuild, they won't take miller.

A good destination for Miller would be Detroit.

I was thinking about the following deal:

Miller and Stafford to Detroit for Howard and Helm.

But I'm also not sure if detroit wants to do that.

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Acquiring Stafford at no immediate cost gives him the ability to easily move a top-9 winger for that defense.
Why can't we move stafford for that defender and skip the flyers then?


To NJ: Ryan Miller, Lou Kattum, 2nd
To BUF: Adam Henrique, prospect, 3rd, 5th

Something of the sort.

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I think you misread, buds

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I think you misread, buds
Your proposal? Or pipe dreams vs. reality?

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Your proposal? Or pipe dreams vs. reality?
I Think it was a response to Philly wanting defense not stafford, to which Bucky suggested stafford gives them the flexibility to move their more valuable wingers for a top 4 dman. I don't think I'd want the kind of dman that Stafford would return, we just traded him to StL.


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I Think it was a response to Philly wanting defense not stafford, to which Bucky suggested stafford gives them the flexibility to move their more valuable wingers for a top 4 dman. I don't think I'd want the kind of dman that Stafford would return, we just traded him to StL.
Yeah you're probably right. But if we are deducing that Stafford can draw a dman in return, and we could use one ourselves, might as well do that IMO and cut Philly out of this Ishmael.

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Yeah you're probably right. But if we are deducing that Stafford can draw a dman in return, and we could use one ourselves, might as well do that IMO and cut Philly out of this Ishmael.
We aren't deducing that. We are deducing that Stafford allows you to move Voracek or Simmonds for a top 4 while using Stafford to fill in until (I'm assuming) Read becomes a viable option.

Philly takes a flyer on stafford
Philly trades a good top 6 forward for top 4 blue line help
Stafford plays top 6 till his contract is up then is replaced with

Maybe we trade Sekera for 1 of their wingers? Would Sekera + Stafford get us Voracek?

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We aren't deducing that. We are deducing that Stafford allows you to move Voracek or Simmonds for a top 4 while using Stafford to fill in until (I'm assuming) Read becomes a viable option.

Philly takes a flyer on stafford
Philly trades a good top 6 forward for top 4 blue line help
Stafford plays top 6 till his contract is up then is replaced with

Maybe we trade Sekera for 1 of their wingers? Would Sekera + Stafford get us Voracek?
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what Imlach said, yeah

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I think this would be a bigger mistake for the loss of Sekera than anything else. Regardless of value, he's arguably the team's best defenseman and without him they'd be even worse .
I think O'Reilly would be worth it. Having two two-way centers and Coburn could offset. But I'd be willing to move McNabb instead, for example.

Regier should get Sekera some baby mamas. In about 22 years the Sabres would be set on defense with all the Sekera boys.

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Let me preface by saying that Horton/Clarkson are entirely unrealistic and this team, in its current state, shouldn't even be interested in adding them. Neither player will accelerate this rebuild.

Gague Vanek's interest in playing here through a rebuild (even if Darcy won't come out and say it's one). Regier knows it's going to be a process - he insinuated that when he said he didn't know how long it would take for the team to reach its ultimate goal.

If you can convince him to stick around, do it. Vanek, Roy and Pominville were prematurely handed leadership roles when Drury, Briere, Dumont and Grier left town - do we really want the same to happen to players like Hodgson, Ennis, Foligno, etc.?

No, Vanek isn't the ideal captain for a squad littered with young players. But he is an experienced veteran. Try and keep him.

That said, he'll want to move. Add him for a Nash-esque return (two quality roster wingers, prospect, pick).

Move Miller for some help on d.

Move Stafford if a team gives you solid value. If not, hold on to him. Moving Stafford should be contingent on the Vanek return.

Bring Pardy back as depth.

Buy out Leino. He's shut down, it seems, and I think Regier will move on from him given the organization's youth movement.

Sign a bottom-six forward (Gordon, Hecht) and let them play.

aaa1-Hodgson-Ott
Foligno-Ennis-Stafford/aaa2
Larsson-Gordon-Tropp
Kaleta-Porter-Flynn

Ehrhoff-Myers
Sekera-bbb
Weber-Pysyk

Hackett
Enroth

index:
aaa1/aaa2 - roster wingers acquired in Vanek trade.
bbb - defenseman added in Miller trade.

Let Grigorenko develop. I see some people are still trying to rush him into the league next year - if his play this year showed us anything, it's that he's not even a little bit ready.

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UFAs:
D Andrew Ference
RW Eric Fehr
C/RW Boyd Gordon

Re-sign:
RW John Scott
C Cody Hodgson
RW Brian Flynn
C/W Luke Adam
D Mike Weber

Buy out:
Ville Leino

Vanek-Hodgson-Stafford
Foligno-Ennis-Ott
Gerbe-Grigorenko-Armia
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Scott-[Flynn or Adam]

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Miller
Enroth

Wait until the trade deadline to move Miller, Vanek, and Stafford.

Sign Ott to an extension during this offseason.

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Sign Boyd Gordon, three years, $1.9M average for defensive zone starts/PK/faceoff speciality.

Slightly less reality based?

Stafford and the Sabres 2014 fourth rounder to Winnepeg for Burmistrov and the Jets 2014 third.

Vanek and a conditional 2015 pick (2nd round if he does not re-sign in Nashville) for Zack Budish and the Preds first in 2014.

