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04-08-2013, 01:56 PM
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My thoughts aswell, but with all the picks we have in the coming years I am not sure that adding a blue chip goalie prospect is a bad thing. Ultimately I don't think Buffalo will spend a top 60 pick on a goalie.
I don't think I'd complain about it if they went with Fucale, as I'd rationalize it as getting the best player at his position rather than a (likely) 2nd line winger/2nd pairing defender--assuming the board broke the way you had it in your hypo, and there wasn't someone I liked more still on the board.

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If that's how it went,

A) I'd want the Sabres to try and trade with either Carolina or Nashville to move up and grab Lindholm or Monahan. If we couldn't and picked Nurse, and it went how you think, or at least those players went, I'd want one of

Rychel, Domi, Hartman, Zykov, Fucale, or Morrissey
I'd think about Rychel there. Maybe someone like Lehkonen who's small but high offensive potential or Morrissey just as BPA.

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If NHL '13 has taught me anything, it's that we should take Sean Monahan.

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does anyone know how tall PK Subban was in his draft year? It's pretty amazing to see how similar PK and Jordans draft was was statistically. Many will tell you Jordan has PK skill but not the size, could be a candidate as a 2nd round pick, could possibly be a 1st rounder if a team thinks he still has room to grow.

Jordan Subban

Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
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2011-12 Belleville Bulls OHL 56 5 15 20 31 5 0 0 0 4
2012-13 Belleville Bulls OHL 68 15 36 51 47



PK Subban
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
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2005-06 Belleville Bulls OHL 52 5 7 12 70 3 0 0 0 2
2006-07 Belleville Bulls OHL 68 15 41 56 89 15 5 8 13 26

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does anyone know how tall PK Subban was in his draft year? It's pretty amazing to see how similar PK and Jordans draft was was statistically. Many will tell you Jordan has PK skill but not the size, could be a candidate as a 2nd round pick, could possibly be a 1st rounder if a team thinks he still has room to grow.

Jordan Subban

Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
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2011-12 Belleville Bulls OHL 56 5 15 20 31 5 0 0 0 4
2012-13 Belleville Bulls OHL 68 15 36 51 47



PK Subban
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
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2005-06 Belleville Bulls OHL 52 5 7 12 70 3 0 0 0 2
2006-07 Belleville Bulls OHL 68 15 41 56 89 15 5 8 13 26
PK was 6'0" and 200lbs when he came out, so Jordan is much smaller.

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Craig Button just released his April Edition Top 75 Ranks
http://www.tsn.ca/draftcentre/feature/?id=49649

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1. Seth Jones (1)
2. Jonathan Drouin (2)
3. Nathan MacKinnon (3)
4. Aleksander Barkov (4)
5. Valeri Nichushkin (5)
6. Darnell Nurse (6)
7. Sean Monahan (7)
8. Elias Lindholm (8)
9. Zachary Fucale (10)
10. Max Domi (11)
11. Nikita Zadorov (9)
12. Hunter Shinkaruk (12)
Number in (x) is where they were last ranked in March

Some notables not listed above:

Horvat - 19
Pulock - 25
Lazar - 28
Subban - 35

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To those suggesting Nurse might be a good pick with our 1st rounder, what's the appeal? In the times I've watched him I wasn't overly impressed with his game. He seemed pretty good in his own end (I liked his physicality, he's certainly a man among boys), but his offensive game left me with a lot to be desired. Has his offensive game really improved that much as the year has gone on? Just curious because I watched him earlier in the year and haven't seen him recently.
As far as who we should be targeting with Minnesota's 1st rounder I have no interest in drafting Fucale, I'd rather we look at Dickeson, Morrisey, Horvat or hopefully if he slips Erne. I also have no interest in Rychel in the games I've watched him play he's been nearly invisible in most of them.

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You think Burakovsky would fall into our hands?
I disagree with my own post as he after have looked a little bit further seem very immature and are having a disagreement with his motherclub about him not having ice-time last year.

