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04-08-2013, 02:00 PM
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Am I missing something here? Didn't we select Brady Skjei with our 1st rounder last year? Or are you implying that there was a much better option still on board and that's how we "missed out"?
He's unknown, he's not a strength, he's not a weakness, he's an unknown. And thats not an opinion, just where he is in the developmental stages of his career.

Like I pointed out last week, we'll be missing out on 4 of our next 6 top draft picks. It's going to be interesting to see what slats can do to get more picks. Or trade more of them.

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Well, Stefan Matteau was picked by the Devils. Could we have better used him rather than Skjei long-term? Who knows. 2012 draft picks are too early to judge, bar the top5 picks.

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I've already shown in this thread why this is a weak argument. Voracek isn't the only former BJ first round pick to be traded or to go to another team. They all did, but of the rest, none of them turned their careers around. Klesla, Zherdev, Filatov, Picard, Brule, Leclaire. Did any of them leave Columbus and improve? They either remained the players they were or they are out of the league.

Voracek wasn't bad for the Blue Jackets. His Corsi numbers were actually quite impressive. Furthermore, he's not 25. He's 23. He was the centerpiece of that deal for Carter, and the Flyers didn't trade Carter because he wasn't playing well. They traded him for a "culture change."

Also, if Brassard isn't the player you envision him becoming, how much are we really going to get back for him, at a point when it would seem like it wasn't just Columbus that was the problem with him?

The only times the Blue Jackets were able to get something significant for any of those bust picks was when they traded with the Rangers! Getting Gaborik for Brassard and Moore, and getting Tyutin for Zherdev were the only times the Blue Jackets traded any of those underachieving players for anything of value.

I just don't understand how the Rangers don't try to get a first round pick back for a guy with 2 40 goal seasons in the last 3 years, including last year. Just because he was struggling this year, in this weird, lockout season, doesn't mean his value drops so much. I'd rather have a first round pick in a deep draft than a 25 year old career underachiever who isn't likely to get much better than what he currently is, unless you aim to convince me that most players make that big leap after 6 NHL seasons.



Constant team turnover that often features reclamation projects, tweeners, and overpaid players slotted into roles they aren't suited for.
Even is Brassard stays the exact same player he's been, that's an important upgrade at a position that NYR needed. In what universe is it better to have Boyle or Miller on the third line than Brassard? We went from a rotation of single digit centers behind Stepan and a confused Richards to a ~40 point guy backing them up. That's an improvement in and of itself. If he gets better, all the more improvement. If he stays the same, that's still fine, a big hole is filled.

Regarding the first, it's fairly obvious that the team thinks their window is now and in the next few years. That makes sense considering they have the best goalie in the world playing at his peak. A 1st will maybe help 2-3 years from now. Moore filled a hole the second he came over. Brassard filled a hole the second he came over and Dorsett will do the same. It's not like the team is short on prospects either. The whale is absolutely stacked up front and Noreau and Skjei are in the pipeline for D.

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04-08-2013, 03:35 PM
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Optimism is great isn't it?

What's not so great is comparing Brassard, saying he's a more skilled Dubinsky.

Come on now....
I agree with you that nothing in Brassard's game resembles Dubinsky's, but I'm not as eager to chop down every point that someone makes on this board. I was just having fun with someone that actually posted some optimism and excitement in this thread. These boards can be a real drain to read at times with all of the pissing contest-style arguments.

I have no issues with folks talking puck on a message board, but I prefer to keep things a little lighter when I post. But, yeah... No clue where anyone see's Dubi similarities.

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04-08-2013, 03:37 PM
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Why don't they have the talent to roll (3) scoring lines? Also, the 3rd line doesn't have to score all the time, just more than the other teams 3rd line in a 7 game series.

Hagelin-Brassard-Dorsett/Boyle

I think that's a pretty good 3rd line.
Agreed on all accounts.

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For a team in win now mode (not all-in this season, but a contender hopefully for the foreseeable future) Brassard, Dorsett, Moore > 1st round pick.

3 assets, 3 NHL players that will be under our control for at least 2 years.

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I agree with you that nothing in Brassard's game resembles Dubinsky's, but I'm not as eager to chop down every point that someone makes on this board. I was just having fun with someone that actually posted some optimism and excitement in this thread. These boards can be a real drain to read at times with all of the pissing contest-style arguments.

I have no issues with folks talking puck on a message board, but I prefer to keep things a little lighter when I post. But, yeah... No clue where anyone see's Dubi similarities.
IMO, He is comprable in play style to a guy like Guy Carbonneau

EDIT: Originally said Carbonneau, but forgot about his beastly defense.


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IMO, He is comprable in play style to a guy like Guy Carbonneau.
Yeah, his style is just like one of the best defensive forwards the modern game has seen.


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IMO, He is comprable in play style to a guy like Guy Carbonneau.
Stats-wise, maybe... I think folks tend to overlook that Carbonneau was a BEAST defensively. I would say Patrice Bergeron is more of a modern-day version of him and simply don't see that type of two-way game with Brassard.

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Yeah, his style is just like one of the best defensive forwards the modern game has seen.

You beat me to it!

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IMO, He is comprable in play style to a guy like Guy Carbonneau.
Wasn't watching hockey when Carbonneua was playing, but even I could tell you that is extremely far off.

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The only thing Brassard and Carbonneau have in common is being fabulously French-Canadian.

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You beat me to it!
See what I'm up against?

For every 'pessimistic' post there are 30 fluff posts about players/team/management, that are usually viewed through Ranger fan glasses or just plain overboard like the comparison we had here.

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Well so far so good. I think this kid is a solid addition to the current roster.

