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04-08-2013, 12:37 PM
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Well , its clear where subban, gallagher and therrien stand in their races, will be interesting to see how the calder will play out tho, gallaghers doing all this on a winning team

BUT, dont be surprised if price gets a vezina nod, .. he wont win , but they love goalies who lead the league in WINS, i think itd be great if he got some sort of nomination, might shut up alot of people around here
He was first in wins three years ago... By like 7 wins and didnt get a nomination.


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Subban should be leading the race for Norris. PPG player right now AND a much better defensive defenceman than Karlsson, who won it last year based on his offence. But he's got a ridiculous bad rep around the league and there's another factor I won't dare mention...

Letang is about to comeback from injury though...so it could get interesting.

Price should be not be in the Vezina conversation unless he is on fire to end the year. His save % is just not high enough.

I'm pretty convinced Gallagher will not get a nomination for the Calder. Saad and Brodin are clearly ahead of him right now and play key roles on winning teams and the voters will fall for Huberdeau's point totals even though FLA puts him in every offensive situation since they have no one else. Plus you have Conacher, Schultz, Hamilton, etc.

I think the Wild GM will get GM of the year. MB could get nominated though.
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Yeah, it's not like being a rookie GM and taking a 15 spot team to competing to the 1st position in its conference was impressive or anything like that anyway...
...Yeah it's not like he has been gm for less than a year... Compared to others who've been GMing for years.


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04-08-2013, 12:44 PM
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He was first in wins three years ago... By like 7 wins and didnt get a nomination.


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...Yeah it's not like he made has been gm for less than a year... Compared to others who've been GMing for years.
He took less than a year to get a team from #15 to competing for the 1st spot in the conference.

Gauthier is not doing the Cole for Ryder trade, and I doubt he makes the moves Bergevin has made so far.

He made key decisions, like hiring Therrien, sending Gomez home, trading Cole away, surrounding himself with good people and holding on to those draft picks, and that makes the Habs a better team now and in the future.

Plus, the trophy is called "GM of the year" for a reason. It's ridiculous and pointless to talk about longevity in such a situation.

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04-08-2013, 12:51 PM
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Subban should be leading the race for Norris. PPG player right now AND a much better defensive defenceman than Karlsson, who won it last year based on his offence. But he's got a ridiculous bad rep around the league and there's another factor I won't dare mention...
You will be under heavy attack if Sens' fans saw this.

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04-08-2013, 04:20 PM
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He was first in wins three years ago... By like 7 wins and didnt get a nomination.
He was tied with Luongo for first, but had played 12 more games. I believe he finished 5th in voting that year.

It was obvious it was going to Thomas though because he set that GAA or SV% record, I forget which one.

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LG you are a lot like me. You let stuff drive you crazy some times. I had not even thought of that, and now it's annoying me too.

Tone down that IQ, take drugs or something, it will help.
drugs will make him more imaginative, not the best idea.

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I am really annoyed with sens fans obsessive the main board who think that karlsson should win the Norris.

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I am really annoyed with sens fans obsessive the main board who think that karlsson should win the Norris.
Like, this year also? What the hell.

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04-08-2013, 04:42 PM
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Price would have a save percentage right there with Lundqvist and a much better record. It would be his to lose right now.
You would have to exclude Henrik's three worst games too though, same for every other goalie.

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This is what would happen if you excluded two worst games for these goalies:

Lundqvist: .933%

Price: .926%

Something else I noticed. Lundqvist has played more minutes and faced more shots on average than Price. Also has only allowed more than 3 goals twice all season, compared to 6 times for Price.

Statistically, Lundqvist has had a better season whichever method is used. So I think we can stop thinking about those two blowouts.


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If Subban continues at this pace, I think he has an outside shot at Hart, especially with Crosby down. He is the MVP of our club.

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I strongly doubt Subban will win the Norris. It will most likely be Ryan Suter.

Subban is excellent, but his ice time will play against him. You cannot win the Norris if you don't even have #1 ice time on your own team.

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04-08-2013, 05:13 PM
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I don't know because I haven't seen Huberdeau play a whole lot, but there has got to more to this trophy than point totals. Gallagher has more GWG, more PIM,
plays with more intensity per lb than anyone since Theo Fleury, better plus/minus,
That said Florida has had nothing to cheer about this season, so they might get the sympathy vote.

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You would have to exclude Henrik's three worst games too though, same for every other goalie.

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This is what would happen if you excluded two worst games for these goalies:

Lundqvist: .933%

Price: .926%

Something else I noticed. Lundqvist has played more minutes and faced more shots on average than Price. Also has only allowed more than 3 goals twice all season, compared to 6 times for Price.

Statistically, Lundqvist has had a better season whichever method is used. So I think we can stop thinking about those two blowouts.
I would take Price at .926 vs. Lundqvist at .933 for the Vezina. You can't ignore the wins.

Save percentage is definitely the best stat we have available for judging a goalie, but it's not the only stat. The stat can be skewed a fair bit if you have a bad game. Lundqvist got a terrible start and is now playing catchup. No doubt he's been ridiculous for the last month but they were in a huge hole to begin with.

