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04-09-2013, 03:42 PM
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On the flip side, what if Sacco has it out for O'Brien because he is being a selfish POS in the dressing room like Quincey was? (FTR I like O'Brien, not implying either scenario is more likely than the other)
We really don't know the inner workings of the locker room, but neither Sacco nor SOB have great track records IMO.

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04-09-2013, 03:44 PM
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We really don't know the inner workings of the locker room, but neither Sacco nor SOB have great track records IMO.
Let's just get rid of both.


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We really don't know the inner workings of the locker room, but neither Sacco nor SOB have great track records IMO.
Sacco has no leg to stand on. he's a terrible coach and can't scheme a even slightly deplorable defense.

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Sacco has no leg to stand on. he's a terrible coach and can't scheme a even slightly deplorable defense.
And SOB has a history of issues as well. I'm sure there is plenty of blame to go around this team and by no means are Sacco and SOB the only ones to blame for the crap situation this team is in.

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And SOB has a history of issues as well. I'm sure there is plenty of blame to go around this team and by no means are Sacco and SOB the only ones to blame for the crap situation this team is in.
Sacco is the coach, he sets the standard, he shoulders the blame as such.
we haven't improved one bit in any facet since he's been the coach.
that to me tells all.

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04-10-2013, 11:16 PM
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He's really starting to impress me lately. His decision making has been way better, he's been better defensively. His timing jumping into the play has been great.

I honestly was pretty down on the guy but if he keeps progressing like this we should have a good player on our hands.

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04-10-2013, 11:18 PM
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He's really starting to impress me lately. His decision making has been way better, he's been better defensively. His timing jumping into the play has been great.

I honestly was pretty down on the guy but if he keeps progressing like this we should have a good player on our hands.
He just has quicker and better decision making than enough guys to make his way onto the permanent roster from here on out.

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04-10-2013, 11:19 PM
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He's really starting to impress me lately. His decision making has been way better, he's been better defensively. His timing jumping into the play has been great.

I honestly was pretty down on the guy but if he keeps progressing like this we should have a good player on our hands.
I don't think it's a coincidence that we're noticing him more (in a more positive light) since Sacco has paired him with Hejda.

Hejda had that effect with Barrie as well, and it certainly seems, so far, that he may be having the same effect with Elliott as well.

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04-10-2013, 11:38 PM
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Yup having a stable partner in Hejda has seemed to really help. If we can pick up another steady veteran guy and shed a couple of our awful depth guys then we could have a solid partner for both of these kids.

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04-11-2013, 11:41 AM
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Glad people are starting to come around. He just needs to play regularly, in the right situations, with the right partner, and he will be just fine.

Would be nice to see him get some more PP time, though.

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04-12-2013, 12:26 AM
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Hopefully he can carry this play through the end of the season and into next year. He looks as good as he has at the NHL level, and he's even playing a little physical.

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04-12-2013, 02:10 AM
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Loved the follow-through on his play on Carter, took him to the boards and finished the hit. At first I couldn't tell who it was, he was actually playing big, I thought he was O'Brien. Also seemed to be playing much more physical in the period and a half that I saw, very encouraging last half of the game at least.

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04-12-2013, 11:58 AM
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People aren't finally coming around on Elliott. He's just playing better.

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04-12-2013, 12:04 PM
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Glad people are starting to come around. He just needs to play regularly, in the right situations, with the right partner, and he will be just fine.

Would be nice to see him get some more PP time, though.
but but.... how will we have 4 or 5 forwards on the PP if Elliott is on it???

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04-12-2013, 12:19 PM
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His defensive game has obviously matured this season. Solid growth from a guy many people regarded as an abomination in his own zone. I'm looking forward to when he figures out how to play strong defensively and lead the play offensively.

We just need to be patient guys, Shattenkirk was two/three? years older than they are now when he first debuted. They have all the potential in the world though and we could be seeing a really impressive core building before our eyes.

Imagine something like...

Seth Jones - EJ
Hejda - Barrie
Siemens - Elliott

In a couple years? Toss Wilson in for Hejda possibly or something... but the idea is there.

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04-12-2013, 12:27 PM
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Shattenkirk was two years older (2007 draft). He was probably developed more patiently, finishing his college degree. I don't think either Elliott or Barrie are as smart as Shattenkirk or have the same vision and I think the best case scenario is that the gap won't be huge. Elliott particularly has had a really disruptive development course so it makes sense he'll take a bit longer to get settled in I guess.