Miller could go to a team who stumbles in the playoffs -- if Crawford is a sieve for Chicago perhaps or maybe the Blues. The Phoenix ownership schmoozle likely takes them out of the running completely since they may wind up moving so I doubt they are on his list. There are limited goaltending availabilities so the market is not really there. Mostly, I see him around another season.

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Promising but still not proven.

Goaltending has always been a Problem in Calgary. Miller would solve that Problem immidietly, while their promising goalies in the pipeline have talent but still need developement.

But I have to agree with you, if calgary goes full-rebuild, they won't take miller.

A good destination for Miller would be Detroit.

I was thinking about the following deal:

Miller and Stafford to Detroit for Howard and Helm.

But I'm also not sure if detroit wants to do that.
Calgary will likely have the 2nd or 3rd pick. Why in God's name would the Flames, in a definite rebuild, trade at least 7 years of team control over MacKinnon or Drouin for one year of Miller? They wouldn't.

I'll post my offseason later when I'm not on my phone.

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Philly considers buying out Bryz, but rather than going for another big name, they decide to take a shot on another young goalie and hope that he can become a starter or at least form an acceptable tandem with Mason. Free up cap space (after the buyout) to go after D. Buffalo decides to bring Hackett along slowly behind Miller rather than throwing him and Enroth into the fire. I'm Hackett can steal some starts from him, then look at dealing Miller at the deadline. In the meantime, I think keeping Miller boosts our chances at being able to re-sign other vets who are wary of the team's direction.
-Enroth + 2013 3rd to PHI for 2013 2nd + 2014 2nd

Buffalo trades up in the draft (based on current standings) with Carolina. Gets us the pick of the litter amongst Lindholm/Nurse/Monahan.
-BUF 1st (8) + either our or PHI's 2nd to CAR for their 1st (5)

NJ trades for Stafford either as an insurance policy against Clarkson walking or just because they need more top 6ers. Stafford has decent speed and a big body, could be an effective player in their aggressive forecheck if he buys in. Their blue line is solid with vets + Fayne/Larsson for the future, so they can afford to give up a good prospect there.
-Stafford to NJD for Merrill straight up or Urbom + 2014 3rd?

-Sign Bozak to fill the defensive C void (3yr X 4.5m)
-Sign 2 veteran D for depth (Pardy to a 1-2yr two-way contract + someone like Roszival. Wouldn't hate bringing back Sulzer)


Next year's line-up (if Grigs is ready):
Vanek - Hodgson - Leino --> Mostly offense, hopefully acceptable D if Hodgson steps up
Ennis - Bozak - Larsson --> Two-way line, Ennis as a winger has less responsibility and looks to use his speed to create scoring chances
Ott - Grigorenko - Armia/Tropp/Flynn --> Secondary scoring
Foligno - Porter/??? - Kaleta/Tropp/Flynn

Ehrhoff - Myers
Sekera - Pysyk
Weber - UFA/Pardy

Miller
Hackett

If Grigs isn't ready, Ennis stays at center and Foligno gets to move up a line or 2.


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Trades:
Hjarmarlsson+1st for Miller+2nd(STL)

Stafford+3rd+Adam for burmistrov

1st(CHI)+McNabb+Sundher for Vlasic

5th for clarksons rights

Signings:
Clarkson
Horton


Vanek-CoHo-Horton
Leino-Ennis-Clarkson
Foligno-Burmistrov-Ott
Tropp-XXX-Flynn
Kaleta

Myers-Vlasic
Sekera-Ehrhoff
Hammer-Weber
Pysyk

Enroth
Harding

EDIT: maybe sign a G in free agency too
I love the personnel on that defense, but I would probably change up the pairings for game 1.

Also, really doubt Horton signs here - he hates Kaleta with a passion and that might be understating it.

I think Bozak is the perfect 3rd line center, especially considering his faceoff prowess. 2-3 year contract until the young guns are ready to step in?

I'd also like to see the Sabres sign Clarkson unless he's demanding too much money.

Finally, see what Stafford gets on the market, but I'm not inclined to trade him for scraps. I'd only do that if Armia proves he's ready.

Vanek-Hodgson-Clarkson/Armia
Ennis-Grigorenko-Stafford/Clarkson
Ott-Bozak-Tropp/Leino
Foligno-Porter-Flynn
xKaleta

Vlasic-Ehrhoff (Drool...)
Hammer-Myers
Weber-Sekera
xPysyk

Enroth
[Vet UFA]

** EDIT ** Oh yea, buyout Leino; I'm not sure he fits the plan and the injuries have me worried (not saying he's injury prone yet, but still concerned). If he's kept, slot him in for Tropp.

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I'm not sure why so many people have Buffalo going after UFA's such as Streit. Regier even said we'd only be going after secondary players on short term contracts. With the lack of quality D on the market, Streit is gonna get a payday.

Here is what I REALISTICALLY expect to happen:

Miller is likely gone. He's a competitive guy, but he wants to be a big, successful market. Chicago seems to be a good fit, maybe detroit if they decide Howard is out. Buffalo will get some return for him, but not a ton. Especially with Luongo out there, as well as Smith and Backstrom hitting the market.

Vanek I think will end up staying. He has laid down some roots here and, if we offer him a fair extension (probably in the area of 6 years, 45 million) he'll stick around. If he really wants to jet, Nashville seems a likley destination. Something around Vanek for Josi+another prospect+2nd.

Stafford is hit and miss. If a team comes out and offers up good value, I can see him moving. With Pominville gone, our RW depth is pretty meh. I don't think they are gonna force Armia up early unless he's miles ahead of the rest of the team next year. I doubt we'll see Vanek AND Stafford moved.

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