HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > New York Rangers
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

All Encompassing Tortorella..ella..ella..eh..eh...and Glen Cigar Thread Part III

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
04-09-2013, 02:34 PM
  #51
Bob Richards
Mr. Mojo Risin'
 
Bob Richards's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Jersey
Country: United States
Posts: 45,896
vCash: 50
This is the best thread title ever.

__________________
"New day, new hope. Richards Buyout 2014". -Ail
Bob Richards is online now  
Old
04-09-2013, 02:40 PM
  #52
JeffMangum
not sure if HF or FB
 
JeffMangum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Listening to music
Country: United States
Posts: 56,156
vCash: 300
I don't think Torts was the reason we lost last night, unless he was telling his players NOT to go to the net, which I highly doubt.

Del Zotto made some unforced, sloppy plays. Girardi made some unforced, sloppy plays. Boyle made some unforced, sloppy plays. You see where I'm going with this?

Last night was just a collective brain fart of a game. Simple mistakes led to goals against.

__________________

#TannerGlass2014
SEEN YOUR VIDEO!
#SheWentToHarvard
JeffMangum is offline  
Old
04-09-2013, 02:41 PM
  #53
Brian Boyle
portnor, pls
 
Brian Boyle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Victoria, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 15,001
vCash: 659
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zenith View Post
Del Zotto made some unforced, sloppy plays. Girardi made some unforced, sloppy plays. Boyle made some unforced, sloppy plays. You see where I'm going with this?
No, keep going.

__________________


Rangers Unlimited
Hockey Graphs
Brian Boyle is online now  
Old
04-09-2013, 02:44 PM
  #54
Zamboner
Your move, creep.
 
Zamboner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: NY
Country: United States
Posts: 1,649
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kershaw View Post
We are in the worst possible state of the franchise. Too mediocre to be contenders, not bad enough to get high picks. Perpetual mediocrity..
I call this state "fake contention." That's where I think we're at. Maybe we'll make the playoffs. Maybe we won't. It won't really matter either way. Dolan will get himself two or three extra games of revenue as the two moron Bostonian's and the cigar man buy themselves another year.

Zamboner is offline  
Old
04-09-2013, 02:46 PM
  #55
Bleed Ranger Blue
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 14,811
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kershaw View Post
This.

We are in the worst possible state of the franchise. Too mediocre to be contenders, not bad enough to get high picks. Perpetual mediocrity. Torts has 2 good coaching seasons, that's it.
Yea, its like, way worse than the late 90's/early 2000's.

Bleed Ranger Blue is offline  
Old
04-09-2013, 02:50 PM
  #56
Kershaw
 
Kershaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Country:
Posts: 25,519
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleed Ranger Blue View Post
Yea, its like, way worse than the late 90's/early 2000's.
Ah yes, so we set our standards to that low of a level? We are a freaking original 6 franchise that generates the 2nd most revenue league wide. We have the best market to attract FAs. We have the resources to get a top notch scouting staff. There should be no excuses. A team in New York should be cup contenders year in, year out. Perhaps my expectations are too high because of the Yankees and Giants.

Kershaw is offline  
Old
04-09-2013, 02:55 PM
  #57
Bleed Ranger Blue
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 14,811
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kershaw View Post
Ah yes, so we set our standards to that low of a level? We are a freaking original 6 franchise that generates the 2nd most revenue league wide. We have the best market to attract FAs. We have the resources to get a top notch scouting staff. There should be no excuses. A team in New York should be cup contenders year in, year out. Perhaps my expectations are too high because of the Yankees and Giants.
I didnt say a word about being happy about this season. Just calling you out on your BS and letting you know it could be worse, and it has been worse.

Bleed Ranger Blue is offline  
Old
04-09-2013, 02:58 PM
  #58
Kershaw
 
Kershaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Country:
Posts: 25,519
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleed Ranger Blue View Post
I didnt say a word about being happy about this season. Just calling you out on your BS and letting you know it could be worse, and it has been worse.
I don't really care about that long ago. I was just getting into hockey at that point. It shouldn't matter what happened in the past anyways.

Kershaw is offline  
Old
04-09-2013, 03:00 PM
  #59
Bleed Ranger Blue
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 14,811
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kershaw View Post
I don't really care about that long ago. I was just getting into hockey at that point. It shouldn't matter what happened in the past anyways.
Well, you should be aware of the past when you make outlandish comments like this is the worst position a franchise can be.

Imagine this with worse coaching (OMG can you believe that?!), no solid young players like Stepan, and no Lundqvist. A lot of us lived through that.

Bleed Ranger Blue is offline  
Old
04-09-2013, 03:01 PM
  #60
Brian Boyle
portnor, pls
 
Brian Boyle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Victoria, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 15,001
vCash: 659
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kershaw View Post
I don't really care about that long ago. I was just getting into hockey at that point. It shouldn't matter what happened in the past anyways.
So when you said the worst point in the franchise, it was more like the past 4 years?