But, the GM Patrik Sylvegård aka Sly had brought in a PP-specialist and a guy who develops youths and said he would get some decent ice-time this year, if he makes the most of it (have to remember it is still a open league and the team can't just bottom out).

So that wasn't apparently okay for him and his agent and they chosed to turn down the contract-offer (which was given a deadline) with some explanation about him not trusting the team (who he had play for in his entire hockey career) and was not given the ice-time he wanted.

He as a 18-year old demands icetime on a hockeyteam full of men coming of a 11 points season in 43 games. And watching some interviews of him he seem to have his head among the stars and already seem to think that the NHL-contract is settled just because of his projection.

If i'm truthful he will be one of the busts of the first round 2013 draft. I hope i'm wrong but i don't believe i'm.

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I'd think about Rychel there. Maybe someone like Lehkonen who's small but high offensive potential or Morrissey just as BPA.
Rychel

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I disagree with my own post as he after have looked a little bit further seem very immature and are having a disagreement with his motherclub about him not having ice-time last year.

But, the GM Patrik Sylvegård aka Sly had brought in a PP-specialist and a guy who develops youths and said he would get some decent ice-time this year, if he makes the most of it (have to remember it is still a open league and the team can't just bottom out).

So that wasn't apparently okay for him and his agent and they chosed to turn down the contract-offer (which was given a deadline) with some explanation about him not trusting the team (who he had play for in his entire hockey career) and was not given the ice-time he wanted.

He as a 18-year old demands icetime on a hockeyteam full of men coming of a 11 points season in 43 games. And watching some interviews of him he seem to have his head among the stars and already seem to think that the NHL-contract is settled just because of his projection.

If i'm truthful he will be one of the busts of the first round 2013 draft. I hope i'm wrong but i don't believe i'm.
for some reason, when i read this, i read "ice time" as "ice cream"

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Subban in the 2nd would be a steal, especially since he's following a similar trajectory to P.K

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If i'm truthful he will be one of the busts of the first round 2013 draft. I hope i'm wrong but i don't believe i'm.
Based on what I have read and his numbers, he never seemed like a first rounder to begin with.

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I don't think so. Fucale sounds like he's going to be a good one, but goaltenders are too...uncertain. If we really want a goaltender, I'd prefer getting the second- or third-best one with a 2nd rounder.
He's a very polished prospect though and I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him go in the first half of the first round if a team loves him.

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Based on what I have read and his numbers, he never seemed like a first rounder to begin with.
He was very much a first rounder coming into the year.
He played up a year with the 94 team starting with the 2011 Hlinka and stayed with the team all year and fit in well.

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He's a very polished prospect though and I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him go in the first half of the first round if a team loves him.

He was very much a first rounder coming into the year.
He played up a year with the 94 team starting with the 2011 Hlinka and stayed with the team all year and fit in well.
You'd take Fucale with the MIN pick? Or no goalies in first if you're the GM?

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You'd take Fucale with the MIN pick? Or no goalies in first if you're the GM?
What about Eric Comrie with one of our seconds?

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You'd take Fucale with the MIN pick? Or no goalies in first if you're the GM?
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What about Eric Comrie with one of our seconds?
There's a small chance Fucale could slip to our early 2nd, but I doubt it. I wouldn't be opposed to it, but wouldn't necessarily love it. We have more pressing needs, and any goalie taken now would not be helping us out for at least another 4 or 5 years. Goalies take as long, if not longer than D-men to grow, but you want to bring them in slowly, not rushed like DiPietro was.

Comrie and Jarry are possible 2nd round picks. Both are pretty good goalies, and you really won't go wrong picking either. Spencer Martin is also a decent prospect that could goo late 2nd early 3rd.

However the goalie prospect I really like is Marcus Hogberg from Sweden. He's the #3 International Goalie prospect and most projections have him going around 4th-5th Round. He's 6'4" just a big, calm, mechanically sound butterfly goalie. Just as Ullmark was a nice find, Hogberg could be this year's find.