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Shattenkirk was two years older (2007 draft). He was probably developed more patiently, finishing his college degree. I don't think either Elliott or Barrie are as smart as Shattenkirk or have the same vision and I think the best case scenario is that the gap won't be huge. Elliott particularly has had a really disruptive development course so it makes sense he'll take a bit longer to get settled in I guess.
I don't know I think Barrie's development has been a bit more disruptive. He's been bounced around more, and kept in the press box for long periods.

Elliott had that a bit at the end of last year, but he spent most of this year with the Monsters. I think that helped him work on his defensive game, and he's been showing the improvement on ice.

Much better positionally, and more physical in making body contact while defending, rather than just being passive. He still makes the occasional mistake, but they aren't nearly as frequent, or as disastrous.

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Glad people are starting to come around.
People are coming around? Or his play is coming around?

He played his best game in awhile, no doubt.

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Imagine something like...

Seth Jones - EJ
Hejda - Barrie
Siemens - Elliott

In a couple years?
Next season, that defense would get roasted defensively - Erik Johnson, an aging Hejda, and 4 defensemen playing essentially their first full NHL season? Varlamov would need therapy.

If we're talking 3-4 or so years down the road, OK, but Hejda would likely need to be replaced.

Does anyone really realistically see Siemens on the Avs next season?

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People aren't finally coming around on Elliott. He's just playing better.
I had a similar comment. And in truth, he's really only played a couple/few good games. Would like to see him do so consistently before anointing.....well, before anything.

I do give credit to clowns running this show for sitting a veteran defenseman and putting Elliott in there to get some game time.

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Elliot will be fine, they need to let him play and stop dicking him around between levels.

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Next season, that defense would get roasted defensively - Erik Johnson, an aging Hejda, and 4 defensemen playing essentially their first full NHL season? Varlamov would need therapy.

If we're talking 3-4 or so years down the road, OK, but Hejda would likely need to be replaced.

Does anyone really realistically see Siemens on the Avs next season?
anything they do on defense will be a marked improvement for this team. i can deal with young pups making silly mistakes, it's the old dogs making silly ones that are killer.

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Next season, that defense would get roasted defensively - Erik Johnson, an aging Hejda, and 4 defensemen playing essentially their first full NHL season? Varlamov would need therapy.

If we're talking 3-4 or so years down the road, OK, but Hejda would likely need to be replaced.

Does anyone really realistically see Siemens on the Avs next season?
By the end of next season or the beginning of the 14-15 I was trying to allure to with that. I could see Hejda sticking around long enough to be a part of that defense at least once, otherwise I said to throw in Wilson.

With that said, I'd sooner see that defense next season over the one we currently put out. Siemens couldn't be any worse than Zanon. And if Siemens is our biggest ?? in that grouping, seems obvious to me it's a marked improvement.

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Next season, that defense would get roasted defensively - Erik Johnson, an aging Hejda, and 4 defensemen playing essentially their first full NHL season? Varlamov would need therapy.

If we're talking 3-4 or so years down the road, OK, but Hejda would likely need to be replaced.

Does anyone really realistically see Siemens on the Avs next season?
I'd argue that Barrie is ahead of the meatbags defensively and based of what I have seen of Elliott lately, he's stacks up favorably too.

It's not a defense that's based on blocking and clogging the lanes but more on puck retrieval and getting the puck out of the zone quickly, but nonetheless as efficient as the meatbag type of defense.

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Shattenkirk was two years older (2007 draft). He was probably developed more patiently, finishing his college degree. I don't think either Elliott or Barrie are as smart as Shattenkirk or have the same vision and I think the best case scenario is that the gap won't be huge. Elliott particularly has had a really disruptive development course so it makes sense he'll take a bit longer to get settled in I guess.
Uh... Are you talking academically? Because history shows that actually Elliott and Barrie should have even more potential offensively than Kirk. Especially Elliott...

Development differences make sense... because of age, patience, maturity, and what not. But stating that Kirk is smarter or has more vision hockey wise is putting the cart before the horse in predicting what Barrie and Elliott are capable of IMO.

Elliott has the frame to be a 6 foot plus offensive defender, especially if he can beef up a bit. Both Barrie and Elliott are younger and are being judged at younger ages with less time to mature. Which takes some patience IMO.

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