Our pets' heads aren't falling off yet.

Brian Boyle is online now  
Old
04-09-2013, 03:11 PM
  #61
Richter Scale
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 899
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bleed Ranger Blue View Post
Well, you should be aware of the past when you make outlandish comments like this is the worst position a franchise can be.

Imagine this with worse coaching (OMG can you believe that?!), no solid young players like Stepan, and no Lundqvist. A lot of us lived through that.
Do not remind me.

Richter Scale is offline  
Old
04-09-2013, 03:15 PM
  #62
Krams
Scalloped Potatoes
 
Krams's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Selkirk, NY
Country: Papua New Guinea
Posts: 3,589
vCash: 400
I don't think Kershaw meant to insinuate that this is the worst state the Rangers have ever been in. Rather, the spot this team has put itself in is not conducive to much other than disappointment. Nothing much to look forward to. No high draft picks, but no real contention, either.

It's the worst spot that ANY franchise can be in at any given time.

That being said, the team has plenty to build around. Nash and Stepan are going to be Rangers for a long time to come. So are McDonagh and MDZ (hopefully Staal). Best goaltender in the world. The pieces are there.

Krams is online now  
Old
04-09-2013, 03:17 PM
  #63
Brian Boyle
portnor, pls
 
Brian Boyle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Victoria, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 15,001
vCash: 659
Quote:
Originally Posted by SFW View Post
I don't think Kershaw meant to insinuate that this is the worst state the Rangers have ever been in. Rather, the spot this team has put itself in is not conducive to much other than disappointment. Nothing much to look forward to. No high draft picks, but no real contention, either.
And he wouldn't say that if he experienced the 2000 team.

Brian Boyle is online now  
Old
04-09-2013, 03:21 PM
  #64
Ryan McDonut
McD for Captain
 
Ryan McDonut's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: New York
Country: United States
Posts: 3,626
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zenith View Post
I don't think Torts was the reason we lost last night, unless he was telling his players NOT to go to the net, which I highly doubt.

Del Zotto made some unforced, sloppy plays. Girardi made some unforced, sloppy plays. Boyle made some unforced, sloppy plays. You see where I'm going with this?

Last night was just a collective brain fart of a game. Simple mistakes led to goals against.
i mean yeah im sure he doesn't say not to go to the net, but he should be telling them TO go to net, don't you think? having all 3 guys below the goal line, what kind of strategy is that?

and DZ was in "del zaster" mode last night, i dont really put much of the blame on torts. he should have cut his ice time down though or split up him and girardi, their pairing was really bad.

Ryan McDonut is offline  
Old
04-09-2013, 03:24 PM
  #65
JeffMangum
not sure if HF or FB
 
JeffMangum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Listening to music
Country: United States
Posts: 56,156
vCash: 300
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan McDonut View Post
i mean yeah im sure he doesn't say not to go to the net, but he should be telling them TO go to net, don't you think? having all 3 guys below the goal line, what kind of strategy is that?
I would be surprised if he isn't telling the players to go to the net. I mean, I'm not a fan of Torts, but I don't expect that level of incompetency from him. If he really is telling his players to just stay to the perimeter, than this team won't be winning a damn thing if he's coach. I'd hope management would realize that if that's truly the situation.

JeffMangum is offline  
Old
04-09-2013, 03:26 PM
  #66
Krams
Scalloped Potatoes
 
Krams's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Selkirk, NY
Country: Papua New Guinea
Posts: 3,589
vCash: 400
Quote:
Originally Posted by -31- View Post
And he wouldn't say that if he experienced the 2000 team.
You're making his argument relative to the Rangers when it isn't. For any given franchise at any given time, being caught in limbo between rebuilding and competing to the point where you can't do much of either is a terrible position to be in.

Krams is online now  
Old
04-09-2013, 03:26 PM
  #67
Kershaw
 
Kershaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Country:
Posts: 25,519
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by SFW View Post
I don't think Kershaw meant to insinuate that this is the worst state the Rangers have ever been in. Rather, the spot this team has put itself in is not conducive to much other than disappointment. Nothing much to look forward to. No high draft picks, but no real contention, either.

It's the worst spot that ANY franchise can be in at any given time.

That being said, the team has plenty to build around. Nash and Stepan are going to be Rangers for a long time to come. So are McDonagh and MDZ (hopefully Staal). Best goaltender in the world. The pieces are there.
This exactly.

Kershaw is offline  
Old
04-09-2013, 03:29 PM
  #68
haveandare
Registered User
 
haveandare's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: New York
Country: United States
Posts: 5,844
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kershaw View Post
Ah yes, so we set our standards to that low of a level? We are a freaking original 6 franchise that generates the 2nd most revenue league wide. We have the best market to attract FAs. We have the resources to get a top notch scouting staff. There should be no excuses. A team in New York should be cup contenders year in, year out. Perhaps my expectations are too high because of the Yankees and Giants.
The team uses the FA advantage and people whine incessantly about how they're not building from the draft.