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One idea that I've been playing with recently is trading our two second-round picks to get a third bite at the first-round apple. It would obviously be late 1st, but try to and up with one skill forward, one two-way forward, and one defenseman. For example, Monahan, Domi, Mueller. Or Nurse, Lazar, Rychel.

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One idea that I've been playing with recently is trading our two second-round picks to get a third bite at the first-round apple. It would obviously be late 1st, but try to and up with one skill forward, one two-way forward, and one defenseman. For example, Monahan, Domi, Mueller. Or Nurse, Lazar, Rychel.
I would much rather picks 40 and 50 then 27ish, just my opinion.

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You'd take Fucale with the MIN pick? Or no goalies in first if you're the GM?
It depends on a lot of factors: who else is there, who was taken with our own pick, and what Hackett is (don't have a great idea just yet and am going to have to go back and watch him play some games at some point).

He's pretty much exactly what you look for in a top tier goalie prospect though.
He's technically refined and is a very good first stop goaltender, plus he has the athletic ability to make spectacular second and third stops.
His mental ability also seems to be very high, whether it's the fact that he's already a workhorse (to the tune of 140+ total games played in the last two seasons) to his ability to keep even when faced with adversity.

I had him in the top ten in pre-season and he's only been knocked down a few spots in my mind, not due to his own performance, but due to skaters emerging.

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What about Eric Comrie with one of our seconds?
He has a bum hip, so teams will have to look into that before spending a 2nd on him.

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Would Laurent Dauphin be worth the minny pick depending on where it is?

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One idea that I've been playing with recently is trading our two second-round picks to get a third bite at the first-round apple. It would obviously be late 1st, but try to and up with one skill forward, one two-way forward, and one defenseman. For example, Monahan, Domi, Mueller. Or Nurse, Lazar, Rychel.
Or after acquiring that 3rd 1st round pick... take the 2 later firsts and turn it into a 10-14 pick.

So depending on where our 1st ends up we'd have something around 8ish and 10-14ish 1st round picks.

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Or after acquiring that 3rd 1st round pick... take the 2 later firsts and turn it into a 10-14 pick.

So depending on where our 1st ends up we'd have something around 8ish and 10-14ish 1st round picks.
Chances are you're not going to be able to flip the 2 2nds for a late 1st until it's on the clock. The team with the late 1st won't trade down before seeing what the board looks like at their pick. So you're not going to be able to package it with the Minny 1st to move up because those picks will already have been made.

If you were gonna move up, you'd just package the 1st and the 2 2nds together (which gives the same end result) in the same deal.

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Would Laurent Dauphin be worth the minny pick depending on where it is?
I really like his combination of skill and competitiveness; a bit of a Drouin-lite maybe.
He needs to get a lot bigger and stronger, as he's a beanpole right now, but could end up blossoming if he's capable of putting on that muscle.

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Chances are you're not going to be able to flip the 2 2nds for a late 1st until it's on the clock. The team with the late 1st won't trade down before seeing what the board looks like at their pick. So you're not going to be able to package it with the Minny 1st to move up because those picks will already have been made.

If you were gonna move up, you'd just package the 1st and the 2 2nds together (which gives the same end result) in the same deal.

True.

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Or after acquiring that 3rd 1st round pick... take the 2 later firsts and turn it into a 10-14 pick.

So depending on where our 1st ends up we'd have something around 8ish and 10-14ish 1st round picks.

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Chances are you're not going to be able to flip the 2 2nds for a late 1st until it's on the clock. The team with the late 1st won't trade down before seeing what the board looks like at their pick. So you're not going to be able to package it with the Minny 1st to move up because those picks will already have been made.
http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1399747

That's a thread I put up this morning about the cost of moving up in the draft. And how it's not very likely that a team trades out of the top 10

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