Lundqvist was not good to start the season:
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nhl/playe...qprrC1SEzCfgM6

From March onward though, he's stupid hot.

Anyway it doesn't matter. My vote for the Vezina would be for Lundqvist because those games DID happen and you can't win the Vezina with a save percentage worse than .920.

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04-08-2013, 05:26 PM
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I would take Price at .926 vs. Lundqvist at .933 for the Vezina. You can't ignore the wins.

Save percentage is definitely the best stat we have available for judging a goalie, but it's not the only stat. The stat can be skewed a fair bit if you have a bad game. Lundqvist got a terrible start and is now playing catchup. No doubt he's been ridiculous for the last month but they were in a huge hole to begin with.

Lundqvist was not good to start the season:
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nhl/playe...qprrC1SEzCfgM6
I still don't understand your argument.

Lundqvist has 17 wins out of the Rangers 19

Price has 19 wins out of the Habs 25

Not only is there a difference of only two wins, Lundqvist has a higher percentage of wins for his club. Why would you take .926 over .933? Just because?

Your main criteria for choosing Price is that he is a Hab. Lundqvist has had an objectively better season based on whichever method is applied, the second more favourable to Price I might add.

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I still don't understand your argument.

Lundqvist has 17 wins out of the Rangers 19

Price has 19 wins out of the Habs 25

Not only is there a difference of only two wins, Lundqvist has a higher percentage of wins for his club. Why would you take .926 over .933? Just because?

Your main criteria for choosing Price is that he is a Hab. Lundqvist has had an objectively better season based on whichever method is applied, the second more favourable to Price I might add.
Actually my main criteria is not looking at the stats closely enough... I didn't realize the wins were that close.

I do think that Lundqvist sucked to start the year though and it didn't help NY. Anyways... like I said, it doesn't matter. Lundqvist gets my vote.

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04-08-2013, 05:35 PM
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Just trying to help you overcome those two devastating losses. I'm with you there. But would have taken a bit higher level of play overall to snag Vezina.

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And to be fair, Brodeur won the trophy a few times if I recall without being in the upper tier of save percentage leaders.


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Brodeur was only in the top ten sv% leaders one of the four times he won the trophy. Weird.


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Just trying to help you overcome those two devastating losses. I'm with you there. But would have taken a bit higher level of play overall to snag Vezina.

EDIT

And to be fair, Brodeur won the trophy a few times if I recall without being in the upper tier of save percentage leaders.


DOUBLE EDIT

Brodeur was only in the top ten sv% leaders one of the four times he won the trophy. Weird.
Actually Schneider has a good case... 24 wins, .928. That's pretty good.

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Actually Schneider has a good case... 24 wins, .928. That's pretty good.
15 wins?

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Actually Schneider has a good case... 24 wins, .928. That's pretty good.
You have issues with your stats again

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...Yeah it's not like he made has been gm for less than a year... Compared to others who've been GMing for years.
That doesn't matter. The trophy is handed to the GM that performed to his best ability for THIS season and this season ONLY! Last year, two, three years back has absolutely no reflection on who wins it this year. None.

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That doesn't matter. The trophy is handed to the GM that performed to his best ability for THIS season and this season ONLY! Last year, two, three years back has absolutely no reflection on who wins it this year. None.
Still you really think a GM that made less than 10 hockey related moves should be a contender for it ?

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I strongly doubt Subban will win the Norris. It will most likely be Ryan Suter.

Subban is excellent, but his ice time will play against him. You cannot win the Norris if you don't even have #1 ice time on your own team.
That would be dumb but it wouldn't surprise me either.

Subban had the most ice time by a fair margin last year and he wasn't as good as he is this year.

Therrien used him less in the first month because he missed the start of the season and because he wanted to establish who was the boss (at least I think that's why he did it because Subban was excellent from the get go).

Since then he's getting the most quality minutes of the team... playing against top opposition like he was last year and he's on the ice as much as possible whenever the tean needs it the most (tie game, trailing by one, leading by one). However, Therrien again hurts his TOI stat by getting him a bit less ice time in the games that we lead by a few goals... (I actually like it since we'll see a fresher Subban for the playoffs which is important considering the density of the season)

Journalists who votes for Norris won't know/look into all this however and they are probably gonna draw false conclusions by looking at that TOI stat. Heck even local journalists following the team that call themselves hockey experts don't know what the hell they are talking about half the time sooo...

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http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=6...d=nhl:topheads

Another article to chew on for the ones who bashed Therrien's hiring

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Still you really think a GM that made less than 10 hockey related moves should be a contender for it ?
If those 10 hockey related moves helped he Habs move from last in the East to first, absolutely.

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If those 10 hockey related moves helped he Habs move from last in the East to first, absolutely.
This. I think it's pretty damn obvious that GM of the year has to be handed to the best GM of THIS season.

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You will be under heavy attack if Sens' fans saw this.
If you even mention them in the same breath Sens fans go berserk.

I remember we had a thread last year asking if Subban could be as good as Karlsson one day, and the Sens board had a field day with it, like it was the most absurd question that had ever been asked.

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