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The only thing Brassard and Carbonneau have in common is being fabulously French-Canadian.
that is like saying Malkin was being compared to Petr Nedved because they were both 2ed overall picks and both talk lanky centers or as Joe would always say long and rangy LMAO

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I think next year is our big year. We have at least 2 players that should come up and make somewhat of an impact. Even if that impact is only pushing Brian Boyle down a line, that still allows us to run with pretty much 3 scoring lines now thanks to the addition Brassard versus the 2 and half we have now.

Out of Kreider, Miller, Fasth, Lindberg, Hrivik and to a lesser extent Thomas, I think at least two will be ready. Probably more. Will there be growing pains? Yes, but we'll have to live with it. It's an 82 game season next year which might actually work to our advantage.


Edit: Who the ****** am I kidding. We have a better chance of rolling with a 4th line of Kreider Miller and Thomas than Boyle being demoted to the 4th.


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A few points...

1. Just because Columbus hasn't had a team forever, doesn't make their fanbase a bunch of uneducated newbies. I wouldn't be surprised if the average age of the CBJ posters on this board is closer to 40 than 25. Most would have been Penguins or Wings fans before the CBJ arrived on the scene.

2. One point that I was trying to get across (and apparently didn't do very well) was trying to make the distinction between instinctive versus intellectual hockey. I think the main problem, between Hitch and Brass, was that Hitch thinks the game in a very intellectual way. The impression was that Brass just didn't "get" what Hitch was saying. Since Brass can play a very good instinctual game, if you try to overlay a heavily intellectual game over that, he loses the instinctual game and starts to hesitate just that split second too long.

3. Another impression I have is that Torts can be a bit of a yell-er and people end up in his doghouse. I think many CBJ fans are concerned (for Brass) that he could end up on that side of Torts and his confidence will be completely blown.

4. Voracek. The impression I have about Voracek is that he is a very happy-go-lucky type personality. He told stories about his dad getting the cops called on the family (in the Czech Republic) because they were blasting American music way too loud at all hours. The rumors in Columbus were that Mike Commodore (a vet who should have known better) was leading his two (unofficial) charges astray. Those players being Brass and Jake. Not during the playoff season, but the next one. There was a reason why Commodore was sent down (and kept away from the AHL team) and subsequently bought out. Jake had also said in interviews that his home-town (literally) hero was Jagr. It was (more likely than not) a dream come true scenario for Voracek in Philadelphia to be playing with his childhood hero. Jake just needed a good mentor, and he got one.

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See what I'm up against?

For every 'pessimistic' post there are 30 fluff posts about players/team/management, that are usually viewed through Ranger fan glasses or just plain overboard like the comparison we had here.
What? If anything, I would say it's pretty evenly split. I mean, play that card all you want, but I would be willing to bet that there are an equal amount of pessimists and optimists on this board.

Or maybe you just miss all of the FIRE TORTS, TORTS IS KILLING US ALL, TORTS ATE MY CAKE posts that go on here. There are quite a few people who would rather parade the negative than anything positive, man. Frankly, both sides can be pretty grating.

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What? If anything, I would say it's pretty evenly split. I mean, play that card all you want, but I would be willing to bet that there are an equal amount of pessimists and optimists on this board.
Your right jon.

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I agree with you that nothing in Brassard's game resembles Dubinsky's, but I'm not as eager to chop down every point that someone makes on this board. I was just having fun with someone that actually posted some optimism and excitement in this thread. These boards can be a real drain to read at times with all of the pissing contest-style arguments.

I have no issues with folks talking puck on a message board, but I prefer to keep things a little lighter when I post. But, yeah... No clue where anyone see's Dubi similarities.
Ya Dubi is a more effective hockey player who we miss along with the other handful of ****ing forwards we gave away this last year. Last night was pathetic leafs should have killed this disjointed, weak looking team. Nothing but Nash and Stepan look good on this team.


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Ya Dubi is a more effective hockey player who we miss along with the other handful of ****ing forwards we gave away this last year. Last night was pathetic leafs should have killed this disjointed, weak looking team. Nothing but Nash and Stepan look good on this team.


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Ya Dubi is a more effective hockey player who we miss along with the other handful of ****ing forwards we gave away this last year. Last night was pathetic leafs should have killed this disjointed, weak looking team. Nothing but Nash and Stepan look good on this team.
Dubi is a better player than Brassard, but you gotta give to get, and he was the guy that made the most sense to move relative to value in the Nash deal. So was Anisimov, who I think is a bigger loss. I was against the Nash trade because of salary cap reasons, but you can't deny he's a very good player. Much better than those guys.

Would have been happier with the Gaborik deal if the Rangers had gotten Artie back in the deal instead of Brassard, though. I think he tops out as a better, more consistent, and defensively stronger Antropov-style player.

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Brassard had probably his worst game last night, but so far I'm happy with his overall effectiveness. He's solid defensively when he's not scoring, that's a plus.

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I miss Anisimov the most. He was a very responsible forward in the defensive zone, had silky hands, and a laser. I can see where Sting sees the resemblance to Antropov, liked both players.

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I miss Anisimov the most. He was a very responsible forward in the defensive zone, had silky hands, and a laser. I can see where Sting sees the resemblance to Antropov, liked both players.
I'm actually not a big fan of Antropov, even though they are similar, because the effort isn't there as often, he's not as good a defender, and he's not that efficient offensively. Neither is Artie . . . yet. I think he'll give you 50-55 points in his prime (which should be longer than big Nik's was), and play excellent defense.

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I'm actually not a big fan of Antropov, even though they are similar, because the effort isn't there as often, he's not as good a defender, and he's not that efficient offensively. Neither is Artie . . . yet. I think he'll give you 50-55 points in his prime (which should be longer than big Nik's was), and play excellent defense.
I don't think Anisimov's career will last as long as you seem to think. He takes monstrous hits almost routinely.

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