As for "top notch coaching staff," say what you will about him now, but Torts has one of the most impressive resumes among current head coaches - a cup, a Jack Adams, 50 win season, most wins from an american coach and oh yeah, coached this team to it's best season in years. People complain about him a lot, but seriously, who is this "top notch" coach that's out there just waiting to be snatched up?

Lastly, there are more teams that should have "no excuses" than there are spots that people consider a success. Let's say making the conference finals is a success - that means 4 teams have successful seasons. There are more than 4 teams that have a handful of advantages and "no excuses" to not make it to that point. They lose. Other teams win. If the sport were so predictable that any team that seems like they have some advantages over others could waltz into a successful season, what would even be the point?

haveandare is offline  
Old
04-09-2013, 03:37 PM
  #69
Jersey Girl
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 3,911
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by haveandare View Post
The team uses the FA advantage and people whine incessantly about how they're not building from the draft.

As for "top notch coaching staff," say what you will about him now, but Torts has one of the most impressive resumes among current head coaches - a cup, a Jack Adams, 50 win season, most wins from an american coach and oh yeah, coached this team to it's best season in years. People complain about him a lot, but seriously, who is this "top notch" coach that's out there just waiting to be snatched up?

Lastly, there are more teams that should have "no excuses" than there are spots that people consider a success. Let's say making the conference finals is a success - that means 4 teams have successful seasons. There are more than 4 teams that have a handful of advantages and "no excuses" to not make it to that point. They lose. Other teams win. If the sport were so predictable that any team that seems like they have some advantages over others could waltz into a successful season, what would even be the point?
Very well put.

There is also a hard salary cap (VERY hard in the NHL compared to other leagues) that mitigates against a lot of the advantages we could have.

Jersey Girl is offline  
Old
04-09-2013, 03:44 PM
  #70
JeffMangum
not sure if HF or FB
 
JeffMangum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Listening to music
Country: United States
Posts: 56,156
vCash: 300
Free agency is only an asset if your management team is competent in evaluating talent and projecting the future of the player they're signing. This management team (well, Sather) has proven they're incapable of doing either of those things.

Hopefully Gorton and Schoenfeld can help fix this problem.

JeffMangum is offline  
Old
04-09-2013, 03:47 PM
  #71
Krams
Scalloped Potatoes
 
Krams's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Selkirk, NY
Country: Papua New Guinea
Posts: 3,589
vCash: 400
Gorton should just handle the free agency market. Let Sather work with the trades and re-signing RFAs.

Krams is online now  
Old
04-09-2013, 03:49 PM
  #72
JeffMangum
not sure if HF or FB
 
JeffMangum's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Listening to music
Country: United States
Posts: 56,156
vCash: 300
Quote:
Originally Posted by SFW View Post
Gorton should just handle the free agency market. Let Sather work with the trades and re-signing RFAs.
Frankly, I won't feel confident in this organization making the right decisions as long as Sather occupies the GM position. Even if he's only handling trades and RFAs.

That's just me, though.

JeffMangum is offline  
Old
04-09-2013, 03:52 PM
  #73
Bluenote13
Believe In Henke
 
Bluenote13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: BKLYN, NYC
Posts: 23,652
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Zenith View Post
Frankly, I won't feel confident in this organization making the right decisions as long as Sather occupies the GM position. Even if he's only handling trades and RFAs.

That's just me, though.
It's not just you

Bluenote13 is offline  
Old
04-09-2013, 03:54 PM
  #74
NYR Viper
Moderator
 
NYR Viper's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2007
Location: PA
Country: United States
Posts: 28,300
vCash: 500
What serious problems have there been with UFA Signings? Gomez? Traded. Redden? Bought-out and did not hurt the team. Drury? Bought out at a negligible cap hit. Richards? He can be bought out. Gaborik? Traded for good young pieces. Voros? Traded for Eminger. Brashear? Buried and then traded.

NYR Viper is offline  
Old
04-09-2013, 03:59 PM
  #75
Bleed Ranger Blue
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 14,811
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by NYR Boyler87 View Post
What serious problems have there been with UFA Signings? Gomez? Traded. Redden? Bought-out and did not hurt the team. Drury? Bought out at a negligible cap hit. Richards? He can be bought out. Gaborik? Traded for good young pieces. Voros? Traded for Eminger. Brashear? Buried and then traded.
Cmon Boyler? Just because Sather has an out clause with the signings means they didnt do damage to this team over the past several years?

I could list a whole litany of reason on how these UFA agent signings hurt the team, but the top 2 are:

1. these players were signed to perform roles they were simply incapable of filling.
2. Paying some of these players to go away takes resources away from other important areas, namely scouting

How in the hell can you defend what amount to some of the worst UFA signings in the history of the NHL?


Last edited by JeffMangum: 04-09-2013 at 04:04 PM. Reason: Yeah, no.
Bleed Ranger Blue is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:02 PM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2014 All Rights Reserved.